This is what my question is. What policies of the Biden/Harris administration are being addressed with a tariff on a non-problematic trade partner? What is specifically is Canada doing that we are trying to address with such a punitive tariff?
While I am not in DJT's center circle, I thought it was pretty well explained in reference to the lack of border security and the policies the Canadian, Mexican and US governments had in place. All are failures.
While some may claim DJT is backing off, I view his initial statement as just a first salvo to get their attention. Seems to have worked with Canada. I'm certain there are talks taking place behind the scenes that none of us are privy to. Only time will tell. We are definitely living in challenging and exciting times.
Rams
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From an American site for your viewing pleasure...
I'm having a hard time trying to understand where the "backing down" is? I saw nothing in the video except various provinces in Canada complying with Trump, except for some energy guy threatening to cut off Canadian oil (which would be hilarious).
I'm having a hard time trying to understand where the "backing down" is? I saw nothing in the video...
Of course this is how you feel. There is nothing that'll occur, nothing, that will change how you feel about Trump. You're absolutely convinced (dare I say, brainwashed) that Trump doesn't bend. Ha!
...the one part of the video you posted that's correct... is where they said "Trump is not interested in diplomacy, and is only interested in brute force." They know that Trump will literally do what he says, and doesn't have time for negotiations to get what he wants.
"On January 20th, as one of my many first Executive Orders, I will sign all necessary documents to charge Mexico and Canada a 25% Tariff on ALL products coming into the United States, and its ridiculous Open Borders,” Trump posted on his Truth Social platform."
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Originally posted by Patrick: Of course this is how you feel. There is nothing that'll occur, nothing, that will change how you feel about Trump. You're absolutely convinced (dare I say, brainwashed) that Trump doesn't bend. Ha!
If Canada complies with this demands before he gets into office... then did it not work?
Oh Todd, Todd, Todd... You're changing your tune day by day on what Trump's plans are.
First you were gleeful at Trump imposing a 25% tariff on everything imported from Canada. Then it became a 25% tariff on everything except oil. Now it's looking more and more like no tariff.
Trump's folding like a cheap suit. As usual, Trump opened his mouth (regarding the tariff) before engaging his brain... and he'll now need to back track.
Trump's folding like a cheap suit. As usual, Trump opened his mouth (regarding the tariff) before engaging his brain... and he'll now need to back track.
I really doubt anyone wants to see DJT actually have to put that threat/tariff in place. It's painfully obvious that regardless of what DJT does, you're not going to be happy but, a secure border is all he and we want out of this. Doesn't matter to me if he's bluffing or not, just looking for the end game.
Now, if Canada will get with the program helping to secure our shared border and then pay their fair and agreed to NATO share, we'd all be good neighbors (I'd hope). There's a price for freedom and living off the coat tails of others isn't the way to maintain good relations.
Originally posted by Patrick: Oh Todd, Todd, Todd... You're changing your tune day by day on what Trump's plans are.
First you were gleeful at Trump imposing a 25% tariff on everything imported from Canada. Then it became a 25% tariff on everything except oil. Now it's looking more and more like no tariff.
Trump's folding like a cheap suit. As usual, Trump opened his mouth (regarding the tariff) before engaging his brain... and he'll now need to back track.
Trump won, Patrick. You're going to have to accept that.
Give it your best shot. I'm pretty sure Canada (as well as myself) will be able to weather the storm just fine.
Patrick, My own personal opinions won't make any difference in how Canada reacts but, it does appear that DJT's opinion matters. I've always believed that the US should cleanup it's own problems before getting involved in other countries problems but, when the other countries' problems spread to or cause additional problems in the US, then the US needs to do something about it. In the two cases we've been talking about, border security and NATO funding, Canada is clearly sharing it's issues (lack of participation/funding) and depending on the others to carry their load.
Keeping one's word is kind of important.
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Being "disagreeable" in P&R is half the fun.
This quote from another thread tells us all we really need to know.
