I'm "misrepresenting" the numbers??!!! Wow, that's almost funny considering what you've done with them!
Trump has stated the reason for the tariffs is due to Canada not preventing illegal aliens and drugs from entering the US. I posted a link for you to read which basically states that each country is responsible for what enters their own country. Working out how many illegal aliens cross the borders "per mile/border guard" has got to be the one of the most asinine wastes of math I've ever come across. lol And it's just the thing some that some MAGA lackey will now wish to use as an argument in favor of their master's power trip tariff plan.
No different than you arbitrarily stating that Mexico has 10x the illegal crossings of Canada, without context, that number is meaningless, with the context that the Canadian border has less manpower and more area to cover, the fact that they catch as many as they do is a lot more meaningful. Like I said, using a cheese grater as a mosquito net will not work very well, and if it does indeed stop/catch some mosquitoes, then either those mosquitoes are very big, or there are a lot of them, both of which are problematic, whether it's Canada's problem or not I'm not discussing, whether I agree with Trump in this instance I'm not discussing, I'm simply saying that to say that Canada has 1/10 the illegal crossings is false, they have 1/10th the people caught, and considering how many gaps there are, it's a wonder that many are caught.
You quoted the number of "encounters" and restated that as "crossing" when that is not the same thing in the least, and my border guards per mile simply show how much easier it is to not have an "encounter" on the Canadian border when crossing.
I'm only stating exact numbers from the CBP, and making basic, common sense calculations from them, obviously more enforcement will find more criminals, you took one number and represented it as something else that is different.
You're still misrepresenting it, because I worked out "caught people" aka "encounters", and you are still saying "how many illegal aliens cross the borders". Noone knows how many people cross the border, only those who are caught, it is harder to catch people with less enforcement, therefore logically it is easier to cross here without being caught. So simply saying the number of people caught is useless without taking into account the number of people doing the catching and the amount of territory they need to patrol.
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No different than you arbitrarily stating that Mexico has 10x the illegal crossings of Canada...
What the hell are you talking about? I wasn't "arbitrarily" stating anything in This post. I was simply relaying what was stated in This article.
The very first sentence in that article states "...unlawful border crossings from Mexico to the U.S. are 10 times more frequent than those leaving Canada for the U.S".
This is the same information which can be found in a hundred different sites around the 'net.
You pick an odd time and place to feel the need to try and discredit someone here.
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. The situation is quickly getting out of hand. Trump supporters may not like this media outlet, but at least watch enough of the video (the first five minutes) to get a feel for the two tweets (the 2nd one in particular!) that Trump released on the morning of February 2nd. Is this really the type of messages that you want your president to be releasing to the world? Do you agree with this??!!!
Why is this sounding more and more like Putin's excuses for invading Ukraine? WTF is going on down in the US??!!! This 51st state BS is now no laughing matter, if it ever was.
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WTF are you talking about? I wasn't "arbitrary" stating anything in This post. I was simply relaying what was stated in This article.
The very first sentence in that article states "...unlawful border crossings from Mexico to the U.S. are 10 times more frequent than those leaving Canada for the U.S".
This is the same information which can be found in a hundred different sites around the 'net.
You pick an odd time and place to feel the need to try and discredit someone here.
Ok, so the article gave itself a catchy title and intro, then defined the actual data as:
"Encounters occur when the USBP locates individuals attempting to enter the country, either illegally between border posts or at official crossings without necessary paperwork like visas."
People caught does not necessarily correlate with people illegally crossing, especially when you consider that the Mexican border is 25x better staffed.
I am not trying to discredit anyone, none of this has anything to do with my personal political views, which are just that, personal, if I see a direct numerical error, or in this case a misrepresentation (whether that be from a random news agency that you repeated or whatever), from either side of the argument, I might say something about it. I have corrected 82ta several times about Canada already tariffing the States, and I'm simply pointing out that those individual numbers you posted are not the whole story, you also have to agnowledge that the amount of enforcement dramatically effects the number of encounters.
With all of this you still have not agnowledged this math, other than calling it a ludicrous way to rationalize tariffs (I am not rationalizing anything, just adding context).
