I watched it. It's absolute left wing BS and anyone other than a MSNBC lackey would recognize that immediately. It's exactly this kind of biased, lying, crap that caused the left to lose the white house, the senate and any semblance of trust with the majority of the American voter.
so how come you never note the trump lies scam and pure bs lies
sure both do it
but trump is the all time champ at lies
but the cult never said peep WHY
TARIFFS CAUSED THE GREAT DEPRESSION TRUMP WANTS A RERUN NOW
Originally posted by blackrams: Remember the Bridge to No Where? Rams
Yes. Yes I do. Funded by the US government at the initiative of Alaska Senator Ted Stevens.
The Alaskan governor Sarah Palin's administration spent $25 million to build the Gravina Island Highway, which would have connected with the proposed bridge. According to Alaskan state officials, the road project went ahead because the money came from the federal government, and would otherwise have had to be returned.
Remember the California High Speed Rail, which was to connect all of California with quick transportation via a "Bullet Train" ? Funded with the US government, and California "Cap and Trade" Global Warming initiatives. Never completed.
Rams, if you threatened to kick my ass I will call you names in retaliation, . The North Eastern US customers ? Where does that electrical power come from ? The Niagara Falls ?
Cliff, Hey, don't threaten me with bad names or insults, I've got thick skin from previous "discussions" with others. Based on what I read, the power comes from Canada for much of our NE region of the US. I'm not qualified to comment more about it, only telling what I read. What I do believe is, such a retaliation could lead to even more things that no one is going to enjoy. So frick'n silly when there's such and obviously simple option. We all know how this is going to end, why make it more painful than it needs to be?
Rams
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Or, securing the border to both nations advantage.
And you don't know if this may indeed have already been agreed to/done.
I see the US/Canada border issue as a red herring. It was something that Trump could bring up as an excuse to declare/implement a 25% tariff on Canadian goods. He could go on indefinitely saying the border isn't secure enough. It's rather difficult for Joe Public to prove otherwise.
However, if for whatever reason Trump feels enough push-back at some point over these tariffs from within his own circle, I suspect that there'll be an announcement that the border is now secure enough and the tariffs (if implemented) can be lifted.
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And you don't know if this may indeed have already been agreed to/done.
I see the US/Canada border issue as a red herring. It was something that Trump could bring up as an excuse to declare/implement a 25% tariff on Canadian goods. He could go on indefinitely saying the border isn't secure enough. It's rather difficult for Joe Public to prove otherwise.
However, if for whatever reason Trump feels enough push-back at some point over these tariffs from within his own circle, I suspect that there'll be an announcement that the border is now secure enough and the tariffs (if implemented) can be lifted.
As you have noted and I have stated, I'm not within the President's circle of advisors. Could the same goal have been accomplished, maybe/maybe not. It seemed pretty obvious that Trudeau wasn't interested until the issue was forced on him, then he crumbled.
Edited: I honestly don't know when this issue will be settled but, 1 Feb. is just around the corner. Will DJT do it or not, I have no idea. But I suspect the next issue will be NATO funding.
Rams
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Originally posted by Patrick: It remains to be seen who "crumbled"... but in any sort of negotiation, there needs to be some flexibility by all parties involved.
Oh, maybe it's just perspective but, from my point of view there is no doubt who crumbled.
Regardless, is this negotiation or is it more like poker where the strongest hand wins? Maybe a bit of both.
Rams
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Yeah.. that and wanting so badly to be seen as king of the hill.
That, works both ways................ But, in this instance, we know who's at the top of the hill. It may be different eventually but, not in your or my lifetime.
Rams
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There's a difference between standing up to a bully... and being one.
Again, PERSPECTIVE. Do I think DJT is bullish, yep. Do I think he's a bully, nope. None of us know what is going on in the background. Knowing it's very unlikely you'll change your perspective; I'll simply leave things the way they are.
Edited to post this: Trump says tariffs on Canada and Mexico coming Saturday, and he's deciding whether to tax their oil
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump said his 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico are coming on Saturday, but he’s still considering whether to include oil from those countries as part of his import taxes.
“We may or may not,” Trump told reporters Thursday in the Oval Office about tariffing oil from Canada and Mexico. “We’re going to make that determination probably tonight.”
Trump said his decision will be based on whether the price of oil charged by the two trading partners is fair, although the basis of his threatened tariffs pertains to stopping illegal immigration and the smuggling of chemicals used for fentanyl.
The risk of tariffs on Canadian and Mexican oil could undermine Trump's repeated pledge to lower overall inflation by reducing energy costs. Costs associated with tariffs could be passed along to consumers in the form of higher gasoline prices — an issue that Trump placed at the center of his Republican presidential campaign as he vowed to halve energy costs within one year.