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January 6th retards.
Nothing like a good personal insult to make your point huh...........
Rams
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My own personal opinions won't make any difference in how Canada reacts, but...
See below.
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In the two cases we've been talking about, border security and NATO funding...
You are the only person in this entire forum talking about "NATO funding", over numerous threads ad nauseam. Okay, I get it... you're butt-hurt over Canada's level of NATO funding. Ages ago, I stated that I'd like to see Canada increase their level of funding as well. However, for some reason, you seem to think that continually harping on this is going to make some sort of difference in how the Canadian government allocates their spending. Good luck with that!
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Nothing like a good personal insult to make your point huh...........
Unless you were one of the January 6th insurrectionists who stormed the U.S. Capitol, I fail to see how anything I stated was a "personal insult" directed at you. On that note, perhaps you should re-read some of your recent comments towards me. You just love to get your little digs in (albeit lacking any impact).
Originally posted by Patrick: On that note, perhaps you should re-read some of your recent comments towards me. You just love to get your little digs in (albeit lacking any impact).
You took something I said as a "personal dig". That's unfortunate. But the posted quote below still applies.
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When Canada becomes the 51st state, Canadian citizens will have the right to vote and voice their concerns (maybe affecting a US election). Until then, whining will have to suffice.
President-elect Donald Trump has demanded Panama reduce fees on the Panama Canal or return it to US control, accusing the central American country of charging "exorbitant prices" to American shipping and naval vessels.
"The fees being charged by Panama are ridiculous, highly unfair," he told a crowd of supporters in Arizona on Sunday.
"This complete rip-off of our country will immediately stop," he said, referring to when he takes office next month.
His remarks prompted a quick rebuke from Panama's president, who said "every square metre" of the canal and surrounding area belong to his country.
President José Raúl Mulino added that Panama's sovereignty and independence were non-negotiable.
Trump made the comments to supporters of Turning Point USA, a conservative activist group that provided significant support to his 2024 election campaign.
It was a rare example of a US leader saying he could push a country to hand over territory - although he did not explain how he would do so - and a sign of how American foreign policy and diplomacy may shift once he enters the White House following his inauguration on 20 January.
Trump's comments followed a similar post a day earlier in which he said the Panama Canal was a "vital national asset" for the US.
If shipping rates are not lowered, Trump said on Sunday, "we will demand that the Panama Canal be returned to us, in full, quickly and without question".
The 51-mile (82km) Panama Canal cuts across the central American nation and is the main link between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.
It was built in the early 1900s and the US maintained control over the canal zone until 1977, when treaties gradually ceded the land back to Panama. After a period of joint control, Panama took sole control in 1999.
Up to 14,000 ships cross the canal per year, including container ships carrying cars, natural gas and other goods, and military vessels.
As well as Panama, the president-elect also took aim at Canada and Mexico over what he called unfair trade practices. He accused them of allowing drugs and immigrants into the US.
My question would be, is DJT right? Are US vessels being charged significantly more. Haven't looked into the Panama Canal but, hasn't China taken a role there?
What? If I have to explain that question to you, then it's obviously meant for someone who read the article you posted and has some idea what the rates are for vessels registered to other than US countries versus US vessels.
Please forget that I asked, no need to post further about it.
Originally posted by Patrick: I'm quite able to accept election results... unlike Trump and all the rest of the January 6th retards.
Retards ? Just like the patriots who dumped tea at our Boston tea party in 1773 ?
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Originally posted by Patrick: Unless you were one of the January 6th insurrectionists who stormed the U.S. Capitol, I fail to see how anything I stated was a "personal insult" directed at you.
Insurrectionists ? Heh. I get it. You believe the big lies of Democrats. Why ? they are liars and tell whoppers. They were protesting. Not because their team lost an election, they thought it was unconstitutionally unfair. They wanted time for court challenges. They claimed Trump told the "Big Lie" when did not believe he lost re-election.
