quote Originally posted by olejoedad: What is the difference between theory and fact?

This question from you really explains a lot about some of the comments you have been making. 

Look up the difference yourself. That will help you understand/remember it better.

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quote Originally posted by olejoedad: What is the difference between theory and fact?

Without looking it up, I'll say; Theory is an idea that looks like it might be true but needs more testing. The theory of relativity and the big bang theory are examples.

Fact needs no further testing. Similar to a law of physics. Physical laws do not break and facts are indisputable. You can't break or change them. Math and Newtons laws about inertia are examples. We fly spacecraft through the rings of Saturn without hitting a single rock using Fact.

When the meaning of fact get screwed up ... we're in big trouble.

quote Originally posted by Yellow-88: Without looking it up, I'll say; Theory is an idea that looks like it might be true but needs more testing. The theory of relativity and the big bang theory are examples. Fact needs no further testing. Similar to a law of physics. Physical laws do not break and facts are indisputable. You can't break or change them. Math and Newtons laws about inertia are examples. We fly spacecraft through the rings of Saturn without hitting a single rock using Fact. When the meaning of fact get screwed up ... we're in big trouble.

Thanks, I have known that for several decades.

We live in a time where a lot of theories are taken as facts.

It's in evidence here on this Forum.

We have been in big trouble for a long time.

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quote Originally posted by olejoedad: We live in a time where a lot of theories are taken as facts. It's in evidence here on this Forum. We have been in big trouble for a long time.

It's when facts are taken as theory, that's what worries me. Yes, we see it clearly here.

The "fact" that anything can be absolute and unchangeable is difficult for some people.

quote Originally posted by BingB: You have never once listed any source that says there are enough inpatient re-hab beds for all the homeless people in Florida with mental health or drug addiction problems. You just make up stuff like that in your head and pretend it is true, but it isn't. I just posted a link that proves otherwise. If there were enough free beds then there would be no long wait lists. I post facts while you post baseless opinions. And again you don't understand the difference between "inpatient" and "outpatient". There are many more outpatient treatment facilities than inpatient. Homeless people need inpatient.

Do you have any common sense ?

Homeless people do not need inpatient drug rehab treatment.

quote Originally posted by cliffw:Do you have any common sense ? Homeless people do not need inpatient drug rehab treatment.

Then argument TA was making was that they could go to a rehab instead of living on the street. That is "inpatient".

Providing a homeless person with "outpatient" treatment does not get him off the streets. And many of the rehabs TA keeps listing do not even offer inpatient treatment.

quote Originally posted by Yellow-88: Neither party has "turned into a cult". One party has been infiltrated by a cult. Any "party" or like minded group can be thought of as "cult like". MAGA is a closed minded group that has almost nothing in common with Republican party principals. MAGA members have publicly violated their oath of office. Their leader blatantly lies publicly and has been indicted on multiple felonies and convicted on one. The MAGA influenced Supreme Court has given him immunity from criminal prosecution. The foundation is set for complete collapse of the Republic.

Utter nonsense, coming from someone who is supposedly highly educated and a professional problem solver.

You have been indoctrinated by your cult and the establishment liberal media.

Most conservatives have been waiting for the milquetoast GOP to quit rolling over to the immoral fanatics of the Left. Now that they have a real leader, a successful businessman and family man, the Liberal Left is freaking out.

This country was founded on religious, moral tenents that have been buried by the Left.

You have bought into their BS.

You have no credibility as a deep thinking,problem solver you claim to be.

quote Originally posted by Yellow-88: Because a big chunk of the GOP has joined a cult. There either simple minded, or scared schitless. Kiss the kings ass and you can stay in his court. It wouldn't be the first time in history that a civilization has collapsed from that issue. Just a reminder; the GOP died with John McCain and has been destroyed by MAGA. To save it, we need at least 4 years of actual American style government. The current GOP is not offering that.

Would this be true ?
Democratic party has joined a cult. There either simple minded, or scared schitless.
Kiss the kings ass and you can stay in his court. It wouldn't be the first time in history that a civilization has collapsed from that issue.
Fact or fiction ?

Would this be true ?
The Democratic party died with John F Kennedy and has been destroyed by Progressives. To save it, we need at least 4 years of actual American style government. The current Democratic party is not offering that.
Fact or fiction ?

quote Originally posted by Yellow-88: "We are a Republic as long as we can keep it."

