Originally posted by rbell2915: Haha why does everyone say Israel is our #1 ally? What do they do for us besides siphon tax dollars off us? When have they ever helped us? Ever heard of the USS Liberty? The UK is a way more important ally by far. Our relationship with Israel is similar to a parasite.
Haha, Israel gives us much intelligence from that volatile section of the World. Israel is a good check on the misdeeds of the characters that volatile section of the World.
Siphon tax dollars off us? Well worth the support. They have helped us just by being Israel. They are a cause which should be championed.
What has the UK done for us ? Disclosure, I was born in London England.
Originally posted by rbell2915: Any amount of intel they could even possibly provide, is not worth the money we burn to support them. We can do that ourselves for much less money. They are more than welcome to purchase our arms, but why must we give them billions every single year?
"But muh middle eastern democracy!!1!" some people proclaim. So what? Who cares about what happens over there? They can fend for themselves. We have our own problems to worry about.
Ah, you support allowing Iran and the Palestinians to own the whole region region ?
Haha why does everyone say Israel is our #1 ally? What do they do for us besides siphon tax dollars off us? When have they ever helped us?
I gotta say, Israel being mentioned as the #1 ally of the US caught me completely off guard. Would never have guessed it.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I'd have to say the U.S.'s #1 ally would probably have to be the U.K... is my guess...
Militarily wise, yes, the UK could be considered a stronger ally of the US than Canada is... but I was thinking of an overall more important ally which includes trade between the countries. Canada far surpasses the UK in regards to trade with the US. 2022 figures... Canada $356.5 billion, UK $76.2 billion. No comparison.
Haha, Israel gives us much intelligence from that volatile section of the World. Israel is a good check on the misdeeds of the characters that volatile section of the World.
Siphon tax dollars off us? Well worth the support. They have helped us just by being Israel. They are a cause which should be championed.
What has the UK done for us ? Disclosure, I was born in London England.
So what? We can get that on our own.
The UK, Canada, Australia, they are nearly always in the **** with us whenever The bullets start flying and bombs start dropping. I cannot at all say the same for Israel. Where were they during the entirely of the GWOT?
South Korea, Japan, Germany, and France are better allies than Israel.
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Am I suggesting there is absolutely no flow of illegal whatever from Canada to the US. No. However, it pales in comparison to whatever is illegally crossing the border from Mexico to the US. And let's not forget the illegal whatever coming into Canada from the States. This isn't a one way problem.
I'm thinking you're correct on where the majority is coming from but, the truth is, it's still coming into the US and once it gets here, how do we know where it came from or which border was crossed.
Illinois cops bust Canadians who crossed border with 1,100 pounds of cocaine worth $40 million
They don’t call it the “Great White North” for nothing.
Two Canadian men were busted after smuggling over 1,100 pounds of cocaine — worth over $40 million — across the border into Illinois last week.
Vanshpreet Singh, 27, and Manpreet Singh, 36, were found with 1,146 pounds of cocaine inside their Volvo semi-truck when police stopped them for an inspection on Interstate 80 in Geneseo, about 150 miles west of Chicago, Illinois State Police said.
The arrests come days after President-elect Donald Trump threatened to impose new 25% tariffs on Canada unless the country cracked down on illegal immigration and drug smuggling.
“On January 20th, as one of my many first Executive Orders, I will sign all necessary documents to charge Mexico and Canada a 25% Tariff on ALL products coming into the United States, and its ridiculous Open Borders,” Trump declared.
The president-elect noted that the tariff will “remain in effect until such time as Drugs, in particular, Fentanyl, and all Illegal Aliens stop this Invasion of our Country!”
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau met Trump on Friday in Mar-a-Lago and had what he described as “an excellent conversation.”
Police found “numerous indicators of criminal activity” leading to the inspection Friday, which yielded a massive amount of cocaine, worth well over $40 million, police said.
The men, both from Ontario, were each charged with Class X felony counts of cocaine trafficking, possession of cocaine with the intent to deliver and possession of cocaine.
A photo of the seizure shared by police shows a gigantic stack of individually packaged bricks of the illicit substance.
Both men were booked at the Henry County Jail and are awaiting their first court appearance.
