What am I missing ? Palistinians elected their own overlords (Hamas). They have their own territory. Gaza and the West Bank. What makes them not a State ?
Fact is, the Israels were the only one helping the Palestinians.
a state controls its trade gaza is a prison ruled by the jews the arabs have no control of who or what comes or goes
killing kids with jets and tanks is ''HELPING'' TO NUT CON TROLLS MY COUNTRY'S JETS AND TANKS USED IN A CITY ON CIVILIANS
LET IMAGINE THE ALIENS ARM THE NATIVE INDIANS WITH DEATH RAYS AND AND X-WINGS AND AT-ATS AND NOW THEY WANT THEIR LAND BACK AND PUT YOU IN PRISON CAMPS IF YOU SURVIVE THE CONQUEST NOW YOU ARE A CITIZEN OF A NEW GAZA
Originally posted by cliffw: What am I missing ? Palistinians elected their own overlords (Hamas). They have their own territory. Gaza and the West Bank. What makes them not a State ?
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Originally posted by NewDustin: A lot. You are dramatically over-simplifying the political and social issues that have played into the region's history. Blaming people for their own oppression may be emotionally satisfying, but it is just-world bias manifest.
I would also argue that the way Israel handles Gaza and the West Bank are prime examples of how the Palestinians do not have a state. Imagine Mexico passing a law that allowed "Mexican Settlers" to evict folks living in Aztlan and re-establish Mexican settlements there. Wouldn't you assume us having a sovereign state would stop that from happening?
Interesting. Thoughtful.
The political and social issues that the Palestinians have many facets. Many of which require history lessons. It is hard to talk about them except generalizing.
Israel's handling of Gaza and the West Bank is theirs to decide on as they won the territories after war was declared on them.
In 1967, the Six-Day War erupted; in its aftermath, Israel captured and occupied the Golan Heights from Syria, the West Bank from Jordan, and the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt. In 1973, the Yom Kippur War began with an attack by Egypt on the Israeli-occupied Sinai Peninsula.
On October 7th Palestine decided to declare war. Israel never bothered the Palestinians until then, even though they were constantly bombarded by Iranian rockets. I see nothing wrong with eliminating launching sites whether by land or sea.
Of note, they has never been a State of Palestine which the Palestinians have owned.
Originally posted by cliffw: Fact is, the Israels were the only one helping the Palestinians.
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Originally posted by NewDustin: Can you provide more information on this?
I shouldn't have said the only ones. The only ones I know of. Israel allows many to come daily to get and work jobs. Gaza has no industry, schools of higher learning, likely not even allowing women to go to any school. I can not think of any exports Gaza makes.
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Nathanial Greene-NinetySix > Cons R Lyin' a day ago . ' Destroy all Nazi-Hamas and their sympathizers ! ' What part of that statement don't you understand ? ' If you don't attack us, we won't destroy you ! ' Seem to be missing the message, do you require an explosive device in your nearby future ? That would be fair, and just. Biblical consequence for evil. ' A pillar of fire before the avenging army ' Would 100 for every hostage taken be too cruel for you ? 1000 ? I think not. ~ It's us Johnny ! . ' We Jews have a secret weapon in our struggle with the Arabs; we have no place to go. ' ~ Golda Meir, 1969 . ' It’s because Egypt and Syria and the other Arab countries refuse to acquiesce to our existence. Therefore there can be no compromise. They say we must be dead. And we say we want to be alive. Between life and death, I don’t know of a compromise. And that’s why we have no choice. ' ~ Golda Meir, 1973 . ' Blasted out of existence, the Nazi-Hamas zombies attacked no more. ' See ? ' It's what they understand ! ' The Golan Heights Ben Shapiro, Jun 5, '21
They have a long history of exporting Iranian missiles....though they don't always know where they are going.