HOW DOES A BORDER THAT IS 25X HIGHER STAFFED ONLY CATCH 10X THE PEOPLE. either the agents up here are somehow way more efficient at catching people even though my province has an official crossing on average only every 40km, usually in the "big" towns with no local police, no fence, no nothing between crossings, just a ankle deep river that kids play in all the time, or there are more people seeping through the cracks undetected. I'm not saying which one is true because I don't know, and have no way to prove anything, I'm just presenting the context that a higher staffed border will of course capture more people, and there are always people that are not captured, those are the important numbers.
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I'm simply pointing out that those individual numbers you posted are not the whole story, you also have to agnowledge that the amount of enforcement dramatically effects the number of encounters.
Mark Weber, national president of the Customs and Immigration Union, the union that represents staff and officers of the Canada Border Services Agency, said how "leaky" the border is depends on which way the issue is defined.
"If we're talking about things getting into the U.S., that's not really our prerogative to be dealing with those," Weber told the Calgary Eyeopener.
"I think there's a little bit of confusion about which way the enforcement should be happening. The U.S. secures their border, and we secure ours."
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"Canada thrives when it works with America together. Win by helping America win. Trump believes that Canada has not held its side of the bargain. These are things that every Canadian wants its government to do, too. These are not crazy demands, even if they came from an unpopular source. These tariffs are going to be devastating to so many people’s lives and small businesses. Leadership is about doing what’s right, not what is popular. And hitting back will not lead to anything good. America will shrug it off. Canada will decline."
Why is this sounding more and more like Putin's excuses for invading Ukraine? WTF is going on down in the US??!!! This 51st state BS is now no laughing matter, if it ever was.
Patrick, in the United States, we call the type of videos your watching, "conspiratorial." Whatever this video is (I'm not watching, it looks ridiculous), I can assure you that Trump has no intention of invading the United States.
Trump is very calculated and specific when he says what he says... it's part of the "Art of the Deal," which is really not that hard to understand. Be outrageous in your demands and statements, and people are willing to accept far more than they otherwise would if you just asked for what you wanted.
That comes as of Wednesday (edit) Sunday. Trump threatened to invade... and look, he got his way. It's barely making the news, but this is all Trump wanted, and he made it happen.
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Damn... I am feeling bad for Canada... what the hell is Trudeau doing? At this point, just fold and support the border. Vancouver isn't this pristine magical city that the leftist media makes it out to be here in the United States... they have the exact same fentanyl crisis we do in the left-leaning U.S. cities as well. Everyone legitimately wants to fix this... why is the left-leaning leadership so resistant to stopping illegal fentanyl shipments into the country?
"Almost half of Canadian businesses plan to shift more investments and operations to the U.S. to mitigate potential tariffs and maintain market access, per the Globe and Mail."
Damn... I am feeling bad for Canada... what the hell is Trudeau doing? At this point, just fold and support the border. Vancouver isn't this pristine magical city that the leftist media makes it out to be here in the United States... they have the exact same fentanyl crisis we do in the left-leaning U.S. cities as well. Everyone legitimately wants to fix this... why is the left-leaning leadership so resistant to stopping illegal fentanyl shipments into the country?
"Almost half of Canadian businesses plan to shift more investments and operations to the U.S. to mitigate potential tariffs and maintain market access, per the Globe and Mail."
but, I'm not surprised. Well, except for the Poutine.
It's a shame but, not unexpected.
Rams
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Mexico first to fold... gives in to President Trump.
Mexican president immediately orders 10,000 troops to the U.S. Border to prevent trafficking and drugs, agrees to "remain in Mexico," and will take more deportees:
Originally posted by Patrick: Mike, some of these guys have no interest in how Trump's tariffs will actually affect the American public. Instead, they're taking some sort of perverse pleasure in how this will negatively impact the Canadian economy. Seriously, I don't get it. Canada is their closest neighbor/friend/ally... and they're actually gloating over how much Canada will suffer. It's disappointing to say the least.
Delusion much ? We are not gloating by pointing out fact. You keep claiming it will hurt us more than you. Go ahead Canada. Hurt us.
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Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: I'm dumbfounded. Do you folks know how tariffs work? Do you know who will be hurt most?
Mike, can you tell us why there were even tariffs, before this news making topic ? I have a good grasp on how tariffs work, as well as the plus and minuses.
I have no crystal ball, but I'd be absolutely gobsmacked if Trump actually follows through on the full25% tariff on all products imported into the US from Canada and Mexico. IMO, Trump's just blowing smoke. It's all part of the phony-baloney tough guy act, that you and like-minded individuals appear to worship.