US customs agents seized 43 pounds of fentanyl at the Canadian border last fiscal year, compared with 21,100 pounds at the Mexican border, according to the Associated Press.
Additionally, Border Patrol officers made 56,530 arrests at the Mexican border in October alone, but only 23,721 at the Canadian border between October 2023 and September 2024.
Even still, Canadian officials say they are willing to make investments in border security.
But in this case we do know. What we don't know is how much more crossed that border.
Illinois cops bust Canadians who crossed border with 1,100 pounds of cocaine worth $40 million
With coca plants growing just about everywhere in Canada, it's pretty difficult to stop the production and exportation of cocaine from here.
But wait, what's this... a 30 second google search finds these two news stories from within the last month. (There are no doubt many more seizures/news reports.)
The total weight of cocaine (mentioned in just these two news stories) being smuggled into Canada from the US was just under 1,900 lbs.
So yes, there's definitely a drug smuggling problem between the US and Canada... in both directions!
Never suggested trafficking wasn't going both directions. Might be a good reason for the two parties to place an emphasis on border security. Ya think? On our side of the border, not much doubt that the Biden/Harris Administration didn't give a damn. That's shame of us.
Rams
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In that disastrous debate, the one thing that Biden got right was his observation that Trump has... "the morals of an alley-cat".
I imagine that'll rub a few people the wrong way. Therefore, I apologize.... to cat lovers everywhere.
It doesn't seem like you have any substantive disagreement with Trump's policies, just an overall dislike of Trump. I mean, that's fine... but just curious if there's something specific you disagree with other than "because Trump."
Originally posted by cliffw: Haha, Israel gives us much intelligence from that volatile section of the World. Israel is a good check on the misdeeds of the characters that volatile section of the World.
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Originally posted by rbell2915: So what? We can get that on our own.
How ? How did we get intelligence in Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, ... ?
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Originally posted by rbell2915: The UK, Canada, Australia, they are nearly always in the **** with us whenever The bullets start flying and bombs start dropping. I cannot at all say the same for Israel. Where were they during the entirely of the GWOT?
GWOT ? Global war on terror ? Declared by us on 9/12/01 ? I hope you realize Islamic terrorists started it. From the Middle East, surrounding Israel.
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Originally posted by rbell2915: South Korea, Japan, Germany, and France are better allies than Israel.
It doesn't seem like you have any substantive disagreement with Trump's policies, just an overall dislike of Trump. I mean, that's fine... but just curious if there's something specific you disagree with other than "because Trump."
For a start, just re-visit the first page of this thread!
Never suggested trafficking wasn't going both directions.
But you're okay with Trump arbitrarily imposing a 25% tariff on all imports from Canada due to illegal drugs being smuggled across the border... when the US is at least as guilty as Canada is in regards to how porous the border is in both directions?
Originally posted by Patrick: But you're okay with Trump arbitrarily imposing a 25% tariff on all imports from Canada due to illegal drugs being smuggled across the border... when the US is at least as guilty as Canada is in regards to how porous the border is in both directions?
I am. I am also in favor of Canada placing tariffs on imports from the USA.
But you're okay with Trump arbitrarily imposing a 25% tariff on all imports from Canada due to illegal drugs being smuggled across the border... when the US is at least as guilty as Canada is in regards to how porous the border is in both directions?
I thought I made my position clear on the first page of this thread. But, I'm not sure with how you came up with "as guilty" as Canada. Got anything to back that up? Doesn't really matter, I simply found that curious.
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Originally posted by blackrams:
Personally speaking, we all knew there was going to be a price to pay for the Biden/Harris Administration policies. I see this as one of them. This transition will not be pain free for us and it most surely won't be pain free for any of the affected countries.
Rams
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But, I'm not sure with how you came up with "as guilty" as Canada. Got anything to back that up?
I've got as much to back that up as you do with the notion that illegal drugs and smuggled migrants are pouring into the US from Canada. Oh, I forgot... Trump says it's so.
I'd like to see the flow of illegal drugs between the two countries reduced/eliminated as well. However, this idea that Canada is entirely to blame is ludicrous.
And while we're at it, how about stemming the flow of illegal firearms into Canada from the States. Thank-you.
That would give Trump higher moral standards than Biden.
