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The war was beneficial to him and the Third Reich - at least, that was his belief when he initiated it. He wasn’t acting out of pure madness with no rationale. He had a clear vision of expanding German territory, seizing resources, and restoring what he perceived as Germany’s rightful dominance after the Treaty of Versailles. Yes, he was deranged, and his ideology was deeply rooted in antisemitism and racial superiority, which led to the Holocaust (and other atrocities). But there's a difference between being deranged and acting without motive. His actions were driven by an ideology as well as a belief in economic, military, and political benefits for Nazi Germany. |
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There is a comedian who quips "in 1914 Germany decided to go to war. Against the world. They lost.
In 1939 Germany decided to go to war again. Against the world. They lost again."
Interestingly, our Democrat party and liberal press have called Trump Hitler. The Democratic party back in 2015 said Trump, before he took office, would cause WW III. Trump is the only US President to set foot in North Korea. To shake hands with Kim Jong Un, the third Supreme Leader. During Trump's first term, North Korea quit sending rockets over South Korea and Japan. During Trump's first term he achieved more peace in the Middle East with the Abraham Accords. Peace spreads.
| | | quote | Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:
Really? The indigenous peoples of the Americas absolutely had more rights to the land than European settlers because they were, well, indigenous. They had lived there for thousands of years. That’s not about assigning moral superiority but recognizing the basic principle that people living on their land have inherent rights to it. Be it the Americas or, say, Denmark.
Yes, Native American tribes sometimes fought over territory, but that’s not comparable to large-scale European colonization, where settlers came from another continent, disregarded existing societies, and claimed vast areas by force. Racism did play a role, I agree to that; European settlers justified their actions by dehumanizing Native Americans, framing them as "savages" to legitimize taking their lands.
It’s all about recognizing that settlers weren’t simply joining in local disputes - they were invaders establishing dominance over a continent that was already inhabited by "organized" societies. |
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Hmm.
Large-scale European colonization, where settlers came from another continent, disregarded
existing societies, and claimed vast areas by force ?
Not exactly. When the Europeans came to America, they were welcomed by the Indians. The Indians taught us how to "work" the land. The US national holiday Thanksgiving is in remembrance of a shared feast with the Indians.
The Indians also "sold" traded Manhattan Island (outside of New York)for $24.00. Interesting story.
“New Netherland.” , Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences,Sold to the Dutch, who possess Greenland.
| | | quote | Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:
Racism did play a role, I agree to that; European settlers justified their actions by dehumanizing Native Americans, framing them as "savages" to legitimize taking their lands. |
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Again, not exactly.
They were savages, in their warfare. Scalping innocents and burning established property, taking slaves, ...
Yeah, they were also called redskins. The white man was called white eyes.
Isn't that called jargon ?
| | | quote | Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:
... they were invaders establishing dominance over a continent that was already inhabited by "organized" societies.
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Again, not exactly. That is what is known now as a migration expectation. A culture change. Which got tiresome to the indigenous inhabitants. England, France, Germany, et al.
[This message has been edited by cliffw (edited 01-13-2025).]