What does it feel like being gobsmacked ? I have never been gobsmacked.
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Originally posted by Patrick: However, this border security "issue" with Canada is just a ruse for Trump to secure further revenue... so unless he's pressured from within the US itself, he's not going to end the cash cow.
Ah, you are not a deep thinker. Perhaps your not fully informed. Why didn't DJT suggest Mexico could be our 51st State ?
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Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: Just how many illegal aliens come across the 49th parallel, anyway? I suspect, at present, the Candadians are more worried about U.S. citizens coming north.
Is that sarcasm ?
Canada has more ...
Does Canada refer to US citizens going into Canada as migrants, or illegal aliens ?
Canada has more illegal aliens coming from elsewhere. Many many more.[/quote]
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Originally posted by Patrick: So there are more than 10x the number of illegals crossing the border from Mexico into the States as there is from Canada. But in Trump's (and his lackey's) view, Canada rates right up there with Mexico.
Do you know what the trade imbalance between the USA and Canada is. DJT has many times pointed this out as one of his reasons of contention. Which is one of the reasons for the tariff on Canada.
That record does not look broken.
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Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: ...and pay taxes.
I was curious as to how you, an American citizen went to live in Australia. I don't need an answer, that is your buisness, none of mine, and I respect your choice.
Do they pay taxes in Australia ? Canada ?
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Originally posted by 1985 Fiero GT: That is a misrepresentation of the numbers, the number of people caught does not equate to the number of people "crossing".
1985 Fiero GT, hmm. A smart illegal alien, knowing I would be allowed to stay in the USA, I would choose the northern border and avoiding the Mexican Cartels. Canada basically being used as pipeline for illegal aliens to enter the USA.
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Originally posted by Patrick: You really really need to read This post from much earlier in this very thread.
My oh my.
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Originally posted by Patrick: The U.S. secures their border, and we secure ours."
Why are we getting all of these Canadian commercials saying we are stronger working together ?
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Originally posted by Patrick: You pick an odd time and place to feel the need to try and discredit someone here.
There is never an odd time to try to teach anyone logical thinking. Numbers can lie. If I make a dollar and then make two dollars for doing the same thing, that's a 100% increase. Numbers need context.
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Originally posted by Patrick: The situation is quickly getting out of hand.
Everyone has an opinion and an azzhole.
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Originally posted by Patrick: Is this really the type of messages that you want your president to be releasing to the world? Do you agree with this??!!!
Is that the video you really want us to see to agree with you ? Really ? Sad sad sad. From A Progressive political action committee ? We as a nation were tired of progressive policies.
I am also not going to watch that dweeb. Paraphrase the message.
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Originally posted by maryjane:
Oh No! Whatever will we do???
I have to admit I don't know what a poutine is. I have never tasted it.
However, I thought it came from Louisiana.
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Originally posted by bonaduce: Guess I won't be able to tip the strippers in Montreal for a while.
Why ? Trump said "no tax on tips", .
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I almost feel bad for feeling good about it.
I also Todd, for the ones believing it was a suicidal move for the USA.
Shares of the Big Three automakers slumped on Monday in premarket trade as the impact of 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico hit the companies hard.
General Motors shares fell 6%, as Stellantis shares fell 5% in premarket trade and Ford Motor Co. lost 4%. Stellantis makes Chrysler and Ram Truck vehicles.
S&P Global last week assessed the impact. They point out in 2024, the U.S. imported 3.6 million vehicles from Canada and Mexico, representing 22% of the total sold last year — those include full-size pick-up trucks from GM and Stellantis, and the Toyota RAV4.
Also, many U.S.-built vehicles use Canadian or Mexican sourced propulsion systems and components — like the Ford F-series pick-ups, Mustang cars and the Mazda CX-50.
The company in the U.S. market most exposed is actually Volkswagen, with 43% of sales sourced from Mexico. VW shares declined sharply in Frankfurt trade, as the Stoxx Europe auto sector was the worst performing in Europe.
Analysts at Stifel said VW could decide to exit the U.S. entirely as its profitability is already low.
This might be a good time to invest in automotive stock on the Stock Market into the Big Three. Not too sure about VW though. I honestly don't believe these tariffs will be around vey long, it will all depend on who gets with the program. The sooner that happens the better off we will all be.