“One year from Jan. 20, we will have your energy prices cut in half all over the country,” Trump said at a 2024 town hall in Pennsylvania.
AP VoteCast, an extensive survey of the electorate, found that 80% of voters identified gas prices as a concern. Trump won nearly 6 in 10 voters who said they worried about prices at the pump.
The United States imported almost 4.6 million barrels of oil daily from Canada in October and 563,000 barrels from Mexico, according to the Energy Information Administration. U.S. daily production during that month averaged nearly 13.5 million barrels a day.
Matthew Holmes, executive vice president and chief of public policy at the Canadian Chamber of Commerce, said Trump's tariffs would “tax America first” in the form of higher costs.
“This is a lose-lose,” Holmes said. "We will keep working with partners to show President Trump and Americans that this doesn’t make life any more affordable. It makes life more expensive and sends our integrated businesses scrambling.”
But Trump showed no concerns that import taxes on the United States' trading partners would have a negative impact on the U.S. economy, despite the risk shown in many economic analyses of higher prices.
“We don’t need the products that they have," Trump said. "We have all the oil you need. We have all the trees you need, meaning the lumber.”
The president also said that China would pay tariffs for its exporting of the chemicals used to make fentanyl. He has previously stated a 10% tariff that would be on top of other import taxes charged on products from China.
Oil prices were trading at roughly $73 a barrel on Thursday afternoon. Prices spiked in June 2022 under President Joe Biden to more than $120 per barrel, a period that overlapped with overall inflation hitting a four-decade high that fueled a broader sense of public dissatisfaction with the Democratic administration.
Gas prices are averaging $3.12 a gallon across the United States, roughly the same price as a year ago, according to AAA.
No comment, just posting for those interested.
Rams
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Originally posted by Patrick: "whether to tax their oil"?
So then... who's showing signs of "crumbling" now?
Crumbling ? Heh heh heh. Not ! Canada might be able to sell their inferior oil to the USA for cheaper than to sell it thousands of miles away, at world prices. Costing Canada shipping costs.
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump will put in place 25% tariffs on imports from Canada and Mexico and 10% tariffs on goods from China effective on Saturday, the White House said, but it provided no word on whether there would be any exemptions to the measures that could result in swift price increases to U.S. consumers.
Trump had been threatening the tariffs to ensure greater cooperation from the countries on stopping illegal immigration and the smuggling of chemicals used for fentanyl, but he has also pledged to use tariffs to boost domestic manufacturing and raise revenues for the federal government.
“Starting tomorrow, those tariffs will be in place,” White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt told reporters. “These are promises made and promises kept by the president.”
The tariffs carry both political and economic risks for Trump, who is just two weeks into his second term. Many voters backed the Republican on the promise that he could tamp down inflation, but the possibility of tariffs could trigger higher prices and potentially disrupt the energy, auto, lumber and agricultural sectors.
Trump had said he was weighing issuing an exemption for Canadian and Mexican oil imports, but Leavitt said she had no information to share on the president's decision on any potential carveouts.
The United States imported almost 4.6 million barrels of oil daily from Canada in October and 563,000 barrels from Mexico, according to the Energy Information Administration. U.S. daily production during that month averaged nearly 13.5 million barrels a day.
Trump has previously stated a 10% tariff on Chinese imports would be on top of other import taxes charged on products from the country.
Shortly after Leavitt spoke, the S&P 500 stock index sold off and largely erased its gains on the day.
Both Canada and Mexico have said they’ve prepared the option of retaliatory tariffs to be used if necessary, which in turn could trigger a wider trade conflict that economic analyses say could hurt growth and further accelerate inflation.
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Friday that Canada is ready is a respond if Trump goes ahead with the tariffs, but he did not give details.
“We’re ready with a response, a purposeful, forceful but reasonable, immediate response,” he said. “It’s not what we want, but if he moves forward, we will also act.”
Trudeau said tariffs would have “disastrous consequences” for the U.S, putting American jobs at risk and causing prices to rise. Trudeau reiterated that less than 1% of the fentanyl and illegal crossings into the U.S. come from Canada.
Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum said Friday that Mexico has maintained a dialogue with Trump’s team since before he returned to the White House, but she emphasized that Mexico has a “Plan A, Plan B, Plan C for what the United States government decides."
“Now it is very important that the Mexican people know that we are always going to defend the dignity of our people, we are always going to defend the respect of our sovereignty and a dialogue between equals, as we have always said, without subordination,” Sheinbaum said.
Crumbling ? Heh heh heh. Not ! Canada might be able to sell their inferior oil to the USA for cheaper than to sell it thousands of miles away, at world prices. Costing Canada shipping costs.
All oil, is sold on the open market, at market prices. (crappy heavy/sour oil is sold at a discount to light sweet oil tho). Pipeline fees are a separate charge.
