The whole world was losing their mind over Trump implementing tariffs. The media was so negative about it, that even I started to doubt my thoughts on it. Then I remember, no one bats an eye when another country implements tariffs... it doesn't even make the news. But when Trump does it, the world's going to end.
Last Sunday, Colombia refuses to take criminal deportees back. Trump imposes tariffs, and within 6 hours, the Colombian president offers to fly them back himself on his private jet.
Last week, Trump threatened Tariffs... Canada and Mexico called his bluff. The Tariffs took effect yesterday...
Originally X'ed by ZeroHedge:MEXICAN PRESIDENT SHEINBAUM SAYS MEXICO WILL DEPLOY 10,000 NATIONAL GUARD IMMEIDATLEY TO BORDER TO AVOID TRAFFICKING OF DRUGS TO U.S.
- Canada: Before dinner-time, Canada had caved completely... Trudeau falls all over himself with this:
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Originally X'ed by Justin Trudeau:I just had a good call with President Trump. Canada is implementing our $1.3 billion border plan — reinforcing the border with new choppers, technology and personnel, enhanced coordination with our American partners, and increased resources to stop the flow of fentanyl. Nearly 10,000 frontline personnel are and will be working on protecting the border.
In addition, Canada is making new commitments to appoint a Fentanyl Czar, we will list cartels as terrorists, ensure 24/7 eyes on the border, launch a Canada- U.S. Joint Strike Force to combat organized crime, fentanyl and money laundering. I have also signed a new intelligence directive on organized crime and fentanyl and we will be backing it with $200 million.
Proposed tariffs will be paused for at least 30 days while we work together.
Seriously... how many times does Trump have to do this. The left continues their usual screed "Trump is crazy!!! The world is going to end!" and things work out better than expected. I will not take seriously any of the BS that went on in this thread with all of the hysterics from the nay-sayers: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...m12/HTML/001272.html
**** , I also forgot about Panama. Trump threatened to invade and take it back, and no sooner did he send Florida's Rubio down, and the President of Panama conceded and agreed to kick out China.
It's ONLY been 2 weeks... TWO FRIGGIN' WEEKS...
Is he going to end the Ukraine war by the end of February? Holy **** ...
Last week, Trump threatened Tariffs... Canada and Mexico called his bluff. The Tariffs took effect yesterday...
Not that facts have any relevance in P&R, but the tariffs were to take place tomorrow, the 4th.
If you don't think that Trump's "negotiation" tactics have damaged the US's relationship with everyone involved, you're only deceiving yourself. Whether or not this damage is permanent remains to be seen.
Not that facts have any relevance in P&R, but the tariffs were to take place tomorrow, the 4th.
If you don't think that Trump's "negotiation" tactics have damaged the US's relationship with everyone involved, you're only deceiving yourself. Whether or not this damage is permanent remains to be seen.
What a joke... the leadership of all three of those countries HATE the United States... and they only view the U.S. for what they can get from it. Do you think I really believe that Sheinbaum loves America? She literally hates everything it stands for... same with the Colombian President, and same with the President of Panama. Canada... I don't know... but I'm pretty sure that Trudeau has a similar view to yours... which should not be taken as love of America... but not outright hatred either.
Maybe you need to read over this thread from just under 23-1/2 years ago. Your comments in P&R are insufferable, and an embarrassment to any other Americans who've appreciated the good will between our two countries. It is so sad to witness this mutual good will being destroyed by the narcissistic egomaniac now in power of the US.
Yeah, in times of emergency, and for the most part until the Trudeau dynasty was established, the two countries worked together to help each other out.
That 'common enemy' thing.....
Then along came the Liberal crazies.
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Maybe you need to read over this thread from just under 23-1/2 years ago. Your comments in P&R are insufferable, and an embarrassment to any other Americans who've appreciated the good will between our two countries. It is so sad to witness this mutual good will being destroyed by the narcissistic egomaniac now in power of the US.
What does Canada taking our planes after 9/11 (which you literally just reiterated today that we had it coming), have to do with how Justin Trudeau feels about the United States?
Why do you strawman all the time when you're losing an argument?
Yeah, in times of emergency, and for the most part until the Trudeau dynasty was established, the two countries worked together to help each other out.