I admittedly don't know a whole lot about Biden's private life (referring to actual facts, and not Republican propaganda), but it's difficult to imagine that Joe Biden has lower moral standards than Donald Trump.
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I'd like to see the flow of illegal drugs between the two countries reduced/eliminated as well. However, this idea that Canada is entirely to blame is ludicrous.
And while we're at it, how about stemming the flow of illegal firearms into Canada from the States. Thank-you.
Oh, there's plenty of blame to go around. For such things to happen, there's usually a buyer and a seller (nationalities unknown). The best way for such activities to be dramatically slowed is for all parties to be involved and committed. DJTs tariff has gotten folks attention and is apparently helping. Read today that Mexico has turned two huge caravans of folks headed to the border around. Canada's PM has already flown down to make a deal of cooperation I'm told.
Funny how such things work. Huh......................
But but but... I've been told in this very thread that Trump doesn't make deals.
Funny how such things work.
Hmmm...... I didn't say DJT was or wasn't making a deal, read again who I said came trying to make a deal. Don't know or care about what you've been told or read about DJT. You've made up your mind. Attempting to twist something someone else said into implying anything related to me or my statement quite frankly is beneath you.
Whether or not you agree, the US Voters have determined they wanted DJT over what the Biden/Harris Dems offered. AND, That's What Counts.
I didn't say DJT was or wasn't making a deal, read again who I said came trying to make a deal. Don't know or care about what you've been told or read about DJT. You've made up your mind. Attempting to twist something someone else said into implying anything related to me or my statement quite frankly is beneath you.
Maybe you should "read again" what I posted. Where did I say anything about you stating that Trump doesn't make deals? Todd will be upset that you "don't care" what he posts. lol
...the one part of the video you posted that's correct... is where they said "Trump is not interested in diplomacy, and is only interested in brute force." They know that Trump will literally do what he says, and doesn't have time for negotiations to get what he wants.
Maybe you should "read again" what I posted. Where did I say anything about you stating that Trump doesn't make deals? Todd will be upset that you "don't care" what he posts. lol
For the record, I will never be insulted if someone doesn't read what I post. That I post really long drawn-out posts is more a factor of me basically growing up on a computer (originally an 88-key XT keyboard), doing this same thing with people back in the 90s on BBSes and UseNet before there was the internet (except I was a Democrat then and arguing with Republicans), my ADHD, and my uncanny knack for associating totally unrelated things into a conversation about something else. I can type literally as fast as I think... it's nearly 200 words a second. To the point that my keyboard often doesn't even keep up with me. I used to have to set the BUFFERS in the autoexec.bat on my computer to something high like 80 because I'd type so fast that the computer would start beeping at me because I overloaded the buffers. If I was put in a position where the President of the United States came to me and said... "Todd, aliens are about to destroy our planet unless you can correctly type out this entire paper in 200 words per minute or less," I would step up and be the man for that job. Until then, you all get the graces of my insane typing screed... as well as Corvette Forums and AtariAge... and the AD&D Gold Box Series forums (which gets like 1 post a month)... and occasionally CrownVic.net.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: For the record, I will never be insulted if someone doesn't read what I post..
Sir, Do not be concerned about the dude behind the curtain. He's frequently confused and gets mixed up. Confused but, not wanting to admit when he's gone over the edge.
I came across some data that a few here might find interesting. It demonstrates how outrageous it is for Trump to lump Canada in with Mexico when it comes to illegal drugs being smuggled into the US.
To be certain, the smuggling of the synthetic opioid fentanyl — which Trump has singled out as being a chief concern — has historically been an issue of significantly higher magnitude at the Mexican border.
Approximately 20 kilograms of fentanyl were seized at the Canada-U.S. border from October 2023 to September 2024, compared to more than 9,500 kilograms at the Mexico-U.S. border, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) data.
20 kilograms (44 lbs) of fentanyl versus more than 9,500 kilograms (20,944 lbs)
Sure, penalize Canada the same as Mexico. Slap on a 25% tariff on any imports from the frozen north. Maybe Trump figured Canadians would be too polite to push back.
That just goes to show how porous the northern border is. Very little, is actually seized while many tons get thru undetected...
Well Don, I'm so glad you mentioned that. From the same article as above...