We are a Republic in name only. We used to be a Republic, but we lost it with the advent of political parties.

The people of the new country "The United States" were supportive of naming Washington the King. An emerging Democratic-Republican opposition party vilified Washington in the press.

Washington considered parties to be the bane of republican government. Parties were factions that threatened to divide the electorate into competing groups who might use violence to advance their interests.

Our lives are ruled by monarchs. Which would be all the unelected officials making law through regulation.

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quote Originally posted by olejoedad:, a successful businessman and family man,

You want proof that someone is in a cult?

They define a "successful family man" as a guy who is on his third marriage and had some of his kids estranged from him for years because he cheated on their mother while she was pregnant.

They define a "successful business man" as a guy who inherited $400 million dollars but has had to declare bankruptcy 4 times. Also convicted of felonies for business fraud.

This is the guy they worship. He can do no wrong. The statement that will appear next to Trumps pictures in the history books will be "I could shoot a man in the middle of the street and they would not care". Lots of politicians have "sheep" followers, but Trump is the only one who calls them that to their faces.

And they still don't care. Thei devotion is cult like.

quote Originally posted by BingB: Nothing I said was false. There are not enough inpatient beds available for everyone who needs treatment in Florida. I posted a link to a source to prove it.

One does not need a bed to go into rehab.

quote Originally posted by BingB: So far no one has posted anything to prove that i was wrong. And no one has posted anything to prove that Florida has enough re-hab beds for all the homeless people with drug problems. I am THE ONLY ONE who has posted anything to prove my point. TA is just making stuff up and claiming that it is true. He does that a lot.

It raises it's ugly head again.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Others define a "successful family man" as a guy who married another guy and calls itself a wife, and adopted two kids.

Is he a good husband and father? Does he provide emotionally and financially for his family? I feel like we didn't address any of the points that might determine whether or not this individual is a successful family man, just focused on who he married.

Also, "itself" seems like a passive aggressive way to address anyone.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: One does not need a bed to go into rehab.

"Bed" is a term that means a spot at an inpatient treatment facility.

And if a homeless person does not get a "bed" at a rehab then he is still on the streets. Outpatient treatment does not get any homeless people off the streets.

quote Originally posted by BingB: Then argument TA was making was that they could go to a rehab instead of living on the street. That is "inpatient". Providing a homeless person with "outpatient" treatment does not get him off the streets. And many of the rehabs TA keeps listing do not even offer inpatient treatment.

Bing, you keep trying to reshape my argument into something you feel that you can win. This is a weird way to have a discussion, and I'm not aligning with anything that you're suggesting.

I've simply said, liberal states have the most homelessness. It actually rejects Patrick's assumption that they're all going to California because the weather is more moderate. The top three (in this order) of states with the worst homelessness is Vermont, New York, and then California. My point is that left-leaning states refuse to combat homelessness with any common sense. They seem to implement policies that enable it.

I've said that for people who want to get better, get off drugs, there are options. I do not understand what you keep yammering about, and what your hyper-focus is. But I've addressed multiple times now, that there are dozens if facilities where a homeless person can get rehab care ... and live there. I even linked you to one that I've very familiar with... Faith Farm. There are hundreds of similar homeless charities within Florida, the least of which include actual private organizations that are funded by the Federal government, state government, and even the county.

I don't even know what you're arguing about anymore... and before you re-repeat everything you just said... please go back and read all the places I mentioned where you can get rehab WHILE living there. Not to mention, you can also get rehab day services, and then ALSO go to a homeless shelter... not to mention another option is to get arrested, and be forced into a rehab facility that's for sure fully paid for (I'm not talking about jail).

quote Originally posted by BingB: The left never elected a guy who bragged about grabbing p***y or cheated on all his former wives (one of them while she was pregnant). The left never elected a guy who had both his charity, and his university shut down because they were frauds and then got convicted of felonies for fraudulent business practices. You have to be brainwashed cult member to believe that Donald Trump is the leader of the "moral" party.

How old are you? Do you not remember the 90s? Bill Clinton stuck a cigar in an intern's vagina while in the oval office. He also cheated with several other women. John F. Kennedy also as a long history of extramarital affairs. For the record, I liked both of these presidents.