and you accuse me of lies for reporting the true plans of the jews for gaza's arabs yes they do smuggle a bit most prisons do so what it is still a prison
and you accuse me of lies for reporting the true plans of the jews for gaza's arabs yes they do smuggle a bit most prisons do so what it is still a prison
' Destroy Nazi-Hamas and all their sympathizers ! ' Seems like a logical strategy, no more Hamas, no more attacks, ' Why, that's brilliant Benjamin ! ' Peace in the Middle East ! ' The Nazi-Hamas zombies respond to high explosives rationally, always ducking for cover ! ' ' We should float a few cargo ships into Beirut, 500,000 tons of anfo, blast the Hezbollah into history ! ' ' That would work, an economical way to purchase peace for a few decades ! ' ' It would knock down all the high rises into piles of rubble. ' ' No doubt, a really big boom ! ' ' An H-bomb ! 1917 Halifax X 100 ! ' That's a plan ! ' Yeah, a few container ships full of anfo, that might work ! ' 1921 Oppau
There never was a "partition of Palestine". The State of Palestine" never existed.
Didn't you brag that you was a history teacher ?
da jews are now killing the residents of the west bank both the jews terrorist army and the settler occupiers
they can't get along with anyone as they never are fair or just . but just stealing the land and if the native arabs object they kill they and call them terrorist
no justice no peace no one state religion should be support by my taxes
' Destroy Nazi-Hamas and all their sympathizers ! ' Seems like a logical strategy, no more Hamas, no more attacks, ' Why, that's brilliant Benjamin ! ' Peace in the Middle East ! ' The Nazi-Hamas zombies respond to high explosives rationally, always ducking for cover ! ' ' We should float a few cargo ships into Beirut, 500,000 tons of anfo, blast the Hezbollah into history ! ' ' That would work, an economical way to purchase peace for a few decades ! ' ' It would knock down all the high rises into piles of rubble. ' ' No doubt, a really big boom ! ' ' An H-bomb ! 1917 Halifax X 100 ! ' That's a plan ! ' Yeah, a few container ships full of anfo, that might work ! ' 1921 Oppau
I do note a failure to get along with all others BECAUSE THEY DO NOT PLAY FAIR OR JUST
AND ONLY WANT TO STEAL THE LAND OF THE NATIVES
NO JUSTICE NO PEACE THEY JEWS NEED TO BE JUST AND STOP STEALING THE LAND
da jews are now killing the residents of the west bank both the jews terrorist army and the settler occupiers
they can't get along with anyone as they never are fair or just . but just stealing the land and if the native arabs object they kill they and call them terrorist
no justice no peace no one state religion should be support by my taxes
At this point, I'm totally OK with Israel completely taking over these land areas that we refer to as Palestine.
I used to feel that a two-state solution was the right one, but the left has since convinced me otherwise.
What an amazing example of a person who sacrifices his logic in order to follow his party.
Based on logic he used to support a two-state solution. But now he has changed his mind based on nothing other than the party affiliation of the group that would support a two-state solution.
This is pretty common on the right. Their party affiliation controls all of their decisions.
What an amazing example of a person who sacrifices his logic in order to follow his party.
Based on logic he used to support a two-state solution. But now he has changed his mind based on nothing other than the party affiliation of the group that would support a two-state solution.
This is pretty common on the right. Their party affiliation controls all of their decisions.
Not exactly... my views have absolutely nothing to do with the "right." I don't even know what the "right's" views are on this.
It has to do with how reckless and chaotic the radical left has been. It also has to do with me accepting the facts that I know, and realizing there's no way in our lifetime that "palestinians" will ever accept any kind of peace. I've posted the poll before. More than 91% of "palestinians" would kill all Jews if they had the chance, where-as only 60% of Germans would during the time of WW2. That puts into perspective how radicalized the people of that territory is.
My wife is Jewish, which makes my daughter in part, Jewish as well (though I'm Catholic and she goes to Catholic church with me every Sunday). But even at her school, there are dumb kids who scream "free palestine" without even knowing what it means, or why they should or shouldn't care. They make ruthless comments towards her when she finds out her mother is Jewish... and I live in a conservative area.