Some other Democrat whopper lies : Biden is competent. The border is secure. The pull out of Afghanistan was done exceptionally successful. I will not pardon my son.
Whaa whaa whaa. "It's not a Canadian Ad, it's an Ontario ad. Where is the Capital City of Canada located ? Oh wait, Ontario. Is Ontario our third biggest trading partner ? Canada is.
Originally posted by cliffw: Retards ? Just like the patriots who dumped tea at our Boston tea party in 1773 ?
Insurrectionists ? Heh. I get it. You believe the big lies of Democrats. Why ? they are liars and tell whoppers. They were protesting. Not because their team lost an election, they thought it was unconstitutionally unfair. They wanted time for court challenges. They claimed Trump told the "Big Lie" when did not believe he lost re-election.
Some other Democrat whopper lies : Biden is competent. The border is secure. The pull out of Afghanistan was done exceptionally successful. I will not pardon my son.
Whaa whaa whaa. "It's not a Canadian Ad, it's an Ontario ad. Where is the Capital City of Canada located ? Oh wait, Ontario. Is Ontario our third biggest trading partner ? Canada is.
The Panama Canal ? We could just refill it, .
Oh look, another response to criticism of January 6 that relies entirely on unsubstantiated claims, broad accusations, and complete non-sequiturs.
Originally posted by NewDustin: Oh look, another response to criticism of January 6 that relies entirely on unsubstantiated claims, broad accusations, and complete non-sequiturs.
What? If I have to explain that question to you, then it's obviously meant for someone who read the article you posted and has some idea what the rates are for vessels registered to other than US countries versus US vessels.
Show me in the article where it states anywhere that American registered vessels are being charged "more" than what vessels registered in other countries are being charged. Come on, show me!
I'm OK with taking it back. I'd be all for it. We build it, we owned it before... it used to be our territory... I say take it back.
As of 1999, the canal is totally under control of Panama... but sure, just "take it back" from a sovereign nation because Trump is unhappy about the cost of using the canal.
Originally posted by cliffw: Name the unsubstantiated claims.
"They were protesting. Not because their team lost an election, they thought it was unconstitutionally unfair." "They wanted time for court challenges." "They claimed Trump told the 'Big Lie' when [he] did not believe he lost re-election."
"They were protesting. Not because their team lost an election, they thought it was unconstitutionally unfair." "They wanted time for court challenges." "They claimed Trump told the 'Big Lie' when [he] did not believe he lost re-election."
It's funny... you used to pretend to be mostly Conservative but cautiously balanced... at least, that's what you used to say (in different words).
All along though, you're definitely not conservative. You just try harder to hide it... which, I'm not sure why you bother.
January 6 is no where near the "tragedy / end of the world" that the Democrats make it out to be. Like, it's a joke. The Capitol has been stormed by Democrats three times before in the past 15 years, and no one batted an eye. None of them went to jail either... even though they vandalized, smeared feces and spray paint all over the walls... but none of them went to jail.
I think they should all be punished... every time the capitol is stormed... but the Democrats seemed to take an uneven approach to justice when it's their own people, versus Republicans. I think it's prety obvious that they WANTED January 6th to happen. There's enough evidence now to show that this was a desired outcome so they could try to play off of it. These January 6ers have literally had their due process rights eliminated... where as when the Democrats do it, they aren't even arrested... just eventually escorted out of the building when they can get enough Capitol Police to come in.
Show me in the article where it states anywhere that American registered vessels are being charged "more" than what vessels registered in other countries are being charged. Come on, show me!
Patrick, knowing you're always looking to stir a pot/thread and claim total innocence while doing it. I'll just say this, I didn't suggest or say anything you're implying, I simply asked what other countries were paying versus US vessels. Are US vessels paying more? I realize you're just trying to start more crap but, I don't see how asking such a question in anyway suggests US vessels are or aren't paying. Settle down there big boy, I'm sure you'll find something else to start a confrontation.