Trump pauses Mexico tariffs for one month after agreement on border troops
President Donald Trump said that he is pausing for one month a new 25% tariff on goods entering the United States from Mexico after Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum agreed to immediately send 10,000 soldiers to her country's border to prevent drug trafficking. The announcement of the pause came two days after Trump slapped 25% tariffs on goods from Mexico and Canada, as well as a 10% tariff on goods imported from China.
Amazing (but not unexpected) how this works.
Rams
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Originally posted by blackrams: Analysts at Stifel said VW could decide to exit the U.S. entirely as its profitability is already low.
This one I found most interesting... Volkswagen was hugely popular just a few years ago... we even bought two a while back, but for some reason, the company is just doing horrible right now.
I can't remember the last time I saw a Jetta or a Passat, which probably has to do with the fact that everyone wants SUVs now (due to vehicle regulations basically destroying the standard automobile).
It would be sad to see Volkswagen leave the United States... but they're doing horrible across the globe. They shut down four factories in Europe just a few months ago.
Get it while you can Todd, before tariff prices inflate the sale.
Already sold. It went for $11,500... which is astounding to me... that is an amazing price. The price of these things must have gone down significantly.
A truck bus like this would have been at least $40k in that condition just a couple of years ago.
We already have one though...
It's in storage right now... where it's been for like 15 years... but eventually I'll get it out.
It's in storage right now... where it's been for like 15 years... but eventually I'll get it out.
I know where one of those is sitting but, someone took the middle section out. Honestly, it's a pretty funny looking ride (to me).
Supposed to hit 70* F + here today, time to get either the Solstice out or one or two of the Valkyries out. May all of them. It's great day to be alive!
Rams
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I know where one of those is sitting but, someone took the middle section out. Honestly, it's a pretty funny looking ride (to me).
Supposed to hit 70* F + here today, time to get either the Solstice out or one or two of the Valkyries out. May all of them. It's great day to be alive!
Rams
Man... I keep seeing Solstices on the road. I honestly don't see any Saturn Skys, they're all Solstices. Have you had to do any work on it? I did very little on mine since it was brand new... just installed the cold air intake and the shorty header. But if I get another one, I'll likely have to do a lot of work... just curious how hard they are to work on... probably easier than the Fiero I'd guess?
Said to be written by a Canadian Hutterite when it was posted on an agricultural board I'm on. (I had to look up to find what a Hutterite even was)
Imagine being pissed off at your neighbor's leader, who is trying to get his neighbors, us, to clean up our messy yard, while our people simultaneously cheer on our leader's weak response yet ignore the fact that Justin Trudeau himself has levied massive taxes against us that have hurt our prosperity greatly.
I find it incredibly stupid that Canadians are ready to go to war against Trump over the tariffs yet are silent as church mice about the upcoming $15/per ton carbon tax increase in April that will raise the price of gasoline 21 cents, diesel 25 cents & 18 cents per cubic meter of natural gas that Justin Trudeau has levied against us.
It is absolutely moronic that we are willing to shoot ourselves in the feet to "show them Americans we mean business" yet we do NOTHING meaningful to show our leadership that we are greatly opposed to their insane spend & tax policies.
Trump is a businessman. He likes to make deals. He offered the opportunity for our leadership to save face, clean up our act and be responsible neighbors. Unsurprisingly, Justin Trudeau failed to do that & now Trump won't even answer his calls.
The vast majority of Canadians don't understand that we are currently an enemy nation. We have purposefully left our borders in disarray. We have allowed the Chinese a stranglehold over our nation. We have imported a massive amount of unvetted people in here. We have supported the enrichment of criminal politicians in nations, like Ukraine, for a war that was unjustly started by the west at the behest of the globalist bankers back in 2014. Who knows what other criminal actions this government is up to?
I think that Trump is a reasonable man & obviously possess far more intelligence than the media & our leadership would have you believe. I think if it were possible to do, a sovereign Canada would be his first choice. He knows that we were a once proud nation. But if none of our piss poor excuses for leaders will come to the table & actually negotiate in good faith and make an effort to be good neighbors, then he will demand we become a part of the US to keep the region safe & secure. He can't be blamed for demanding we be good neighbors.