And you don't think if the same thing happened in this current day and age, that Canada wouldn't offer the same assistance? If so, you've unfortunately been completely brainwashed by whatever media you've obviously been following much too closely.
And you don't think if the same thing happened in this current day and age, that Canada wouldn't offer the same assistance? If so, you've unfortunately been completely brainwashed by whatever media you've obviously been following much too closely.
No Patrick, I have been a student of history since before you were born. As a history buff, I know that multiple and varied sources of information are prerequisite to seeing truth, and the evening news is seldom a reliable source due to biases, no matter if it's conservative or liberal.
Expand your sources and wear your headgear on the ice.
For you to be an actual "student of history" (let's say starting at 12) since before I was born, you'd need to currently be about 82 years of age. I very much doubt you're that old.
Not that facts have any relevance in P&R, but the tariffs were to take place tomorrow, the 4th.
If you don't think that Trump's "negotiation" tactics have damaged the US's relationship with everyone involved, you're only deceiving yourself. Whether or not this damage is permanent remains to be seen.
Most of us (Americans) already believe the only reason the US gets any respect is due to the strength of our military and the almighty dollar, they want it. Much of that is our fault, buying friends is simply stupid. So, losing the respect of countries that are only friendly due to that almighty dollar isn't such a big deal. They'll come back around once they get some more US dollars.
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And you don't think if the same thing happened in this current day and age, that Canada wouldn't offer the same assistance? If so, you've unfortunately been completely brainwashed by whatever media you've obviously been following much too closely.
I do think that if another national emergency occurred in either Canada or the US, the other country would respond with aid. I don't believe Americans see Canada as an enemy, I do believe that Americans don't think Canada is pulling their share of the load. But that doesn't equivocate to a lack of assistance in time of need.
------------------ Rams Learning most of life's lessons the hard way. . You are only young once but, you can be immature indefinitely.
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Most of us (Americans) already believe the only reason the US gets any respect is due to the strength of our military and the almighty dollar, they want it.
I can't speak for how citizens of any other country feel, but most Canadians feel that Americans are part of their extended family. Most of us have friends and actual "blood" family in the States. Perhaps the feeling isn't reciprocal. Perhaps Canadians are sentimental fools. Whatever... Trump is doing his best to extinguish those warm feelings that have been extended across the border for over a hundred years.
For you to be an actual "student of history" (let's say starting at 12) since before I was born, you'd need to currently be about 82 years of age. I very much doubt you're that old.
I'm not 82, yet, but my interest in history started much earlier than age 12. I was reading at a 6th grade level in 2nd grade, and being an only child in a military family, books were my refuge. Kids stories and fiction weren't interesting, but books about the past were fascinating. They still are.
I was reading at a 6th grade level in 2nd grade, and being an only child in a military family, books were my refuge.
Well, you've been reading the wrong books then, if you honestly believe the "Liberal crazies" in Canada wouldn't again open up their homes to stranded Americans like was done in the aftermath of 9/11.
Well, you've been reading the wrong books then, if you honestly believe the "Liberal crazies" in Canada wouldn't again open up their homes to stranded Americans like was done in the aftermath of 9/11.
Don't put words in my mouth, I did not say, think or imply that.
I can't speak for how citizens of any other country feel, but most Canadians feel that Americans are part of their extended family. Most of us have friends and actual "blood" family in the States. Perhaps the feeling isn't reciprocal. Perhaps Canadians are sentimental fools. Whatever... Trump is doing his best to extinguish those warm feelings that have been extended across the border for over a hundred years.
I believe you're correct on how both Canadians and Americans see each other. What you have failed to see is that DJT is trying to keep Americans safe, Mexico and Canada's governments don't seem to be interested which is strange because secured borders protect folks on both sides of the border.
I believe you're correct on how both Canadians and Americans see each other. What you have failed to see is that DJT is trying to keep Americans safe, Mexico and Canada's governments don't seem to be interested which is strange because secured borders protect folks on both sides of the border.
Rams
Perhaps our Canadian friend is just arguing for the sake of arguing.
One has to look for common ground if seeking resolution.