I have to admit, after reading comments from both Americans and Mexicans & Canadians all over the Web, that it is just SO refreshing to see that us/we Americans have such great friends that are looking after our welfare and wellbeing here in the USA. I have seen it said by our Northern and Southern neighbors SO many times. "It's going to hurt you Americans SO much..DON'T Do IT!! DON'T Do It!" It seemingly has become their national mantras, in such a selfless effort to save us from our policies and they're willing to go to any ends to prevent us from hurting ourselves, having only the United States consumers' financial bottom line at heart.
"Ain't it great to have a pal, to look after things and keep up morale? Sound off, one two, sound off 3-4, cadence count 1-2-3-4, onetwo, 3-4!.."
Your wallet was full as full can be" "'cause Canada filled it financially" "Aint it great to have a pal" "Who works so hard to keep up the morale" "Sound off" "One two" "Sound off" Three four" "Cadence Count" "One two three four one two.....three four"
It reminds me of them Mex/Cans taking us (USA) to world court to get us to end our Country Of Origin Labeling (COOL) back in 2015. Obviously, COOL was harming us in some way that we didn't even see. THANKS NEIGHBORS!!
Originally posted by blackrams: Cliff, This may be of interest to you. Rams
I have heard much of that from other sources. Let me comment on snippets of it.
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WASHINGTON (AP) “Starting tomorrow, those tariffs will be in place,” White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt told reporters. “These are promises made and promises kept by the president.”
The tariffs carry both political and economic risks for Trump, who is just two weeks into his second term. Many voters backed the Republican on the promise that he could tamp down inflation, but the possibility of tariffs could trigger higher prices and potentially disrupt the energy, auto, lumber and agricultural sectors.
I am reminded when they outlawed cigarette smoking in restaurants and bars. There was a disruption of revenue. It balanced out.
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WASHINGTON (AP) The United States imported almost 4.6 million barrels of oil daily from Canada in October and 563,000 barrels from Mexico, according to the Energy Information Administration. U.S. daily production during that month averaged nearly 13.5 million barrels a day.
We can replace Canada's 4.6 million barrels of oil daily and Mexico's 563,000 barrels.. I will tell you, nothing spurs the drilling industry like high oil prices.
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WASHINGTON (AP) Both Canada and Mexico have said they’ve prepared the option of retaliatory tariffs to be used if necessary, which in turn could trigger a wider trade conflict that economic analyses say could hurt growth and further accelerate inflation.
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Friday that Canada is ready is a respond if Trump goes ahead with the tariffs, but he did not give details.
“We’re ready with a response, a purposeful, forceful but reasonable, immediate response,” he said. “It’s not what we want, but if he moves forward, we will also act.”
Trudeau said tariffs would have “disastrous consequences” for the U.S, putting American jobs at risk and causing prices to rise. Trudeau reiterated that less than 1% of the fentanyl and illegal crossings into the U.S. come from Canada.
Are we supposed to be scared ? Why didn't Trudeau tell us what his response would be ? He was warned about tariffs. What should we be scared about.
Trudeau knows that the fentanyl and illegal crossings is not the whole issue Trump has with Canada. Trudeau and Patrick are two peas in a pod. Both deeply concerned about our repercussions from Trump's actions.
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WASHINGTON (AP) Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum said Friday that Mexico has maintained a dialogue with Trump’s team since before he returned to the White House, but she emphasized that Mexico has a “Plan A, Plan B, Plan C for what the United States government decides."
“Now it is very important that the Mexican people know that we are always going to defend the dignity of our people, we are always going to defend the respect of our sovereignty and a dialogue between equals, as we have always said, without subordination,” Sheinbaum said.
Now that scares me (not). Three plans of nothing to be scared about.
So, I guess that's it... tariffs took effect this morning.
and so the crash starts slowly major Gop depression # ? 6 or 7 I lost count 3 major before 1900 1929=hoover raygun80's 2008 BuSh2 rump covid crash 2020
and so the crash starts slowly major Gop depression # ? 6 or 7 I lost count 3 major before 1900 1929=hoover raygun80's 2008 BuSh2 rump covid crash 2020
You simplify very complex situations because of your distain for the Republican party. Dig deeper. Analyze.
