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how long will his sentence be for the first 37 counts nyny rump today by ray b
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my bet 6 to 18 months on 15 of 37 counts
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Four years, to begin January 20th.

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Odds of any conviction surviving appeals: 0.0%
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By law, ALL former presidents receive 24/7/365 Secret Service armed protection.

There is NO provision in law that eliminates or stays that protection if a former president is jailed and the current judge has no jurisdiction to change that.

I agree with others here that the likelihood of Trump being jailed is less than zero, but the logistics of SS protection, and a number of other special considerations, is amusing to ponder.

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Odds of any conviction surviving appeals: 0.0%


In this wonky farce, if convicted, he will get an immediate pardon so he can not appeal and showcase this farce.
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In this wonky farce, if convicted, he will get an immediate pardon so he can not appeal and showcase this farce.

You know, that is evil, but it may well be the truth.

However, the Constitution (as always) has the answer. His sentence is clearly spelled out in Article 2, section 1, clause 8.
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I don't know if he even gets convicted on this one. If so there is a good chance it is just a misdemeanor.

Even if he does it will not move the needle with the voters. Extramarital affairs don't matter to voters and everyone understands why he would try to hide it.

The Georgia and Florida cases are much different. Those have to do with actual governmental issues and much worse crimes.

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Odds of any conviction surviving appeals: 0.0%



What would be grounds for the appeal?

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I don't know if he even gets convicted on this one. If so there is a good chance it is just a misdemeanor.




Well, this shows what kind of legal expert I would make.

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Originally posted by randye:

By law, ALL former presidents receive 24/7/365 Secret Service armed protection.

There is NO provision in law that eliminates or stays that protection if a former president is jailed and the current judge has no jurisdiction to change that.

I agree with others here that the likelihood of Trump being jailed is less than zero, but the logistics of SS protection, and a number of other special considerations, is amusing to ponder.



SUCKS TO BE HIS ss GUY'S
8 HOURS IN THEN THEY GET TO GO HOME
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SUCKS TO BE HIS ss GUY'S
8 HOURS IN THEN THEY GET TO GO HOME





Stupid and hateful isn't a good way for you to go through life.

We have at least one prison guard on this forum. WTF do think he and all his fellow officers do?

OH, that's right they get to go home at the end of their shift at the prison. You had to stay in your cell.

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Stupid and hateful isn't a good way for you to go through life.

We have at least one prison guard on this forum. WTF do think he and all his fellow officers do?

OH, that's right they get to go home at the end of their shift at the prison. You had to stay in your cell.



WHY DO YOU GET TO JUST LIKE THE RUMP

get to make up BS about others ?


btw the guy who seeks a prison job made a decision
the SS guy did NOT pick a prison job


you picked the john birch paranoid view
I do not think it is a good way to live

again facts are true
myths are not

your leader of the cult is now a convicted felon 32 times
the Gop is so proud
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Listen real close...

hear that sound?

You will.
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Listen real close...

hear that sound?

You will.



Yep. Republicans bawling their eyes out.

"Boo-hoo. Its not fair. Only Republicans are allowed to chant about "locking up" their political opponents. When Democrats do it is evil and wrong and a threat to democracy.".

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This seems like a good place to drop this article ....

https://www.realclearpoliti...emocracy_151024.html

There is a very interesting portion within the article that compares the governing styles of the previous and the current administrations.

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well the rump cult took berlin to heart FIRST ^

BUT LOST THE ATTEMPT TO TAKEN NEW YORK
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Since the verdict, American patriots have donated over $34 million dollars. They actually broke the servers.
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Just wait 'till you see the polls over the next few days.
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Originally posted by olejoedad:

This seems like a good place to drop this article ....

https://www.realclearpoliti...emocracy_151024.html

There is a very interesting portion within the article that compares the governing styles of the previous and the current administrations.



Let's take the little test

Which candidate is more likely to:

Deploy the criminal justice system to punish his enemies?

THE CANDIDATE WHO HAD CHANTS AT EVERY CAMPAIGN RALLY CALLING FOR THE IMPRISONMENT OF HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT.

Censor speech he does not like?

THE CANDIDATE WHO ADMITTED ON TAPE THAT HE LIED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT THE DANGERS OF THE PANDEMIC IN ORDER TO HIDE THE TRUTH.
THE CANDIDATE WHO WITHDREW FEDERAL FUNDING FROM PROGRAMS ON DIVERSITY AND CRITICAL RACE THEORY.
THE CANDIDATE WHO ALTERED A WEATHER MAP WITH A MARKER TO HIDE THE TRUTH.
THE CANDIDATE WHO PAYS PEOPLE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO HIDE THE TRUTH.
THE CANDIDATE WHO WANTS TO REMOVE PROTECTION UNDER 47 USC 230 (a) AND MAKE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THE REGULATOR OF CONTENT ON PRIVETLY OWNED SOCIAL MEDIA SERVICES
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Selectively decide which laws he wants to enforce?

THE CANDIDATE WHO DECIDED HE HAD THE AUTHORITY TO RE-WRITE ALL THE RULES ON HOW A PRESIDENT IS SELECTED.
THE CANDIDATE WHO STOPPED ENFORCING A POLICY THAT PROHIBITED RELIGIOUS ORGANNIZATIONS FROM PROVIDING PUBLICALLY FUNDED SERVICES IN PRIVATE SCHOOLS.
THE CANDIDATE WHO TELLS HIS SUPPORTERS THAT HE WILL PAY THEIR LEGAL FEES IF THEY COMMIT AN ASSAULT FOR HIM.

Use the powers of government to transform the everyday lives of Americans – whether or not they support his programs?