So, mind you, with all the protests, the stupid Millennials, and the ignorance abound on the left. I am absolutely certain that these people who call themselves "palestinians" would be much better off under Israeli rule. Their neighborhoods wouldn't look like complete **** -holes.
I don't like death, so I'd love to have all of Hamas, and even those remotely resembling Hamas, all shipped out to Guantanamo Bay. There's PLENTY of room at Camp Delta, Alpha, V, X-Ray, etc. LOTS and LOTS of room. We can send them off there for re-training, or they can spend the rest of their lives sharing "50 Shades of Gray" with eachother and participating in "splashing" rituals (If you've never been to GTMO like I have, you wouldn't understand either of those jokes).
Originally posted by cliffw: There never was a "partition of Palestine".
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Originally posted by BingB: The United Nations Resolution designed to create the State of Israel was called "The Partition of Palestine" Not "The Creation of Palestine".
Something has to exist as a whole BEFORE it can ever be partitioned.
The Palestine of which you speak is a region, not a State. Are you saying the UN took land from the Palestinians and formed Israel ? You can not find a map prior to 1988 which has any State of Palestine. In fact, The Palestinian Declaration of Independence which formally established the State of Palestine was proclaimed by Yasser Arafat on 15 November 1988.
The Palestine of which you speak is a region, not a State. Are you saying the UN took land from the Palestinians and formed Israel ? You can not find a map prior to 1988 which has any State of Palestine. In fact, The Palestinian Declaration of Independence which formally established the State of Palestine was proclaimed by Yasser Arafat on 15 November 1988.
The areas of Palestine and TransJordan were part of the ottoman empires until World War One. The British captured the territory, and The UN gave them authority over it in the "Mandate for Palestine" in 1920.
You can play games with semantics, but the region of Arab Palestine has existed for many many years. The UN took part of Palestine to create a Jewish Nation.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Yes... since... what, 700 AD? Interestingly though... the Jews have been there for over 3,500 years.
NO THAT IS PURE PROPAGANDA
THERE WAS NO JEWISH EMPIRE THAT AREA WAS EGYPTIAN FROM 3000 BCE AFTER THEY LOST POWER THE NEW ASSYRIANS TOOK IT THEN THE MEDES THEN PERSIA THEN BIG AL'S GREEKS THEN THE ROMANS THEN THE GREEK/ROMANS ONLY THEN DO WE GET TO 700ACE AND MO'S GUYS personally attack IN THE HISTORY THERE ARE NO JEWISH EMPIRES ONLY IN THE BUYBULL A FAIRYTALE IS THERE A JEWISH EMPIRE AND THE BUYBULL IS NOT HISTORY OR FACT BASED JUST A STORY NO DATA
THE JEWS NEVER PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS NOT BACK THEN OR NOW
AT BEST THEY HAD VERY TEMPORARY SELF RULE BETWEEN BEING CONQUERED NO EMPIRE EVER
You can't "return" to a place if you are already there.
Google "diaspora" for more information.
Are you going to tell me the Earth is flat? or that Trump colluded with Russia, or that masks block COVID? Sigh... you're a friggin' conspiracy theorist. Next you're going to tell me the holocaust was faked.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Are you going to tell me the Earth is flat? or that Trump colluded with Russia, or that masks block COVID? Sigh... you're a friggin' conspiracy theorist. Next you're going to tell me the holocaust was faked.
sure the amount both in and out is reduced by a mask total blocks are magic charms or dreams of jesus masks reduce the spread
no we can't prove it but the timing was spot on so we know he did collude but can't prove it in court can prove treason but he is delay denigrate deflect never go to trial as you know he is guilty
How can there be a "partition of Palestine" if "Palestine" never existed?
Watching you conflate the new name(s), Provincia Syria Palaestina, that the Romans gave to the conquered region / land originally called Judea in 135 AD with a mythical nation / people is a real study in Leftist ignorance.
Believing the fairy tale of "Palestinian" nationalism requires the complete ignoring of the known, documented, history of the Jewish people in the region since 934 BC
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Originally posted by randye: Watching you conflate the new name(s), Provincia Syria Palaestina, that the Romans gave to the conquered region / land originally called Judea in 135 AD with a mythical nation / people is a real study in Leftist ignorance.