But if we're not just talking about presidents... well then... there's the Democrat Sexual Misconduct List....


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Gerald Ackerman - Democrat MI May - In May 2000, convicted on 10 felony counts of criminal sexual conduct; sentenced to 18 to 38 years imprisonment, also 1 year for indecent exposure to a minor.

Brock Adams - Democrat WA Sen - Arrested for drugging, assault, and rape of a woman. (While married)

Sam Adams - Democrat OR May - Lied, but proven guilty to an affair with an 18-year old male intern.

Jim Bates - Democrat CA Rep - Forced by ethics committee to make a formal apology to the married female staffers he had made repeated sexual advancements towards.

Gary Becker - Democrat WI May - Arrested for soliciting sex of a minor (14 years old).

Rod Blagojevich - Democrat IL Gov - Among other things, also proven to have had an affair. (while married)

Andrew Bradshaw - Democrat MD May - Mayor of Cambridge, Maryland, Andrew Bradshaw, has been charged with 50 counts of distributing revenge **** .

Bill Clinton - Democrat Prsdnt - Cheated on wife with an intern

Gary Condit - Democrat CA Rep - Extramarital affair with Chandra Levy. (Woman was murdered, but not by him)

Marc Dann - Democrat OK Agn - In 2008, confessed to an affair with a state staff member. (while married)

Roosevelt Dobbins - Democrat AK Rep - Convicted of fondling a 16-year old while in office.

Doyle Dennis - Democrat OR May - Oregon Mayor who donated to Joe Biden’s campaign and collaborated with the Obama administration has been arrested on child pornography charges.

John Edwards - Democrat NC Sen - Extramarital affair with staff member, while wife was critically ill with breast cancer.

Steven Effman - Democrat FL Rep - Admitted in 2003 to inappropriate relationships with three divorce clients; (While married)

Silvio Failla - Democrat NJ Asm - Was shot and killed when a prostitute he solcicited tried to rob him with the help of her pimp.

Bob Filner - Democrat CA May - Filner has been accused of multiple cases of sexual harassment. Although he denies these claims, he admitted to numerous sexual advances to these same individuals. (While married)

Barney Frank - Democrat MA Rep - Hired a male prostitute, ran a prostitution ring from his own home.

Kerry Gauthier - Democrat MN Rep - In August of 2012, he had sex with a 17 year old boy in a public bathroom. Admitted it and agreed to not run for re-election.

David Giles - Democrat WA Rep - Convicted in June 2000 of child rape. (While Married)

Neil Goldschmidt - Democrat OR May - In 2004, confessed to an affair with a 14 year old girl. (while married)

Gary Hart - Democrat CO Sen - Had an affair in 1988 with then model Donna Rice. (while married)

Wayne Hays - Democrat OH Rep - Sexual Acts with secretary. (While married)

Gordon Hintz - Democrat WI Rep - Arrested Feb. 10, 2011 for violating a City of Appleton ordinance of touching or offering to touch sexual parts.

Allan Howe - Democrat UT Rep - 2 counts of solicitation of a prostitute. (While married)

Daniel Inouye - Democrat HI Rep - Charged with sexual harassment against numerous women on his staff. (While married)

Ted Kennedy - Democrat MA Sen - Admitted to womanizing while married from 1967-1981. Confirmed relations with Mary Jo Kapechne.

Kwame Kilpatrick - Democrat MI May - Solicitation of multiple prostitutes, obstruction of justice, 2 felonies, held multiple sex parties at tx payer expense.

Stacey (Barry) Laughton - Democrat NH Rep - Federal charges for using daycare connections to acquire child exploitation images.

Vito J. Lopez - Democrat NJ Asm - Stripped of his committee chairmanship and censured after he sexually harassed two women who worked in his district office.

Robert L. Leggit - Democrat CA Rep - Fathered two illegitimate children by a Congressional secretary, then had an affair with another woman who was an aide to Speaker Carl Albert.

Tim Mahoney - Democrat IL Rep - Cheated on wife with a staff member, and then paid her $121,000 to keep quiet.

Eric Massa - Democrat NY Rep - Resigned from the house over allegations from the Ethics panel. Admitted to sexual language / misconduct to a staffer.

Jim McGreevey - Democrat NJ Gov - Extramarital homosexual affair with his homeland security advisor.

