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Democrat Calif. Senator Erupts Against Own Party Over The Sentencing Of Pedophiles In The Golden State

https://nypost.com/2024/05/...jail-sentence-fight/

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This deals with children over 16. So it technically is not dealing with sentencing "pedophiles".

And NO ONE is saying any of this behavior is "okay". Statutory Rape is still against the law in California. But it is only a misdemeanor for an 18 year old to have sex with a 16 year old. Seems kind of silly making it a felony for an 18 year old just to ask a 16 year old to have sex.

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Originally posted by BingB:

This deals with children over 16. So it technically is not dealing with sentencing "pedophiles".

And NO ONE is saying any of this behavior is "okay". Statutory Rape is still against the law in California. But it is only a misdemeanor for an 18 year old to have sex with a 16 year old. Seems kind of silly making it a felony for an 18 year old just to ask a 16 year old to have sex.



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Bill 1414 — which was authored by GOP state Sen. Shannon Grove and supported by Eggman — aims to beef up that penalty to at least two to four years in prison, as well as a sex offender registration.

Last month, some Democrats had watered down the bill to only allow the felony classification for the purchase of minors under the age of 16, KCRA reported at the time.
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Bill 1414 — which was authored by GOP state Sen. Shannon Grove and supported by Eggman — aims to beef up that penalty to at least two to four years in prison, as well as a sex offender registration.

Last month, some Democrats had watered down the bill to only allow the felony classification for the purchase of minors under the age of 16, KCRA reported at the time.


1414 bce or 1414ace
ether is out of date

as is the idea of the Gop obcession with sex and jails

you lot need to lighten up and stop putting people in jail

now the rump hang him high
that one needs jail

get out of the sex suppression biz

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Originally posted by BingB:

This deals with children over 16. So it technically is not dealing with sentencing "pedophiles".

And NO ONE is saying any of this behavior is "okay". Statutory Rape is still against the law in California. But it is only a misdemeanor for an 18 year old to have sex with a 16 year old. Seems kind of silly making it a felony for an 18 year old just to ask a 16 year old to have sex.




THIS is how Leftists "think".

THIS is an example of a Leftist's total lack of a moral compass and why they reject any notion of a God that codifies moral laws that conflict with their complete dedication to narcissistic-hedonism.

It is yet ANOTHER sick, perverted, example of how Leftists think that it's ok to exploit children for their own sexual gratification.

An 18 year old is AN ADULT.

A 16 year old isn't an adult.


Leftists gotta Leftist

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Fred and rayb are obsessed with this topic.
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Originally posted by randye:
THIS is how Leftists "think".

THIS is an example of a Leftist's total lack of a moral compass.

It is also yet ANOTHER sick, perverted, example of how Leftists think that it's ok to use children for their own sexual gratification.

An 18 year old is AN ADULT.

A 16 year old isn't an adult.


Leftists gotta Leftist


Actually the conservative right-wingers are more accepting of child sex that liberals. Only 12 states have banned underage marriages, with no exception: Delaware, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Rhode Island, New York, Massachusetts, Vermont, Connecticut, Michigan, Washington, and Virginia. Not a single red state in the bunch.

Meanwhile 9 of the 10 states with the most child marriages were red (Idaho, Arkansas, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Wyoming, Utah, Alabama, West Virginia, and Mississippi)
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Actually the conservative right-wingers are more accepting of child sex that liberals. Only 12 states have banned underage marriages, with no exception: Delaware, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Rhode Island, New York, Massachusetts, Vermont, Connecticut, Michigan, Washington, and Virginia. Not a single red state in the bunch.

Meanwhile 9 of the 10 states with the most child marriages were red (Idaho, Arkansas, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Wyoming, Utah, Alabama, West Virginia, and Mississippi)



WRONG AGAIN



Your pathetic straw man is on fire.

The actual data / proof, (that stuff you always claim to have but never do), says that you are full of crap.



