Originally posted by NewDustin: Are you familiar with first-past-the-post vs more proportional voting systems?
No.
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Originally posted by NewDustin: There are some fantastic rabbit holes to go down. We absolutely messed some Central/South American countries up playing democracy laboratory with them, but we ended up with a large body of knowledge about how to impact faction (parties) via voting system.
Originally posted by randye: If only that were true. If only it really was just "one more time", but as we all know, you will continue to incessantly and insanely rant your Neo-Marxist / totalitarian gibberish with ALL CAPS, incomplete sentences, misspelled and misused words and incoherent nonsense like a deranged magpie.
why are you so very close to the way of ruling used by isis and putin ?
All that believe law matters. The legislature sets law.
Did you just exclude the entire judiciary in "anyone who cares about the law"? It seems like you did.
In amy case, you know perfectly well that the courts have final say on any issue's legality. Don't be over here pretending like you don't know any better: Ive already picked up that you do.
Originally posted by NewDustin: Did you just exclude the entire judiciary in "anyone who cares about the law"? It seems like you did.
No !
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Originally posted by NewDustin: In amy case, you know perfectly well that the courts have final say on any issue's legality. Don't be over here pretending like you don't know any better: Ive already picked up that you do.
The final say ? The Supreme Court of the United States. There was not enough time for most cases to reach SCOTUS. Only one did, which was dismissed due to lack of standing.
The final say ? The Supreme Court of the United States. There was not enough time for most cases to reach SCOTUS. Only one did, which was dismissed due to lack of standing.
Then the lower courts' decisions are the law of the land in all of those cases. Anyone who respects the law of the land would defer to those decisions.
Then I get to do my favorite thing: Help someone hate the 2 party system better! It tooke me a whole damn semester to wrap my head around this, but this YouTuber does a really good job in just over 5 min!
There's a lot more, and you can directly determine 1 party or hundreds from electoral system.
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Originally posted by NewDustin: Then the lower courts' decisions are the law of the land in all of those cases. Anyone who respects the law of the land would defer to those decisions.
Ah, I see. You are okay with a tort of yours not being able to get the full measure of justice ?
All that believe law matters. The legislature sets law.
Some election laws were changed by Governors, some by election officials.
No changes in laws made any difference because they applied to both sides equally.
All relevant court cases that had any merit were either decided by the SCOTUS or denied cert becuase they agreed with the lower court. There were no cases that were not decided due to "time".
There was never any evidence that the 2020 election was rigged in any way. Yet Trump and his followers will still not accept this. They reject the rulings of the courts and think whatever Trump says should be law.
Originally posted by BingB: No changes in laws made any difference because they applied to both sides equally.
Hey guys, I've got this illegal thing that I've been doing for years... pay no mind to it. But now, I'm going to really quickly change the laws illegally, without state congressional oversight or approval. I know you guys (Republicans) have never done this before... but pay no mind, because Fred says the cheating is totally fair... even though I've got a 6 month head start on the cheating, and I'm passing this law just so that I can make temporarily legal the thing which is normally illegal... it's all good because now three months before the election, you can go mobilize and do it too. If you guys (Republicans) don't also want to cheat, well... that's on you!
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Originally posted by BingB: All relevant court cases that had any merit were either decided by the SCOTUS or denied cert becuase they agreed with the lower court. There were no cases that were not decided due to "time".
There was never any evidence that the 2020 election was rigged in any way. Yet Trump and his followers will still not accept this. They reject the rulings of the courts and think whatever Trump says should be law.
I don't think you have to worry. The polls that show Kamala "up" came too soon, too quickly. It doesn't "feel" legitimate. Remember that many of these pollsters are owned by foreign investors, or even by majority-liberal organizations. There's no accounting for manipulating the data... it's not a vote, it's not something held to a standard or law. I don't deny she has probably gotten a bump, but it seems impossible that all these people would be voting for Trump, and then magically all of a sudden want to vote for Kamala Harris. Either people really are this retarded, or the polls are being manipulated... both before (to show Biden how bad he's losing), and after (to encourage support for Kamala).
Last I checked, the polymarkets still show Trump winning handily... and a lot of that can ALSO be influenced by polling influences. People don't realize that polling does not have the psychological effect it did previously. There was evidence that some of this was going on during Trump / Clinton in 2016... or at least that they favored certain areas to influence the polling. I figure they're probably pulling out all the stops at this point, and just don't care anymore.
As they say, when an enemy is nearly defeated, there is no limit to what they might do to try to survive. Democrats no longer care about maintaining that image of impropriety... they will do anything, and stop at nothing to manipulate the vote and stay in power. They realize that Trump, now twice burned, will scorch Earth the framework they've built to manipulate the country. They view this as an existential threat.
even though I've got a 6 month head start on the cheating,
Actually Republicans had a much bigger head start because they had been employing ballot harvesting techniques ever since the 2016 lection in North Carolina. And I am noyt ttalking about internet theories tossed around by sore losers who can not deal with reality. I am talking about widespread voter fraud that ACTUALLY HAPPENED. There were multiple criminal convictions for voter fraud and they held a new election.
There was no "cheating" involved in the rule schanges in 2020 because they applied equally to both sides. Since history has proven that Republicans embrace ballott harvesting then they were at NO DISADVANTAGE ro democrats.
Recap: Republicans have more recent history of voter fraud. Democrats did nt breal ANY ELECTION REGULATIONS in 2020. That is why when the courts ruled that these laws were improperly changed there were no new elections. There was no benefit to the Democrats. The rules applied the smae for both sides.