I love Canada, or at least what it used to be before it became what Justin Trudeau has made it. We have a proud & rich history behind us. But at what point do we decide that starving under communism, to keep a dead dream on life-support, isn't quite as good as life could be living under a new banner with a dictator-proof constitution protecting your human rights and a leader that knows how to bring prosperity to the people, rather than financial struggles, like our leadership does. Call me a traitor if you want but I care more about being free and prosperous than I do about staying loyal to a broken, failed, post nationalist state.
These tariffs may ultimately be the cure for corrupt governments worldwide. Perhaps we should be using this opportunity to put massive pressure on ALL of our politicians, regardless of whether they represent us provincially or federally, left or right. We should not let up on them until they all quit. The water isn't going to clear up until we get the pigs out of the creek.
I forgot. One day I came outside and my across the street neighbor had a visitor. He male and she female. He was sleeping in a VW camping van while he visited.
His VW Van / Bus was stretched. It had the pop up roof. My neighbor and I were well acquainted and I was allowed a close up look. Amazing.
Already sold. It went for $11,500... which is astounding to me... that is an amazing price. The price of these things must have gone down significantly.
A truck bus like this would have been at least $40k in that condition just a couple of years ago.
We already have one though...
It's in storage right now... where it's been for like 15 years... but eventually I'll get it out.
21 and 23 window and certain years of the type2 model are the big price players
la fire survivor bus vw is a 77 not a early 60's collector bus model with the damm windows like comp a 77 mid size pontiac with 65 gto 4 speed tri-power not the same money not the same ride
btw stocks are down shorts are up up up and car market is dropping NOW
(Decades ago I and 3 others almost froze to death in one of those Hitler's Revenge VW bus things, traveling from Waukegan Ill to San Diego Calif in late March. Crossing over the Rockies, we were so freaking cold we were forced to stop at this little 'outfitters trading post' and pay an exorbitant price for a catalytic camp heater, and a gallon of fuel, then the fumes nearly killed us and we had to roll the windows down..more freezin. vw heater is heater in name only. )
Said to be written by a Canadian Hutterite when it was posted on an agricultural board I'm on. (I had to look up to find what a Hutterite even was)
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Perhaps we should be using this opportunity to put massive pressure on ALL of our politicians, regardless of whether they represent us provincially or federally, left or right. We should not let up on them until they all quit. The water isn't going to clear up until we get the pigs out of the creek.[/i]
Thanks for posting that Don. Based on some of the posts, I have to suggest Canadian Pride is the issue. The vast majority of us know what will eventually come to pass if bordering nations don't get with the program.
Yes, some things will get a bit more expensive but, asking oneself if I really need that will go a long way. Freedom and Security aren't free.
Man... I keep seeing Solstices on the road. I honestly don't see any Saturn Skys, they're all Solstices. Have you had to do any work on it? I did very little on mine since it was brand new... just installed the cold air intake and the shorty header. But if I get another one, I'll likely have to do a lot of work... just curious how hard they are to work on... probably easier than the Fiero I'd guess?
Up to this point, the only issues I've had are with the electronic relay for the trunk release. Nothing else.
Although as it is with most vehicles now, changing the oil sucks, the engineers who designed them were obviously not the guys that had to change the oil filters. Why they didn't put in remotely located filters is beyond me.
Rams
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Originally posted by maryjane: vw heater is heater in name only. )
Hahah... totally. The one in the bus doesn't even work. I removed all the components mostly because it was a rats nest (so to speak) and I wanted to clean up the underside.
Essentially, it takes the heat that the engine gives off on the cyl-head fins. There's a tube for each side of the engine, and the metal tube is lined with insulation (probably asbestos) that connects the back all the way to the front under the dash (comes up the center as one tube). There are two electronic fans, I think under the car, which push the heated air to the front.
If the engine isn't producing any heat, because it's cold as s**t outside, there won't be anything to push to the front.
Furthermore, if you have an exhaust leak, you're pushing exhaust fumes into the cabin too... haha...
It NEVER worked on mine, so I don't even know... but I'd like to think if I needed it, I might do something different... use one of those portable electric space heaters and upgrade the alternator. I'm all about vintage, but the alternator in the VW Bus is crap... I think I could stick a new GM CS130 alternator on there and produce more electricity with far less effort... and then not have to worry about the voltage regulator.
My biggest issue was trying to make everything original and perfect in the back.
