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Conservatism by olejoedad
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An essay regarding conservatism through the years...

https://imprimis.hillsdale....ism-and-americanism/

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missing big chunks of that story
pre-civil war all the slave owning con's
post civil war jim crow con's
after ww1 the 3 con's who created the great DEPRESSION
AFTER WW2 the new jim crow con's
john birch boys and voting rights wars [guess who lost]
only then before st ron we had a very tricky dickie

guess it is eazy to see why you want to skip all the REAL HISTORY
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Originally posted by olejoedad:

An essay regarding conservatism through the years...

https://imprimis.hillsdale....ism-and-americanism/

I agree 100%. The current conservative movement (Third wave Nat Cons) is more about religion and culture than political policy.

Freedom of speech as long as you don't say anything about gay people or the history of racism in America.

Equal protection under the law as long as you are not a member of the LGBTQ community.

"God given" rights, but only from one specific god.

But here is the high comedy section

"The National Conservative Statement of Principles recognizes that progressives have already achieved dominance in American universities, K–­12 education, the media, Fortune 500 corporations, entertainment, Big Tech, Big Philanthropy, Big Law, the administrative state, many state and local bureaucracies, and the leadership of the military and the intelligence agencies."

--Media?. . . The #1 news organization in America is a right-wing propaganda machine.

--Fortune 500 companies? . . . "The National Bureau of Economic Research ran the names of all individuals to have run a company listed in the S&P 1500 between 2000 and 2017 through federal campaign finance databases, which include contributions to both congressional and presidential candidates as well as party committees.

The result: 18.6% of CEOs consistently donated to Democrats, while 57.7% donated to Republicans, with the rest leaning toward neither party."
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05...crat-ceos/index.html

This is why Trump gave corporations a PERMANENT tax cut but had the one to individuals go away in 2025 (the year he thought he would be out of office)

--Big Philanthropy?. . . Over half of the charitable giving in the United States is church/religion based.

--Big Law?. . . WTF is "Big Law"? The Supreme Court is an overwhelming majority conservative and half of all federal judges are Republican appointees.

--State and local bureaucracies?. . . A majority of state legislatures are controlled by Republicans. This is the main reason conservatives want to take away the right for citizens to directly elect their Senators and give that power to the government.
This is the silliest pile of ridiculous fear mongering I have ever seen. This guys vitim card is so big he probably can't lift it.

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“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States,
and there has always been.
The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread...
nurtured by the false notion that democracy means
that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.''
- Isaac Asimov​

con's he is talking to you
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Originally posted by ray b:

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States,
and there has always been.
The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread...
nurtured by the false notion that democracy means
that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.''
- Isaac Asimov​

con's he is talking to you


1980 rant against ignorance and illiteracy. I recommend everyone read it.

https://aphelis.net/wp-cont...ult_of_Ignorance.pdf

Public education has had 44 years since then to educate the people. Are we more or less enlightened?

Can you read Isaac Asimov's article? If you did read it, what would Isaac think about your writing with a lack of capitalization, punctuation, one & two syllable words and use of caps lock?

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The first wave, symbolized by William F. Buckley, Jr. and Ronald Reagan, lasted from the mid-1950s to the end of the Cold War;
the second wave, symbolized by Paul Ryan and the two Bush presidencies, ran from the 1990s to roughly the second decade of this century;
and the third wave, symbolized by Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump, is ongoing.


This is a strange list. Buckley? If we aren’t sticking with Speaker/President why not Milton Freedman? Why not Newt Gingrich? Or, you know, ANY actual elected official?
…and Paul Ryan over any of the big NeoCons (Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney, Newt AGAIN)? This seems a little narrative-crafting-y to me.

Then again, that’s semantics to the point that he’s making about Keynesian conservatives and pro-free-market, fiscal conservatives. Call them ‘third wavers’ or ‘nat cons,’ what separates them is pro-government-intervention vs pro-free-market/personal freedom, and he nails that down solidly, if he slips after he does so.

His attempt to tie Reagan to Trump-esque nationalism falls flat the instant you remember that Reagan was so expressly against it that he concluded his farewell address by warning about it specifically. It would have been an extremely weak tie-in even if it did make sense.

Also, you have to studiously ignore Milton Friedman to pretend like the economic roots of the NeoCon movement weren’t solidly within the Reagan administration like this author does.

I do agree wholeheartedly with this characterization of NeoConservatives vs the current lot of more nationalist/social interventionist Republicans:

 
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Roy charges the NatCons with a “willing[ness] to abridge individual and economic freedom to fight the woke Left.”