"Although child marriage is not very common in the U.S., it is legal in almost every state. Nearly every state technically prohibits people younger than 18 from marrying, but each of these jurisdictions has exceptions to these laws. In at least 36 states, for example, minors can marry with judicial consent. And in 34 states, 16- and 17-year-olds can marry with their parents’ permission. Two states, Massachusetts and New Hampshire, allow 12- and 13-year-old girls respectively and 14-year-old boys to marry with parental and judicial permission. (Data on marriages among those under the age of 15 are not available from the American Community Survey.)"

https://www.pewresearch.org...his-varies-by-state/

Leftists gotta Leftist
....and lying is one of their "holy sacraments"
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10 YEAR OLD DATA THERE
WITH MORE BS THEN USUAL

WONDER IF JEFFS was counted

In 2006, Jeffs was placed on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted List for his flight from the charges that he had arranged illegal child marriages between his adult male followers and underage girls in Utah.[7] In 2007, Arizona charged him with eight additional counts in two separate cases, including incest and sexual conduct with minors.[10]

BET NO LIBS IN THAT CULT
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One thing that strikes me is that in most circumstances, it is the people on the radical fringes of a movement that cause the problems.

ray b, do you consider yourself to be on a radical fringe?

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Originally posted by randye:
The actual data / proof, (that stuff you always claim to have but never do), says that you are full of crap.



"Although child marriage is not very common in the U.S., it is legal in almost every state. Nearly every state technically prohibits people younger than 18 from marrying, but each of these jurisdictions has exceptions to these laws. In at least 36 states, for example, minors can marry with judicial consent. And in 34 states, 16- and 17-year-olds can marry with their parents’ permission. Two states, Massachusetts and New Hampshire, allow 12- and 13-year-old girls respectively and 14-year-old boys to marry with parental and judicial permission. (Data on marriages among those under the age of 15 are not available from the American Community Survey.)"

https://www.pewresearch.org...his-varies-by-state/

Leftists gotta Leftist
....and lying is one of their "holy sacraments"



Old data from 2014.

Every state I listed that has barred child marriage has done it since 2018. Delaware (2018), New Jersey (2018), Pennsylvania (2020), Minnesota (2020),Rhode Island (2021),New York (2021),Massachusetts (2022),Vermont (2023),Connecticut (2023), Michigan (2023), Washington (2024) and Virginia (2024).

Blue states stepping up to protect youth from being sexually exploited by adults. Red states sitting on their hands because they are fine with 16 year old girls getting it from older men. as long as they are married their god is fine with it.

My "actual proof" is correct while your information is wrong.

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Isn't free speech wonderful?
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Originally posted by williegoat:

Isn't free speech wonderful?



I like turtles. How about you?
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Originally posted by BingB:
Old data from 2014.

Every state I listed that has barred child marriage has done it since 2018. Delaware (2018), New Jersey (2018), Pennsylvania (2020), Minnesota (2020),Rhode Island (2021),New York (2021),Massachusetts (2022),Vermont (2023),Connecticut (2023), Michigan (2023), Washington (2024) and Virginia (2024).

My "actual proof" is correct while your information is wrong.


Data from 2014 for the year 2018, ?

Lets see the legal definitions of the laws.
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Originally posted by olejoedad:

One thing that strikes me is that in most circumstances, it is the people on the radical fringes of a movement that cause the problems.

ray b, do you consider yourself to be on a radical fringe?



DO YOU AND THE OTHER RUMP FANS WHO POST HERE ?
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I like turtles. How about you?


Do you like mud on your turtle?
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DO YOU AND THE OTHER RUMP FANS WHO POST HERE ?


No, I am very mainstream America.
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Data from 2014 for the year 2018, ?



I am glad you understand. It is indeed crazy to post information on a topic from 2014 when so many states have changed their laws since then.
 
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Lets see the legal definitions of the laws.


Most states allow a person under the age of 18 get married under certain circumstances. Generally one of these:

-consent of a court clerk or judge (sometimes the consent of a superior court judge, rather than a local judge, is required)
-consent of the parents or legal guardians of the minor
-if one of the parties is pregnant, or if the minor has given birth to a child
-if the minor is emancipated.

