So here we are, 4 years after all the hubbub about stolen elections. Turns out nothing was stolen, the results have been repeatedly and unanimously found to be accurate and secure, and all of the people pushing that narrative were guilty of such egregious falsifying of truth that the lawyers among them have been disbarred and they are going to collectively end up owing one company more than a billion dollars. If there's some evidence that isn't the case I'm open to discussing it.
Trump, however, still insists that the 2020 election was falsified in some way that cost him votes, and is saying he will only accept the results of the 2024 election if they are 'honest' in a way the 2020 election was not.
I'm not sure what further burden of proof could be met showing that Trump 'honestly' lost the 2020 election: That's one of the most carefully scrutinized Presidential elections and there is a clear body of evidence demonstrating such.
This question has been floating around for me for a while...but what could be done that would convince Trump supporters that a loss is legitimate? In a realistic scenario, at the end of a close race, what would be required for Trump and his supporter to concede without controversy?
...but what could be done that would convince Trump supporters that a loss is legitimate? In a realistic scenario, at the end of a close race, what would be required for Trump and his supporter to concede without controversy?
Tell the media to stop showing tons of people getting caught dropping off 20 ballots with dead peoples names on them in favor of Biden as well as uncounted Republican ballots mysteriously being found in bags scattered all over the U.S.
ANYTHING like that will trigger people to form their own opinion about cheating.
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Originally posted by NewDustin: This question has been floating around for me for a while...but what could be done that would convince Trump supporters that a loss is legitimate? In a realistic scenario, at the end of a close race, what would be required for Trump and his supporter to concede without controversy?
Define controversy. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
NewDustin, what would you think could or should be done ?
This question has been floating around for me for a while...but what could be done that would convince Trump supporters that a loss is legitimate? In a realistic scenario, at the end of a close race, what would be required for Trump and his supporter to concede without controversy?
I would suggest that eliminating mail in voting or at least require a notary signature & embossed stamp. Absentee voting has been around for a very long time but, that's a pretty limited number of votes (until recently). Eliminate Harvesting Votes and only allowed voting at the polls after proof of ID has been verified.
I've been a Poll Manager in my district for quite a few election cycles, requiring proof with an (official) ID works. That should be a nationwide requirement by many states that don't require proof with an ID. ------------------ Rams Learning most of life's lessons the hard way. . You are only young once but, you can be immature indefinitely.
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THEY NEVER FOUND ANY CHEATING ON ANY REAL SCALE OR GROUP NO CON-VICTIONS SAVE THE RUMP HIMSELF AND MANY FOLLOWERS WHO ON 1-6 DID TRY TO STEAL AN ELECTION
THEY NEVER FOUND ANY CHEATING ON ANY REAL SCALE OR GROUP NO CON-VICTIONS SAVE THE RUMP HIMSELF AND MANY FOLLOWERS WHO ON 1-6 DID TRY TO STEAL AN ELECTION
Rayb, are you watching the Trump rally in Charlotte? I know you wouldn't want to miss it.
THEY NEVER FOUND ANY CHEATING ON ANY REAL SCALE OR GROUP NO CON-VICTIONS SAVE THE RUMP HIMSELF AND MANY FOLLOWERS WHO ON 1-6 DID TRY TO STEAL AN ELECTION
Without checking IDs in many states and by allowing the Harvesting of votes unverified, who really won? It's impossible to agree with you on anything concerning voting.
Arizona checks ID if you vote in person. Mail-in and drop-box ballots, including the hundreds (thousands?) of boxes that were "discovered" weeks after the election, were signature verified. There are plenty of videos showing just how well that worked. They say "We counted every ballot", so nothing to see here.
Machines were hacked and connected to the internet, but that was fixed. And they pulled Ted Kennedy's car out of the river the very next day. So, stop worrying about it.
Arizona checks ID if you vote in person. Mail-in and drop-box ballots, including the hundreds (thousands?) of boxes that were "discovered" weeks after the election, were signature verified. There are plenty of videos showing just how well that worked. They say "We counted every ballot", so nothing to see here.
Machines were hacked and connected to the internet, but that was fixed. And they pulled Ted Kennedy's car out of the river the very next day. So, stop worrying about it.
the kracken who turned out to be a squid said a lot of BS just like that she got felony charges and may have been disbarred and could prove NONE OF IT NEAR 4 LONG YEARS OF THAT LIE PROVE IT SOME WHERE ANYWHERE SO FAR NOWHERE NO CONVICTIONS
EXCEPT THE RUMP ASSAULT ON 1-6 THAT NETS HUNDREDS IN JAILS WITH REAL CHARGES NO LIE NO BS HEARING HELD EVEN JURY TRIALS PRISON SENTENCES RESULT
Without checking IDs in many states and by allowing the Harvesting of votes unverified, who really won? It's impossible to agree with you on anything concerning voting.
Rams
RUMP LOST THE PEOPLES VOTES TWICE once won a state rigged deal counts then lead a revolt not a recount treason is exactly what he and his minions wanted and did what else is hang mike pence ? mob rule = revolution = traitors
what if that mob had been 10k attackers was a few k total with maybe a few hundred actual attack guys whacking cops what if they did hang mike instead of just trying to ? maybe a few other congress critters also and stop the count is that treason ? I do NOT think attempted treason is a charge and try is good as a full revolt
why not the old lying scum who was there did it poorly for the Gop goes time for a new face new ideas with less hate and fear less loans from putin also is a pluss
Define controversy. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
NewDustin, what would you think could or should be done ?