Becoming National Socialists to own the libs.
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"Coming of age in a fascist police state will not be a barrel of fun for anybody, much less for people like me, who are not inclined to suffer Nazis gladly and feel only contempt for the cowardly flag-suckers who would gladly give up their outdated freedom to live for the mess of pottage they have been conned into believing will be freedom from fear.”
― Hunter S. Thompson, Kingdom of Fear: Loathsome Secrets of a Star-Crossed Child in the Final Days of the American Century

“The slow-rising central horror of "Watergate" is not that it might grind down to the reluctant impeachment of a vengeful thug of a president whose entire political career has been a monument to the same kind of cheap shots and treachery he finally got nailed for, but that we might somehow fail to learn something from it.”
― Hunter S. Thompson Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail ’72

It is not a coincidence that the people responsible for taking America to war directly benefit financially. Politicians and their corporate sponsors have tricked ordinary Americans into thinking legitimate enemies exist and must be confronted. The truth is there are no enemies, only business opportunities.

trump is nixon withOUT any of nixon's good ideas
clean water WET LANDS EPA ECT

HE IS THE RUMP for wanting to end all that for a few extra bucks
if the buck went to the workers fine

BUT SOMEHOW IT NEVER DOES

THEY PROMISE

they lie
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Originally posted by ray b:

"Coming of age in a fascist police state will not be a barrel of fun for anybody, much less for people like me, who are not inclined to suffer Nazis gladly and feel only contempt for the cowardly flag-suckers who would gladly give up their outdated freedom to live for the mess of pottage they have been conned into believing will be freedom from fear.”
― Hunter S. Thompson, Kingdom of Fear: Loathsome Secrets of a Star-Crossed Child in the Final Days of the American Century

“The slow-rising central horror of "Watergate" is not that it might grind down to the reluctant impeachment of a vengeful thug of a president whose entire political career has been a monument to the same kind of cheap shots and treachery he finally got nailed for, but that we might somehow fail to learn something from it.”
― Hunter S. Thompson Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail ’72

It is not a coincidence that the people responsible for taking America to war directly benefit financially. Politicians and their corporate sponsors have tricked ordinary Americans into thinking legitimate enemies exist and must be confronted. The truth is there are no enemies, only business opportunities.

trump is nixon withOUT any of nixon's good ideas
clean water WET LANDS EPA ECT

HE IS THE RUMP for wanting to end all that for a few extra bucks
if the buck went to the workers fine

BUT SOMEHOW IT NEVER DOES

THEY PROMISE

they lie

You really are a conformist, a square. Try reading something that is not on the "fake hippy approved" list.
Now go put on your granny glasses and tie dyes, and pop that worn out copy of American Beauty on the record player.
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(snip)

It is not a coincidence that the people responsible for taking America to war directly benefit financially. Politicians and their corporate sponsors have tricked ordinary Americans into thinking legitimate enemies exist and must be confronted.

(snip)



The above paragraph is a good description of every modern president, with the exceptions of Eisenhower, Reagan and Trump.

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The above paragraph is a good description of every modern president, with the exceptions of Eisenhower, Reagan and Trump.




I don't understand. None of those Presidents took us into a war. But neither did a lot of other modern Presidents.

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I don't understand. None of those Presidents took us into a war. But neither did a lot of other modern Presidents.



What other modern Presidents ?
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What other modern Presidents ?

Neither Obama nor Biden took us into any war. Bush was the one who took us into Iraq and Afghanistan.

Clinton did not take us into any war. There were military actions in the Balkans and Haiti, but nothing any more serious that under Reagan in Beruit, Grenada, Tripoli, and Libya.


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WHY IS THERE NO CON WHO IS KNOWN TO BE HONEST ?

lots of lying scum
no truth tellers
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WHY IS THERE NO CON WHO IS KNOWN TO BE HONEST ?

lots of lying scum
no truth tellers


Did they let you out of rehab or did you go off your meds again?
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WHY IS THERE NO CON WHO IS KNOWN TO BE HONEST ?

lots of lying scum
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Did they let you out of rehab or did you go off your meds again?


WHY NOT JUST NAME ONE TRUTH TELLER ?

YOU CAN'T

SO ATTACK ME FOR TELLING THE TRUTH

AGAIN NO CON TELLS THE TRUTH
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WHY NOT JUST NAME ONE TRUTH TELLER ?

Donald John Trump.



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Did they let you out of rehab or did you go off your meds again?


DID JESUS TELL YOU TO SAY THAT ?
FALSE WITNESS MUCH
AS IN JUST MAKE UP LIES
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You can't take away from the dude's ability to look smug as all hell. This would make a better avatar than the Grumpy Cat Trump you currently have imho.
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Donald John Trump.