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Mark Weber, national president of the Customs and Immigration Union, the union that represents staff and officers of the Canada Border Services Agency, said how "leaky" the border is depends on which way the issue is defined.
"If we're talking about things getting into the U.S., that's not really our prerogative to be dealing with those," Weber told the Calgary Eyeopener.
"I think there's a little bit of confusion about which way the enforcement should be happening. The U.S. secures their border, and we secure ours."
So what's the problem with US agents on your northern border? Why are they so out-performed by the southern border agents?
Instead of slapping Canada with a 25% tariff, maybe Trump should reduce your northern border agents salary by 25% until they pick up the slack.
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Sure, penalize Canada the same as Mexico. Slap on a 25% tariff on any imports from the frozen north. Maybe Trump figured Canadians would be too polite to push back.
An interesting idea but, I doubt that's going to occur. Don't hold yer breath but, I'm thinking your guy will get with the program which will help out our BP do their jobs.
Appreciate the extra effort. Thanks.
Rams
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I'm thinking your guy will get with the program which will help out our BP do their jobs.
So, if zero seizures of illegal drugs takes place on your northern border in the next year, does that mean that my "guy" has done an exemplary job "with the program"... or does it mean that your BP has totally f'ked up?
Originally posted by cliffw: I am also in favor of Canada placing tariffs on imports from the USA.
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Originally posted by Patrick: Great, we all pay more for everything! Excellent plan.
Will we ? So what ? A tariff here, higher taxes there ... capitalism causes lower prices.
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Originally posted by Patrick: I admittedly don't know a whole lot about Biden's private life (referring to actual facts, and not Republican propaganda), but it's difficult to imagine that Joe Biden has lower moral standards than Donald Trump.
So says Patrick, touting Leftoid propaganda.
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Originally posted by Patrick: Trump has stated that on Day One of his presidency, he will mandate a 25% tariff on all imports from Canada, Mexico and China. I suspect he's simply posturing (for his ego), but we'll see.
So, if zero seizures of illegal drugs takes place on your northern border in the next year, does that mean that my "guy" has done an exemplary job "with the program"... or does it mean that your BP has totally f'ked up?
I honestly don't know where you get this or come up with this stuff............. How about they work together to change the end result.
I honestly don't know where you get this or come up with this stuff.............
Read the other posts on this page. With them in mind, the question I asked makes perfect sense. And yeah, I'm not surprised you don't like the answer(s).
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Originally posted by blackrams:
How about they work together to change the end result.
Well, of course. Working together to solve a mutual problem is the intelligent way for two allies to handle the situation, rather than Trump arbitrarily deciding to impose 25% tariffs right from the get-go.
So, which item are you contesting? That Trump said "Grab them by the pussy", or that Trump was screwing Stormy Daniels (while Melania was pregnant with Barron!)?
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Originally posted by Patrick:
I admittedly don't know a whole lot about Biden's private life (referring to actual facts, and not Republican propaganda), but it's difficult to imagine that Joe Biden has lower moral standards than Donald Trump.
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If I was a Trump supporter, I'd be in deep denial as well.
Well, of course. Working together to solve a mutual problem is the intelligent way for two allies to handle the situation, rather than Trump arbitrarily deciding to impose 25% tariffs right from the get-go.
When one party has shown no interest and still doesn't appear interested in solving the issue then the other party needs to get their attention. My grandfather had a team of mules like that, every once in a while, one on the right side would lean over and bite the one on the left because the mule on the left wasn't pulling its load. The left side mule would then start pulling its own share of the load.
You might or might not see the similarity, but I feel confident you'll come up with some response where it is all DJT fault. Yep,
My grandfather had a team of mules like that, every once in a while, one on the right side would lean over and bite the one on the left because the mule on the left wasn't pulling its load. The left side mule would then start pulling its own share of the load.
You might or might not see the similarity...
Oh, I definitely see a similarity between Trump and your grandfather's "right-side" jackass.
Oh, I definitely see a similarity between Trump and your grandfather's "right-side" jackass.
Excellent! I'm told DJT offered your PM the opportunity to be our 51st State.
Actually, trading posts is getting a bit tiring. There is a border crossing problem on both our southern and northern borders that is apparently being facilitated by a lack on incentive on our northern and southern friends. Well, now there's some incentive.
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