That's a good point...I don't know I could provide a subjective definition for controversy. How about "without widespread claims from official campaign channels that the election was decided by fraud, or was stolen"?
I'd scrap our voting/electoral system and replace it with something that discourages combative two party elections. I think the Trump sore-loserism is a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself.
Tell the media to stop showing tons of people getting caught dropping off 20 ballots with dead peoples names on them in favor of Biden as well as uncounted Republican ballots mysteriously being found in bags scattered all over the U.S.
ANYTHING like that will trigger people to form their own opinion about cheating.
I'm under the impression that these things did not happen, and that's a little vague for me to dig into. Do you have more information on this or a source?
Arizona checks ID if you vote in person. Mail-in and drop-box ballots, including the hundreds (thousands?) of boxes that were "discovered" weeks after the election, were signature verified. There are plenty of videos showing just how well that worked. They say "We counted every ballot", so nothing to see here.
You aren't citing Cyber Ninjas here are you? Their findings were based on not understanding the voting system they were auditing. They are demonstrably wrong. Even they say their numbers are "screwy."
If not...what are you talking about here?
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Machines were hacked and connected to the internet, but that was fixed. And they pulled Ted Kennedy's car out of the river the very next day. So, stop worrying about it.
Do you have a citation for this? I am not finding anything about voting machines "hacked and connected to the internet."
Originally posted by randye: Weird form of internalization when you believe that demonstrating the Leftist Demorats election denial behavior is an ad hominem.
Is there a Latin term for a fallacious accusation of a fallacious argument?
Glass house and tossing stones boulders syndrome maybe?
Leftists gotta Leftist
Tu quoque is an argument that attacks an opponent's hypocrisy, without addresing the content of their argument. That is exactly what you did.
If you can find an example of me doing the same I'll add your bit about stones to my signature
Originally posted by NewDustin: I don't know I could provide a subjective definition for controversy. How about "without widespread claims from official campaign channels that the election was decided by fraud, or was stolen"?
There were claims about election processes. There was no time to go through the courts.
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Originally posted by NewDustin: I'd scrap our voting/electoral system and replace it with something that discourages combative two party elections. I think the Trump sore-loserism is a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself.
I think you and I share a lot of common ground on our views of the 2 party system. Are you familiar with first-past-the-post vs more proportional voting systems? There are some fantastic rabbit holes to go down. We absolutely messed some Central/South American countries up playing democracy laboratory with them, but we ended up with a large body of knowledge about how to impact faction (parties) via voting system.
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Originally posted by randye: Weird form of internalization when you believe that demonstrating the Leftist Demorats election denial behavior is an ad hominem.
Is there a Latin term for a fallacious accusation of a fallacious argument?
Glass house and tossing stones boulders syndrome maybe?
Leftists gotta Leftist
ONE MORE TIME
IN THE USA IN 2024 THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS CENTER RIGHT THE Gop ARE RWNJ'S in the view of most euro's the new runner is not liberal by caiforicator standards or my standards she and joe both are center right all you show with your BS is how far extreme rightwing you are
the rump cult is off the scale to the very extreme right close to putin and isis there is no need for that it is not good for anything
Ray It's OK when you rant about Jeb Bush with out any evidence. Call people racist while using the term Uncle Tom. Repeat everything you hear off the View and have nothing to back it up except Babble.
Ray It's OK when you rant about Jeb Bush with out any evidence. Call people racist while using the term Uncle Tom. Repeat everything you hear off the View and have nothing to back it up except Babble.
jeb was a scum bag land developer after govinatoring Gop crooks never do real work he did fix the 2000 vote and faked recount also fake disallowed many voters the guy fixed the race in fla for is brother by cheating many ways they had a scheme is get many demo or indy voter challenged for being a felon set the hi-way patrol at the ghetto voting places TO REDUCE THE VOTES
leftest called people who did not fight the jim crow rules toms you were not there then and still are on the WRONG SIDE TODAY
If only that were true. If only it really was just "one more time", but as we all know, you will continue to incessantly and insanely rant your Neo-Marxist / totalitarian gibberish with ALL CAPS, incomplete sentences, misspelled and misused words and incoherent nonsense like a deranged magpie.
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IN THE USA IN 2024 THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS CENTER RIGHT THE Gop ARE RWNJ'S in the view of most euro's the new runner is not liberal by caiforicator standards or my standards she and joe both are center right all you show with your BS is how far extreme rightwing you are
the rump cult is off the scale to the very extreme right close to putin and isis there is no need for that it is not good for anything
Center Right? My goodness, please cut back on the meds or whatever you take before it's too late to get some common sense back.
Center Right? My goodness, please cut back on the meds or whatever you take before it's too late to get some common sense back.
Rams
ASK OUR FOUNDER
or any other informed euro one could even google it but many are scared of real info
I do not make up BS like many on the extreme right do here regularly
you are not very well informed about the world
the Atlantic '' This small-c conservative Democratic Party is the product of at least three converging currents. One is that the party has achieved many of its biggest goals in recent years, and has now shifted toward defending and consolidating those victories. Second, the changing demographics of the parties mean that some of the Democratic Party’s most powerful backers are the winners of society as it exists now . Why would they want transformative change? Third, and relatedly, the Trump-era Republican Party has abandoned much of the party’s old orthodoxy in favor of radicalism on domestic and foreign affairs. ''
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