Can someone explain to me why Republicans heads are exploding over criminal charges being brought against Trump when his entire campaign in 2016 was based on his promise to lock up Hillary? Trump even fired the director of the FBI because he refused to try and lock up Hillary.
Seems to me they are contradicting themselves, but maybe I am missing something.
https://www.politifact.com/...onald-trump-has-it-/ Trump mentioned FBI Director James Comey, who decided that Clinton's actions did not rise to the level of prosecution. Trump said that Comey "let her off the hook while other lives, including General Petraeus and many others, have been destroyed for doing far, far less. This is a conspiracy against you the American people and we cannot let this happen or continue."
You do not have the capacity or the desire to understand.
Willful ignorance. They know the difference between rhetoric and weaponizing the justice system against political enemies. They choose not to understand.
I could be wrong and they have the intellect of a bag of hammers. It is almost a tossup right now.
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Willful ignorance. They know the difference between rhetoric and weaponizing the justice system against political enemies. They choose not to understand.
"Rhetoric", by its very definition, is intended to persuade the audience.
Trump's rhetoric was in favor of the president imprisoning his opponent.
Why is that acceptable? It is the exact same policy that the right is now claiming is a "threat to democracy".
Originally posted by Doug85GT: Is all political rhetoric to be taken at face value? Or just the rhetoric of your political opponents when it suits you?
Yes all rhetoric should be treated the same. That is exactly why I asked you why Trumps was acceptable?
Why should Trumps rhetoric be treated differently.
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Originally posted by Doug85GT: Do you know the difference between policy and rhetoric?
Yes I do. Rhetoric is designed to support and influence policy.
What do you think the difference is?
Surely you are not going to try and argue that Trump's rhetoric was acceptable just because that policy failed? trump tried just as hard to convict Hillary as biden did to convict Trump. Trump even fired Comey because he would not prosecute Hillary.
Problem was that trump just did not have the evidence to convict Hillary while Trump is so dirty it is easy to convict him.
A lot of Republican Federal judges are going to be involved in the appeals of all these Trump cases. Republicans still can't deal with the fact that a lot of Trumps campaign challenges wer dismissed by Republican judges. It will be interesting to see how they react if Trump AGAIN loses appeals in front of Republican judges. At some point you have to accept that Trump is just a crooked liar or go to war with the government.
Before he was ever elected President both his charity and his university were shut down by the courts because they were scams. He paid millions in damages. That makes it a little harder to swallow his claim that he is just a poor innocent victim of a corrupt system.
Originally posted by BingB: Yes I do. Rhetoric is designed to support and influence policy.
What do you think the difference is?
Surely you are not going to try and argue that Trump's rhetoric was acceptable just because that policy failed? trump tried just as hard to convict Hillary as biden did to convict Trump. Trump even fired Comey because he would not prosecute Hillary.
Problem was that trump just did not have the evidence to convict Hillary while Trump is so dirty it is easy to convict him.
A lot of Republican Federal judges are going to be involved in the appeals of all these Trump cases. Republicans still can't deal with the fact that a lot of Trumps campaign challenges wer dismissed by Republican judges. It will be interesting to see how they react if Trump AGAIN loses appeals in front of Republican judges. At some point you have to accept that Trump is just a crooked liar or go to war with the government.
Before he was ever elected President both his charity and his university were shut down by the courts because they were scams. He paid millions in damages. That makes it a little harder to swallow his claim that he is just a poor innocent victim of a corrupt system.
You clearly don't know the difference between rhetoric and policy.
Originally posted by BingB: I am missing something.
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Originally posted by cliffw: Yes, yes you are ! A brain I believe.
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Originally posted by williegoat: BingB does not have the capacity or the desire to understand.
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Originally posted by BingB: Yes I do. I really do. Please, at least give me a chance. Tell me the explanation.
BingBat, You should know by now, my Wife and I cared for a mentally needy lady for over 25 years, as a live in. She became family, and is to this day. My Wife worked for the Texas State Hospital (every State has a State Hospital) which deals with the mentally needy including certifiable insane individuals.