THE CANDIDATE WHO VOWED TO REPEAL THE POPULAR ACA (OBAMACARE)

Finally, whose supporters are more likely to engage in sustained and perhaps violent dissent if their man loses – not just for a day or a week, but for four years?

THE ONLY CANDIDATE WHO HAS A HISTORY OF HIS FOLLOWERS ENGAGING IN VIOLENT DISSENT AFTER HE LOST AN ELECTION.

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Originally posted by williegoat:

Just wait 'till you see the polls over the next few days.


I don't think they will change much at all. The people who already thought it was rigged won't change their minds. And a guilty verdict does not change the minds of the people who thought it was a fair trial.

When all of these people in right wing media claim "everyone" knows something, they really just mean the people on their side. To them a guilty verdict was evidence of corruption simply because it is impossible for Trump to do anything wrong. Trump has even bragged about what blind sheep his followers are. "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters. It's like incredible!" But to the general public it takes more than a conviction of a proven con man to convince them the system is corrupt.

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The water is so shallow that when he dove in, he hit his head and damaged his thinking cap.
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Since the verdict, American patriots have donated over $34 million dollars. They actually broke the servers.

I'm sorry, I am going to have to correct this post.

The number is now up to $52,800,000.
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The water is so shallow that when he dove in, he hit his head and damaged his thinking cap.


is that how you lost reasoning ?

cults and myths are not a rational base for good governments
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"Are you talkin' to me?"

Uh, no. Not any more, Bobby Boy.

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“To maintain the focus on service of the award winners, Mr. De Niro will no longer be attending the event.”


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"Sauce for the goose..."
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I have heard reports of impromptu "Trump Flash Mobs" gathering in several cities tonight including Scottsdale, AZ.

I can't confirm this.
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Originally posted by williegoat:

I have heard reports of impromptu "Trump Flash Mobs" gathering in several cities tonight including Scottsdale, AZ.

I can't confirm this.


mobs are a sign of who the supporters are

like the rump lawless gangs trying to get over on others
like the criminal 1-6 mob now mostly jailed
the deplorable core of the support for the rump

btw the more the fool claims the courts are fixed/rigged against him
the long the sentence he is actively earning for himself
judges for good reasons hate that kind of BS
and he will pay for it
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The puppet master behind the lawfare cannot help himself.

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The puppet master behind the lawfare cannot help himself.



what ever happen to nut con love of LAW & ORDER

AND IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME
DON'T DO THE CRIME

JOE IS LOL AT STUPID

RUMP DID IT
YOU KNOW HE DID
ADMIT IT

HE WOULD NOT BE THE RUMP IF
HE DID NOT DO STUPID CHIT

LAW- FAIR is more like it
cheat and get caught
and even the rich can be jailed
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Originally posted by ray b:

what ever happen to nut con love of LAW & ORDER

Stay tuned, you just might learn something.

OK, I was just kidding. You will never learn anything.

But that question has already been answered.

Both the trial and the government are illegal.
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what ever happen to nut con love of LAW & ORDER

AND IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME
DON'T DO THE CRIME

JOE IS LOL AT STUPID

RUMP DID IT
YOU KNOW HE DID
ADMIT IT

HE WOULD NOT BE THE RUMP IF
HE DID NOT DO STUPID CHIT

LAW- FAIR is more like it
cheat and get caught
and even the rich can be jailed


Do you even know what crime was committed? Jury instructions said the jurors could decide different crimes were committed but so long as all twelve of them thought any crime happened then the judge would count it as unanimous. Is that how justice is supposed to work? Throw everything at the wall and let each juror pick and choose one to get an conviction.
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Eleven invoices, eleven checks and twelve journal entries make an honest man more dangerous than all of the violent criminals in NYC.

The question is: more dangerous to who?

And the answer: More dangerous to the Biden crime family.

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Some may not know how "The Mob" controlled the neighborhoods, or how the cartels took over Mexico.
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IT WAS NOT A SINGLE CONVICTION

COUNT WAS 34 TO ZERO

ALL COUNTS

UNDERLYING CRIME DODGING TAXES [STATE] BY CLAIMING A BRIBE WAS A REAL EXPENSE
FEDERAL TAXES ALSO BUT THAT IS AN OTHER TRIAL ON AN OTHER DAY

became a felony when done to influence an election
JOE COULD be behind a fedtax trial
but none has been filed
ny state has zip to do with by or for joe
you do get how this works ?

I guess not

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Originally posted by ray b:

IT WAS NOT A SINGLE CONVICTION

COUNT WAS 34 TO ZERO

ALL COUNTS

UNDERLYING CRIME DODGING TAXES [STATE] BY CLAIMING A BRIBE WAS A REAL EXPENSE
FEDERAL TAXES ALSO BUT THAT IS AN OTHER TRIAL ON AN OTHER DAY

JOE COULD be behind a fedtax trial
but none has been filed
ny state has zip to do with by or for joe
you do get how this works ?

I guess not

Proof that rayb is completely clueless, in his own words.
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IT WAS NOT A SINGLE CONVICTION

COUNT WAS 34 TO ZERO

ALL COUNTS

UNDERLYING CRIME DODGING TAXES [STATE] BY CLAIMING A BRIBE WAS A REAL EXPENSE
FEDERAL TAXES ALSO BUT THAT IS AN OTHER TRIAL ON AN OTHER DAY

became a felony when done to influence an election
JOE COULD be behind a fedtax trial
but none has been filed
ny state has zip to do with by or for joe
you do get how this works ?

I guess not


Rayb's quote, after editing.
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