Rams
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I'll just say this, I didn't suggest or say anything you're implying, I simply asked what other countries were paying versus US vessels.
You're so full of baloney. Read what you posted.
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My question would be, is DJT right? Are US vessels being charged significantly more. Haven't looked into the Panama Canal but, hasn't China taken a role there?
Due to Trump's latest nonsensical outburst, you've made the assumption that American vessels are paying more than anyone else to use the Panama Canal. You asked if they're paying "significantly" more. Furthermore, you've even implied that China might be behind all this. The conspiracies are everywhere! Poor little US, everyone is picking on America... Mexico, Canada, Panama, China... it's endless!
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I realize you're just trying to start more crap...
Given your inability to get past your TDS and your apparent desire to continue arguing. Let it all out and take whatever medications as prescribed. I'm well past giving a damn.
------------------ Rams Learning most of life's lessons the hard way. . You are only young once but, you can be immature indefinitely.
ROSEAU, Minn. (AP) — The Piney-Pinecreek Border Airport has a unique claim to fame — its runway straddles the border of the U.S. and Canada. But after seven decades of operation, the small airport that sits near Roseau, Minnesota, and Piney, Manitoba in Canada, will close for good on Friday.
The Minnesota Department of Transportation said in a news release earlier this month that the airport “had very low use and faced large maintenance expenses including runway, apron and terminal reconstruction. The international agreement required to operate the airport expires on Dec. 26 and will not be renewed by either airport owner.”
The airport opened in 1953 with a grass runway — a paved runway was added in 1978. It is one of six airports straddling the border, but the only one with a paved runway. It was often used by Americans traveling to Canada to hunt and fish.
Under the international agreement, staff at the airport are allowed to cross between the two countries for their work without going through the typical customs process.
This may have been a "good idea" at some point but doesn't seem like it now. If staff can cross without going through the customs process for either side, what stops other border crossings?
The Danish government has announced a huge boost in defence spending for Greenland, hours after US President-elect Donald Trump repeated his desire to purchase the Arctic territory.
Danish Defence Minister Troels Lund Poulsen said the package was a "double digit billion amount" in krone, or at least $1.5bn (£1.2bn).
He described the timing of the announcement as an "irony of fate". On Monday Trump said ownership and control of the huge island was an "absolute necessity" for the US.
Greenland, an autonomous Danish territory, is home to a large US space facility and is strategically important for the US, lying on the shortest route from North America to Europe. It has major mineral reserves.
Poulsen said the package would allow for the purchase of two new inspection ships, two new long-range drones and two extra dog sled teams.
It would also include funding for increased staffing at Arctic Command in the capital Nuuk and an upgrade for one of Greenland's three main civilian airports to handle F-35 supersonic fighter aircraft.
"We have not invested enough in the Arctic for many years, now we are planning a stronger presence," he said.
The defence minister did not give an exact figure for the package, but Danish media estimated it would be around 12-15bn krone.
The announcement came a day after Trump said on his social media platform Truth Social: "For purposes of National Security and Freedom throughout the World, the United States of America feels that the ownership and control of Greenland is an absolute necessity."
Originally posted by NewDustin: Oh look, another response to criticism of January 6 that relies entirely on unsubstantiated claims, broad accusations, and complete non-sequiturs.
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Originally posted by cliffw: Name the unsubstantiated claims.
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Originally posted by NewDustin: "They were protesting. Not because their team lost an election, they thought it was unconstitutionally unfair." "They wanted time for court challenges." "They claimed Trump told the 'Big Lie' when [he] did not believe he lost re-election."
NewDustin, you need a better search engine. Might I suggest Google instead of Giggles ?
It is a fact that voting laws were changed (covid) by those not empowered by State Constitution legislation. Voting by mail, drop boxes, vote harvesting, there are more.
They did want time for court challenges. One can get convicted of a crime and have more time to go to court.
Ehh, they did not claim Trump told the Big Lie. That was the the Democrats who claimed that.
Canada will stop taking
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