LOL THE LYING SCUM AS TRUTH TELLER
CLASSIC Gop TROLL
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You can't take away from the dude's ability to look smug as all hell. This would make a better avatar than the Grumpy Cat Trump you currently have imho.

Clear your cache.
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WHY NOT JUST NAME ONE TRUTH TELLER ?

YOU CAN'T

SO ATTACK ME FOR TELLING THE TRUTH

AGAIN NO CON TELLS THE TRUTH


It's certainly NOT you!
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Clear your cache.



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It's certainly NOT you!


god bothered cult members are never allowed to understand the truth

people who want to impose their fairy tales on others just do not ever get it
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god bothered cult members are never allowed to understand the truth

people who want to impose their fairy tales on others just do not ever get it


Not intending to be rude, but we have never seen you post anything that resembles reality or truth...
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Not intending to be rude, but we have never seen you post anything that resembles reality or truth...


REREAD THE ABOVE POST
YOUR CULT WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO UNDERSTAND

IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE CULT YOU ARE NOT A MEMBER

so yes from your cults view you can't see truth
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Not intending to be rude, but we have never seen you post anything that resembles reality or truth...



**EDIT**

My mistake.

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I constantly post links to prove that what I post is true. I have even done it in this thread.

This does not make you sound "rude". It just makes you sound very stupid and blind to the truth.


Well, now you're getting personal. If you only knew him, you'd back up so fast you'd be running backwards.
Joe is one of the brightest men I know.

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I constantly post links to prove that what I post is true. I have even done it in this thread.

This does not make you sound "rude". It just makes you sound very stupid and blind to the truth.


I wasn't replying to you.
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I constantly post links to prove that what I post is true. I have even done it in this thread.

This does not make you sound "rude". It just makes you sound very stupid and blind to the truth.


And if you knew blackrams, you would probably run away screaming.
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And if you knew blackrams, you would probably run away screaming.





You raise an interesting point. I don't think that he has any grasp at all as to who he talking to, especially with regard to age, education, professional achievement, life experience, etc.

The arrogance that he regularly displays bespeaks a relatively unaccomplished adolescent, or young adult, who thinks that everyone else is a knuckle dragging, unlettered, moron.

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First impressions mean a lot.
If someone comes along and starts in as an antagonizer, that person will be antagonized in return.

OTOH, come along with a friendly, curious and polite attitude, that will be returned two-fold.

Ya gits whatcha give.
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You raise an interesting point. I don't think that he has any grasp at all as to who he talking to, especially with regard to age, education, professional achievement, life experience, etc.

The arrogance that he regularly displays bespeaks a relatively unaccomplished adolescent, or young adult, who thinks that everyone else is a knuckle dragging, unlettered, moron.


you only post BS in a very arrogated tone
what you have to be arrogance about is unknown
but you have arrogance levels off the scale

used mostly to denigrate others here
the few not in your rump cult
only cubans think arrogance is a virtue to be maximized
and the most very extreme off the scale RWNJ's
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only cubans think arrogance is a virtue to be maximized

Is there any race, religion or nationality that you do not hate?
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I wasn't replying to you.

I apologize. I see my mistake and I have corrected it.
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Originally posted by williegoat:

Is there any race, religion or nationality that you do not hate?


cuban's many who are white are not a different race from me culture yes race no
please learn the difference

religion Buddhism is moderately ok
the big 3 or the hindu are worthless but dangerous in extreme

the cubans of mixed race
seldom are the cubans
who think arrogance
is a virtue to be maximized
you do understand the local cuban refugees are far far far right of Genghis Khan
and make you look like a commie simp

you do understand miami is now more cuban then wasp by far
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and yes I object to nationality if other then USA
IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE HERE 100%

PLEASE LEAVE and go back where ever
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Originally posted by ray b:


cuban's many who are white are not a different race from me culture yes race no
please learn the difference

religion Buddhism is moderately ok
the big 3 or the hindu are worthless but dangerous in extreme

the cubans of mixed race
seldom are the cubans
who think arrogance
is a virtue to be maximized
you do understand the local cuban refugees are far far far right of Genghis Khan
and make you look like a commie simp

you do understand miami is now more cuban then wasp by far

Is there any race, religion or nationality that you do not hate?

You forget that I was born and raised in Florida and first learned Spanish from a couple of Cubanas.
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Originally posted by ray b:

and yes I object to nationality if other then USA
IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE HERE 100%

PLEASE LEAVE and go back where ever

MAGA!!!


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