Wilbur Mills - Democrat AK Rep - Solicitation and sexual misconduct with a prostitute. (While married)

Justin Moed - Democrat IA Rep - Maintained sexting relationship with Sydney Leathers, purchased gifts for her, etc. Apologized to constinuency. (While married)

Paul Morrison - Democrat AK Agn - Attorney General, confessed to an affair with addministrative staffer. (while married)

Joseph Morrissey - Democrat VA Rep - Had an affair with his 17 year old receptionist and impregnated her. (while married)

Gavin Newsom - Democrat CA May - San Fran Mayor, In 2007, confessed to an affair with his secretary, Ruby Rippey. (while married)

David Patterson - Democrat NY Gov - Numerous extramarital affairs, confessed after getting elected and sworn in.

Paul Patton - Democrat KY Gov - Confessed to an affair in 2002. (while married)

Mel Reynolds - Democrat IL Rep - 12 counts of sexual assault with a 16 year old.

Fred Richmond - Democrat NY Rep - Arrested in 78 for soliciting sex with a 16 year old (also tax evasion)

Charles Robb - Democrat VA Rep - Cheated on wife (Lyndon Johnson's daughter) with Tai Collins (Miss Virginia).

Gus Savage - Democrat IL Rep - Fondled an under age peace corp volunteer while on a business trip.

Harold Scott - Democrat MI Rep - Convicted on rape charges and sentenced to prison in 1988 (While married)

Derrick Sheperd - Democrat LA Sen - Arrested for solicitation of a stripper w/ tax payer money.

Eliot Spitzer - Democrat NY Gov - Solicitation and sexual misconduct with a prostitute. (While married)

Gerald Springer - Democrat OH May - Admitted to paying a prostitute with a personal check, which was found in a police raid on a massage parlor. (While Married)

Gerry Studds - Democrat MA Rep - Censured for sexual relations with an underage male page.

Antonio Villaraigosa - Democrat CA May - LA Mayor, confessed to an affair in 2007 with a news reporter. (while married)

Sol Wachtler - Democrat NY Jud - In 1993, he was sentenced to 15 months in prison for extortion in connection with his harassment of an ex-lover.

Anthony Weiner - Democrat NY Rep - In 2011, he confessed to tweeting / e-mailing innapropriate photos to a college girl. (while married)

Bob Wise - Democrat WV Gov - In 2003, had an affair with a state government staffer.

Patrick Wojahn - Democrat MD May - In 2023, charged with 40 counts of possession of child exploitative material and 16 felony counts of distributing child pornography.

David Wu - Democrat Or Rep - In 2011, had an affair with a minor, and friend of a campaign contributor (while married). He resigned from Congress.

John Young - Democrat TX Rep - Increased salaried staffer after sexual affair. (While married)


... I think this list is old though, because it doesn't include our Tallahassee Mayor who ran for Governor against DeSantis last time (and lost). He was found unconscious in a hotel room with two male prostitutes, and unconscious from a drug overdose.

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quote Originally posted by cliffw: Others define a "successful family man" as a guy who married another guy and calls itself a wife, and adopted two kids

If he is happy and has a solid nuclear family then I would say he was a very successful family man. People who adopt are a blessing to this country.

How do you define "success" when talking about a "family man"? Does Donald Trump meet your definition? Are people who adopt "failures"?

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quote Originally posted by BingB: And this is not true because there are not enough openings at free inpatient re-hab facilities to handle all of the homeless people with drug addiction problems. to prove this I posted a link saying that there were not enough. And please stop posting lists of rehab facilities. I never said there were no rehab facilities in Florida. The problem is that there are not enough. I posted a link to prove my point. All you posted was a list of rehabs that proves nothing.

This is what I'm talking about... you argue semantics for the purpose of trying to win an argument, which ... I don't even understand why you have conversations then to begin with.

No one is hypothesizing or speculating that magically... Thanos will come in and flick his fingers, and all of a sudden, every single homeless and drug-addicted person will simultaneously seek out inpatient drug rehab. NO ONE IS SAYING THIS. But you are literally using this as a core argument, which is ludicrous.