Perhaps, because of my experience, I can recognize you have a mentally needy brain. Your continual lying is a clue.
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Originally posted by BingB: Can someone explain to me why Republicans heads are exploding over criminal charges being brought against Trump when his entire campaign in 2016 was based on his promise to lock up Hillary?
Trump never promised to do that, never ever ! On the other hand, Bragg campaigned, promising to prosecute Trump.
Fani Willis, the Georgia District Attorney, vowed to 'get' him during her campaign trail.
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Originally posted by Doug85GT: Willful ignorance. They know the difference between rhetoric and weaponizing the justice system against political enemies. They choose not to understand.
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Originally posted by BingB: "Rhetoric", by its very definition, is intended to persuade the audience.
That is a lie.
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Originally posted by BingB: Trump's rhetoric was in favor of the president imprisoning his opponent.
Trump never said that !
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Originally posted by BingB: Surely you are not going to try and argue that Trump's rhetoric was acceptable just because that policy failed? trump tried just as hard to convict Hillary as biden did to convict Trump. Trump even fired Comey because he would not prosecute Hillary.
Trump never even tried to prosecute Clinton. Trump fired Comey, as well as FBI official, Peter Strzok, former FBI lawyer Lisa Page, and acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe for multiple reasons including being leaders in the "swamp". The FBI works at the pleasure of the President. He allowed the FBI to appoint a Special Councils to investigate himself. Robert Mueller.
Again, Trump never even tried to prosecute Clinton. It is fact that she deleted 33,000 emails after her emails were subpoenaed by Congress. It is also a fact the Clinton's "Clinton Foundation" was collecting millions upon millions of dollars while she was Secretary of the State. Since Trump won, not a dime. Since Biden won, not a dime. He should have appointed a Special Prosecutor.
These were campaign speeches. he was making promises of what he would do as President. One of the most poppular choices by his crowds was imprisoning Hillary Clinton. Trump did everything he could to convince these people that hillary would be "locked up" IF HE WAS PRESIDENT.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06...y-clinton/index.html During campaign rallies in 2016, Trump sometimes paused his remarks as his supporters engaged in chants of “lock her up,” giving the chants time to continue. On other occasions, he explicitly repeated those words himself.
“For what she’s done, they should lock her up,” Trump said after the crowd chanted “lock her up” at an October 2016 rally in North Carolina.
“‘Lock her up’ is right,” he said at an October 2016 rally in Pennsylvania.
“Hillary Clinton has to go to jail, OK? She has to go to jail,” he said in a June 2016 speech in California. “She has to go to jail,” he repeated in an October 2016 speech in Florida. And at a presidential debate in October 2016, after Clinton said, “It’s just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in our country,” Trump responded, “Because you’d be in jail.”
“You should lock her up, I’ll tell you,” he said at a January 2020 rally in Ohio. At an October 2020 rally in Georgia, after the crowd chanted “lock them up” in relation to the Biden family, Trump said, “You should lock them up. Lock up the Bidens. Lock up Hillary.”
It is also a fact the Clinton's "Clinton Foundation" was collecting millions upon millions of dollars while she was Secretary of the State. Since Trump won, not a dime.
Took me less than a minute to find a financial statement showing over $13 million in contributions in 2020.
(in writing or speech) the undue use of exaggeration or display; bombast. the art or science of all specialized literary uses of language in prose or verse, including the figures of speech. the study of the effective use of language. the ability to use language effectively. the art of prose in general as opposed to verse. the art of making persuasive speeches; oratory. (in classical oratory) the art of influencing the thought and conduct of an audience. (in older use) a work on rhetoric.
“If she were to win, it would create an unprecedented Constitutional crisis that would cripple the operations of our government,” he said. “She is likely to be under investigation for many years, and also it will probably end up – in my opinion – in a criminal trial. I mean, you take a look. Who knows? But it certainly looks that way.”
“She has no right to be running, you know that,” Trump said. “No right.”
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