... last time I checked out the car, I opened up the engine compartment and touched the foam separator (that closes off the engine from the engine floor pan), and it completely disintegrated at the touch. It was brand new when I put it in there, haha...
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Originally posted by blackrams: Up to this point, the only issues I've had are with the electronic relay for the trunk release. Nothing else.
Although as it is with most vehicles now, changing the oil sucks, the engineers who designed them were obviously not the guys that had to change the oil filters. Why they didn't put in remotely located filters is beyond me.
Rams
Man, I'm so tempted, even if it's to give the family another car to have fun with... I just don't have the room... but "decent" driving examples are at rock bottom prices now, and I know this won't last.
You can get them with like 60k miles for $4,500 bucks. It's insane...
Although as it is with most vehicles now, changing the oil sucks, the engineers who designed them were obviously not the guys that had to change the oil filters. Why they didn't put in remotely located filters is beyond me.
I seem to recall (at least mine), had a plastic screw cap, and a paper filter that would drop in. Does yours not have that? it wasn't too bad, but I always wondered how that plastic cap would survive over the years.
I do remember that draining the oil was kind of a pain in the ass...
Man, I'm so tempted, even if it's to give the family another car to have fun with... I just don't have the room... but "decent" driving examples are at rock bottom prices now, and I know this won't last.
You can get them with like 60k miles for $4,500 bucks. It's insane...
You have identified the reason I'm building a 30X40 shop. I'm maxed out on what can go inside. Three Valkyrie and the Solstice sit inside my garage.
Seems like some Pontiacs are like an addiction, I wouldn't sell mine for that but, when I bought my Solstice, I told my wife I wanted to be transported to the crematorium in it.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I seem to recall (at least mine), had a plastic screw cap, and a paper filter that would drop in. Does yours not have that? it wasn't too bad, but I always wondered how that plastic cap would survive over the years.
I do remember that draining the oil was kind of a pain in the ass...
Draining the oil pan is easy enough if you are able to lift the car, not sure I know anyone small enough to get under a Solstice without lifting it. Not sure about other years but, my Solstice uses a normal screw on canister type filter.
Enough of this car talk in this thread, let's get back to Securing Our Border.
Rams
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Draining the oil pan is easy enough if you are able to lift the car, not sure I know anyone small enough to get under a Solstice without lifting it. Not sure about other years but, my Solstice uses a normal screw on canister type filter.
Enough of this car talk in this thread, let's get back to Securing Our Border.
Rams
Don't hate me, I like cars way more than politics... so one last response.
This is a Turbo version of the 2.4 VVT motor that I had in my Solstice...
Edit: Stupid e-Bay... attaching the image:
If you look in the lower right-hand corner, there's a black round cap with a large HEX / lug in the center. That's where the oil filter was located in my Solstice. I used a wheel axle socket on it (with a shop rag over it), and I could easily unscrew it. The filter was in there. Mine was a 2006, so I don't know if it changed... but I really didn't mind it.
EDIT: Also, I still have my original VIN... I can happily confirm that my 2006 Solstice is still on the road... it estimates 46k miles (I sold it with 28k miles). Who knows where it is now... I wish I could find an address by someone's VIN. I mean, I could if I worked for the state, but that would be illegal. I'd love to ask the guy / girl if they want to sell it back to me.
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Gosh Patrick, the way you split hairs you must either have a YUGE shock of hair on your head, or be bald.
The way I "split hairs"? MJ posts something he found on line. I looked up the Facebook site of the person who supposedly wrote it. Nothing about him being a Hutterite, but plenty of the usual anti-vaxxing rhetoric from conspiracy theorists is on full display. This person (if he actually exists) does not represent Canada in any way, shape, or form.
The way I "split hairs"? MJ posts something he found on line. I looked up the Facebook site of the person who supposedly wrote it. Nothing about him being a Hutterite, but plenty of the usual anti-vaxxing rhetoric from conspiracy theorists is on full display. This person (if he actually exists) does not represent Canada in any way, shape, or form.
You're painting with a pretty broad brush, aren't you?
Odds are there are some Canadian citizens that don't feel the same way you do.
I fail to see how anyone would actually have a problem with this. Well, other than the criminals, and those who have to pay the bills to make it happen.
Wow, that's almost funny considering what you've done with them!
but, I'm not surprised. Well, except for the Poutine. 
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