What I'm saying is... there are a LOT of options for people who are currently drug addicted:
1 - First option, they decide to get off drugs and check into an inpatient facility... which there are plenty that are willing to take them right now.
2 - Second option, they decide to get off drugs and go to an outpatient facility... which then allows them to ALSO spend the night in a homeless shelter.
3 - Third option, they decide to keep using drugs in Florida, and they get arrested and put in jail, and if they're a repeat offender, they'll get an all-expenses paid trip and lodging to court-ordered inpatient rehab.
4 - Fourth option, they leave the state, or find somewhere in the woods to keep using drugs, away from the public.


#1 and 2 require them to want to get help.


There are homeless in Florida... they just know that they have to find somewhere in the woods to live, because the counties do not allow vagrancy (sometimes the police officers will let it slide if they aren't causing trouble).

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: But if we're not just talking about presidents... well then... there's the Democrat Sexual Misconduct List....

All those Democrats are just expressing their personal identity, but Trump is a sinner. Why can't all you rubes understand that?

quote Originally posted by williegoat: All those Democrats are just expressing their personal identity, but Trump is a sinner. Why can't all you rubes understand that?

Yes, it didn't go unnoticed by me that Fred didn't respond to that. The Democrat party absolutely holds first place for most immoral if we're questioning adherence to traditional morals... so I find it so hypocritical when a Democrat calls out a Republican for something that's deemed immoral, as if they are so offended by it. It's like... HAVE I GOT NEWS FOR YOU!!!

Here is the bottom line: I will vote for a lecher who can keep America strong and prosperous, rather than a babbling fool who will throw us to the wolves.

And no, Jim, I did not just say that Trump is a lecher. But as far as the babbling fool, take your pick among the many qualified Dems.

Hmmm, look at how the Trump offspring turned out, vs the Biden offspring.

Nobody has even mentioned that the Trump campaign headquarters were hacked. Probably Putin just trying to help.

Kamala is a big Trump fan.

She now wants to make tips tax free (after the B/H administration went after tips) and she's ending her rallys with 'fight, fight, fight.'

Next she will don an orange wig and wear a red hat....
I wonder how long the stolen valor failed governor will stay on the ticket?

Tampon Tim

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quote Originally posted by williegoat: Nobody has even mentioned that the Trump campaign headquarters were hacked. Probably Putin just trying to help.

I know... I was thinking about that the other day... if it was the other way around, they'd have called it "Iranian Collusion." In this case, ONLY the Republican campaign was hacked. When last time both DNC and RNC were hacked, they still called it Russian Collusion. Turns out the collusion was from the Hillary campaign.

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Bing, you keep trying to reshape my argument into something you feel that you can win. This is a weird way to have a discussion...

Todd, you keep trying to reshape my comments into something you feel that you can win, in an argument with a different person! This is a weird way to have a discussion.

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I've simply said, liberal states have the most homelessness. It actually rejects Patrick's assumption that they're all going to California because the weather is more moderate.

This is a nasty habit you have, honed over the years here, of totally misrepresenting something that someone else has posted, and using it in an argument against another person. It's a rather sad and sneaky way of trying to supplement your desperate arguments.

quote Originally posted by Patrick Here: ...the climate plays a huge role why transients end up on the west coast... whether that be in the US or in Canada. It's relatively mild year round.

quote Originally posted by Patrick Here: It (the climate) is a major contributing factor, whether you care to admit it or not. Nobody is going to sleep on the street in most parts of Canada in the dead of winter. However, they can do so in Vancouver (usually), and not freeze to death.

I take umbrage with you trying to twist what I've stated into something it's not. I never said the mild climate was the only reason (as you're implying) that the homeless migrate to the west coast of the US and Canada.

If you wish to bring my comments up in discussion with a third party, I would appreciate it if you would please quote me. In doing so, the person you're addressing can see for themselves what was actually stated. Thank-you.

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quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Turns out the collusion was from the Hillary campaign.

This is not true.

There was a huge investigation. You probably did not hear about all the results on your right-wing propaganda sources, but it did not exonerate Trump on the collusion charges. It just did not find enough evidence to accuse him of a crime. Part of the reason was that Trump tried to obstruct the investigation.

But there was ZERO evidence that the Hillary campaign had colluded with the Russians. Since the Russian interference helped Trump win it makes no sense to try and blame it on Hillary.

And, yes, I can cite the passages from the Meuller Report that support everything I say here.

You have to be seriously brainwashed by right-wing propaganda to claim Hillary colluded with Russia.