Believing the fairy tale of "Palestinian" nationalism requires the complete ignoring of the known, documented, history of the Jewish people in the region since 934 BC
YES THEY NEVER HAVE GOT ALONG WITH THE NEIGHBORS EVER
BTW REAL EVENT IN REAL EMPIRES IN 934 BCE
Neo-Assyrian Empire (934–609 BC)
The Neo-Assyrian Empire was an empire in Mesopotamian history which began in 934 BC and ended in 609 BC. During this period, Assyria assumed a position as the most powerful state on earth, successfully eclipsing Babylonia, Egypt, Urartu/Armenia and Elam for dominance of the Near East, Asia Minor, Caucasus, North Africa and east Mediterranean, though not until the reforms of Tiglath-Pileser III in the 8th century BC did it become a vast empire. Assyria was originally an Akkadian kingdom which evolved in the 25th to 24th Centuries BC. The earliest Assyrian kings such as Tudiya were relatively minor rulers, and after the founding of the Akkadian Empire, which lasted from 2334 BC to 2154 BC, these kings became subject to Sargon of Akkad, who united all the Akkadian and Sumerian speaking peoples of Mesopotamia under one rule.
Assyria finally succumbed to a coalition of Babylonians, Medes, Scythians, and others at the Fall of Nineveh in 612 BC, and the sacking of its last capital Harran in 608 BC. More than half a century later, Babylonia and Assyria became provinces of the Persian Empire. Though the Assyrians during the reign of Ashurbanipal destroyed the Elamite civilization, the Assyrians' culture did influence the succeeding empires of the Medes and the Persians, Indo-Iranian peoples who had been dominated by Assyria.
the Assyrian account diverges somewhat from the Biblical one; whereas the Assyrian inscriptions describes the campaign as a resounding success, in which tribute was regained, some states were annexed outright and Sennacherib even managed to stop Egyptian ambitions in the region, the Bible describes Sennacherib suffering a crushing defeat outside Jerusalem. Since Hezekiah, the king of Judah (who ruled Jerusalem), paid a heavy tribute to Sennacherib after the campaign, modern scholars consider it more likely that the Biblical account, motivated by theological concerns, is highly distorted and that Sennacherib succeeded in his goals of the campaign and re-imposed Assyrian authority in the region.[76] 19th-century reconstruction of Nineveh, made capital under Sennacherib
However, the biblical account does include the fact the Hezekiah paid a very large tribute to Sennacherib; it was only the siege and the attempt to entirely absorb Judah that was reported as ending in failure, according to 2 Chronicles 32.
paid off and became a vassal note the area of judah was very small ONLY NEAR THE CAPITAL AND DID NOT INC GAZA OR ANY COASTAL LAND AT ALL
BTW The Neo-Assyrian Empire DESTROYED THE NORTHERN jewish STATE COMPLETELY [killed] AND SURROUNDED JUDAH making it a vassal state no longer free before the 671bce when the The Neo-Assyrian Empire expanded into egypt right past the jews
so a small vassal kingdom does not equal an empire jews rule far less area and for a far shorter time then they claim they have been under others control from before 671bce a few hundred years at best while arabs had 1300 years of living there
"the Assyrian account diverges somewhat from the Biblical one; whereas the Assyrian inscriptions describes the campaign as a resounding success, in which tribute was regained, some states were annexed outright and Sennacherib even managed to stop Egyptian ambitions in the region, the Bible describes Sennacherib suffering a crushing defeat outside Jerusalem. Since Hezekiah, the king of Judah (who ruled Jerusalem), paid a heavy tribute to Sennacherib after the campaign, modern scholars consider it more likely that the Biblical account, motivated by theological concerns, is highly distorted and that Sennacherib succeeded in his goals of the campaign and re-imposed Assyrian authority in the region."
Jews "claim" to the land is "A magic guy in the sky said it would always be ours."
How could anyone possibly disagree with that?
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