The states who have changed their laws do not allow underage marriage under any of these circumstances.

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There are many newly forged radicals.

Last night alone, Trump got an additional $10 million from brand new donors.
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Originally posted by williegoat:

There are many newly forged radicals.

Last night alone, Trump got an additional $10 million from brand new donors.


If this is true I find it very interesting.

I assumed that everyone who thought the system is rigged were already in. Hard to understand why people would think it was fair all the way up until Trump was convicted.

It will be interesting to see the new polling.

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The water isn't very deep in his end of the pool, is it?
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Originally posted by BingB:
Old data from 2014.

Every state I listed that has barred child marriage has done it since 2018. Delaware (2018), New Jersey (2018), Pennsylvania (2020), Minnesota (2020),Rhode Island (2021),New York (2021),Massachusetts (2022),Vermont (2023),Connecticut (2023), Michigan (2023), Washington (2024) and Virginia (2024).

Blue states stepping up to protect youth from being sexually exploited by adults. Red states sitting on their hands because they are fine with 16 year old girls getting it from older men. as long as they are married their god is fine with it.

My "actual proof" is correct .......








Your "actual proof" is not supported by anything other than gas ejected from the sphincter between your ass cheeks.....which of course is the same as all of your "proof"

HERE is data that says that YOU ARE STILL FULL OF CRAP



You are welcome to see the full size chart , as well as plow through a state by state list of the pertinent laws here:

https://childusa.org/wp-con...9d30a6f8d80577ea.pdf

The vile depths that you are willing to go to just to try to "win" a political argument and defend abusing children is nauseating, but:

Leftists gotta Leftist

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Originally posted by olejoedad:



The water isn't very deep in his end of the pool, is it?



The polling shows I am correct.


You are not allowed near the pool are you?

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Ray and Bing B the law is about child trafficking not when they can get married.
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Originally posted by BingB:

The polling shows I am correct.




You Leftoids sure are odd little water-heads.

Opinions are "facts" and polling is "proof".

It's always about anything except the objective truth and moral decency with you sad clowns.

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You Leftoids sure are odd little water-heads.

Opinions are "facts" and polling is "proof".

It's always about anything except the objective truth and moral decency with you sad clowns.



where is objective truth or any moral decency in a RUMP ever ?

ALL YOUR BOY DOES IS LIE AND OBJECT TO THE TRUE FACTS
and morals of a snake who rapes steals cheats and then lies about it

as proven in court
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The polling shows I am correct.


You are not allowed near the pool are you?

Nothing in your post shows that anything I said was wrong.

So, not sure what you are squealing about.
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Originally posted by jdv:

Ray and Bing B the law is about child trafficking not when they can get married.


buybull said 13 is adult

like so much in that book the RWNJ claim to follow
THEY DO NOT REALLY BELIEVE IT

SO JUST MAKE STUFF UP LIKE YOU DO
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Ray and Bing B the law is about child trafficking not when they can get married.



My response was to the general accusation that leftist support sex with children while the right does not.

You can't squeal about how conservatives don't let adults have sex with children while conservative states are much more lenient about letting adults marry youth under the age of 18.

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No, I am very mainstream America.


THERE IS THE PROBLEM

the rightwing nuts who are way over in foul territory far passed the playing field
THINK THEY ARE IN CENTER FIELD


no sir you are not
you cult is not center of anything
save your ego's

it is a clue to why they think they ''won'' with less real votes

and why they do NOT respect results at the polls or in the courts
that lack of respect for real results can threaten our system
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THERE IS THE PROBLEM

the rightwing nuts who are way over in foul territory far passed the playing field
THINK THEY ARE IN CENTER FIELD


no sir you are not
you cult is not center of anything
save your ego's

it is a clue to why they think they ''won'' with less real votes

and why they do NOT respect results at the polls or in the courts
that lack of respect for real results can threaten our system


You should get out more.

America is not at all what your narrow view of it has led you to believe.

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