You simplify very complex situations because of your distain for the Republican party. Dig deeper. Analyze.
just the facts JACK
3 depressions call panic's all Gop before 1900 The panics in 1884, 1890, 1899, 1901, and 1908 were confined to New York and nearby cities and states. The panics in 1873, 1893, and 1907 spread throughout the nation.
demo leaders do NOT cause depressions luck or skill I do NOT CARE WHY THE BAD ONE, ALL THE BAD ONE'S, HAPPEN UNDER THE Gop ONLY
THE WORST ONE WAS 1929 WORLD WIDE CAUSE TARIFFS UNDER Gop LEADERSHIP RUMP WANTS A RERUN NOW WAKE UP TARIFFS CAUSE DEPRESSIONS RUMP WILL CAUSE A DEPRESSION
IT AIN'T ABOUT FEAR OR HOPE FACTS ARE ALL KNOWN RUMP CAUSED A RECESSION AND INFLATION LAST TIME THIS TIME WILL BE WORSE AS TARIFFS CAUSE DEPRESSIONS
Your thought is logical. Our inflation has much to do with fuel costs to deliver products. However, the customer is king. They shop prices.
If they sell on the world standard oil prices, I don't see how they could place shipping costs on oil.
I admit, I am not sure.
Oil is almost always priced FOB. Free on Board which means it is the price at the producing company/country's dock. When you buy a oil futures contract (minimum of 1000 bbls) you have only 2 options. Take delivery of it or sell the contract. Getting it where the buyer wants it is on the buyer...unless he contracts to buy it 'as delivered' and then the delivery/shipping is built in to the price according to however the 2 agree to. But, most crude oil contracts are just sold on or before their delivery date. That's how most ppl make money in oil (and lots of other things)
It doesn't matter if we are using our oil or anther country's. There's still going to be pipeline or barge (or both) fees in getting it to refinery. Odessa is LOTS closer to Baytown/Beaumont than the Northern international border is.
3 depressions call panic's all Gop before 1900 The panics in 1884, 1890, 1899, 1901, and 1908 were confined to New York and nearby cities and states. The panics in 1873, 1893, and 1907 spread throughout the nation.
demo leaders do NOT cause depressions luck or skill I do NOT CARE WHY THE BAD ONE, ALL THE BAD ONE'S, HAPPEN UNDER THE Gop ONLY
THE WORST ONE WAS 1929 WORLD WIDE CAUSE TARIFFS UNDER Gop LEADERSHIP RUMP WANTS A RERUN NOW WAKE UP TARIFFS CAUSE DEPRESSIONS RUMP WILL CAUSE A DEPRESSION
IT AIN'T ABOUT FEAR OR HOPE FACTS ARE ALL KNOWN RUMP CAUSED A RECESSION AND INFLATION LAST TIME THIS TIME WILL BE WORSE AS TARIFFS CAUSE DEPRESSIONS
I guess I won't be buying any Canadian watermelons or tomatoes any time soon.
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what Mexico and Canada is doing... they're trying to take a hard-line approach, but they're literally going to destroy themselves. They both know full well that the United States buys way the hell more products from them, than they buy from us.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what Mexico and Canada is doing... they're trying to take a hard-line approach, but they're literally going to destroy themselves. They both know full well that the United States buys way the hell more products from them, than they buy from us.
Agreed, I'm sure they know who's in the driver's seat but, I think they are trying to put up a show for their own voting populations.
I am confident Americans understand that prices on some things may go up for a while but with smart shopping, we really don't need the things that Canada or Mexico produce and sell. Some may miss Tequila but, that won't be me.
Currently, China sits in a different position, we do a lot of trading with China and that's probably the reason they only got hit with 10% tariff but, we can also overcome that if we quit buying their crap.
Admittedly, US Corporations have built and operated automotive plants in both countries, I wonder if that was taken away and moved back to US facilities, would they take notice that DJT is serious about border security.................................
Rams
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Originally posted by cliffw: Trudeau and Patrick are two peas in a pod. Both deeply concerned about our repercussions from Trump's actions.
Truthfully, I give Patrice the upper hand compared to Trudeau. He actually has the internal fortitude to stand up for something. Whether right or not so right.
Trudeau, not so much.
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Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what Mexico and Canada is doing... they're trying to take a hard-line approach, but they're literally going to destroy themselves.
Trump has already backed down on his original threat to levi a 25% tariff on everything from Canada. "Energy resources" will be levied a lower 10% tariff.
Bullies often meet their match. I guess we'll just see how it all shakes out.
Agreed, Reminds me of my wife's dog's playing tug a war with it's rope, lots of noise and head shaking all the while knowing the rope can be taken whenever we want to take it. This is such an easy issue to settle, just help secure the border. Letting pride get in the way will be a painful process. Just help secure that border. Everyone is aware it needs to be done. Both nations would benefit from doing so. Once that is solved, we can discuss NATO funding.
------------------ Rams Learning most of life's lessons the hard way. . You are only young once but, you can be immature indefinitely.
You keep saying that, like a broken record. Trump will just look for one excuse after another to try and make others bend to his will. He's on a humongous power trip right now. Oh, I'm looking so forward to his inevitable fall.
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. The North Eastern US customers ? Where does that electrical power come from ? The Niagara Falls ?