Yeah, in times of emergency, and for the most part until the Trudeau dynasty was established, the two countries worked together to help each other out.
Patrick, you are way off base in your 'analysis' of my comment and have read something into it that was not remotely connected to the hospitality shown during the events of 911.
Additionally, you disparaging comment about age and mental acuity is rude and misplaced.
Please wear your helmet when you play hockey so you don't damage yourself any further.
What if it was Canada that was the economic and military powerhouse and was saying they were going to impose tariffs or saying that the U.S. should become the 11th Canadian province or 4th Canadian territory? How would you feel then? Wouldn't you be a bit miffed? Wouldn't your first thoughts be, "WTF? We've been a good friend to those Canucks and are now trying to force their way on us! They don't appreciate us. We'll remember this."
Wouldn't you boo the playing of 'O Canada' at sporting events, forego Canadian maple syrup, etc? Oh, course you would? If you say you wouldn't, then you are kidding yourselves.
Patrick, you are way off base in your 'analysis' of my comment and have read something into it that was not remotely connected to the hospitality shown during the events of 911.
Go back to where you originally made your post Here... immediately after my 9/11 comment. How would you expect it to be interpreted?
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Additionally, you disparaging comment about age and mental acuity is rude and misplaced.
Get a grip Joe, I'm barely younger than you.
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Originally posted by olejoedad:
Please wear your helmet when you play hockey so you don't damage yourself any further.
"...any further". That disparaging comment about my accumulated hockey head injuries is rude and misplaced. lol
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Wouldn't you boo the playing of 'O Canada' at sporting events...
Funny you should mention that. Last night's NHL hockey game between the Detroit Red Wings and the Canucks was being played here in Vancouver. At the start of the game, there was the usual playing/singing of the two national anthems. I was rather taken by surprise when the crowd began loudly booing at the start of the Star-Spangled Banner. (I had kind of put out of my mind the tensions of the last little while.)
I felt bad for the young woman (in a wheel chair no less!) who was the guest anthem singer for the night, as it looked for a moment like she was about to start crying! However, the crowd more than made up for it when they very boisterously joined her in the singing of O Canada, and then gave her a rousing ovation afterwards.
The whole world was losing their mind over Trump implementing tariffs. The media was so negative about it, that even I started to doubt my thoughts on it. Then I remember, no one bats an eye when another country implements tariffs... it doesn't even make the news. But when Trump does it, the world's going to end.
Last Sunday, Colombia refuses to take criminal deportees back. Trump imposes tariffs, and within 6 hours, the Colombian president offers to fly them back himself on his private jet.
Last week, Trump threatened Tariffs... Canada and Mexico called his bluff. The Tariffs took effect yesterday...
Seriously... how many times does Trump have to do this. The left continues their usual screed "Trump is crazy!!! The world is going to end!" and things work out better than expected. I will not take seriously any of the BS that went on in this thread with all of the hysterics from the nay-sayers: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...m12/HTML/001272.html
You may want to read this. Sounds like the President got his arse handed to him on a platter by Canadian Premier Trudeau and Mexican President Sheinbaum...
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: What a joke... the leadership of all three of those countries HATE the United States... and they only view the U.S. for what they can get from it.
The Left's idea of successful foreign policy is whether or not another country "loves" us or not. Gifting foreign nations with huge amounts American taxpayer's money and ceding our own national interests is supposed to, (in the Leftist's childish view), get them to "love" us.
An "America first" foreign policy is now an overdue "rude awakening" to many of these countries who have taken our largess for granted and / or exploited the fecklessness of Leftist -Demorat "policies" for far too long.
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You may want to read this. Sounds like the President got his arse handed to him on a platter by Canadian Premier Trudeau and Mexican President Sheinbaum...
I can't speak for how citizens of any other country feel, but most Canadians feel that Americans are part of their extended family. Most of us have friends and actual "blood" family in the States. Perhaps the feeling isn't reciprocal. Perhaps Canadians are sentimental fools. Whatever... Trump is doing his best to extinguish those warm feelings that have been extended across the border for over a hundred years.
I'm going to make this really clear, so you don't continue to manipulate my words. What the "citizens" of Canada and the United States feel towards each other, is vastly different than what the leadership does. Trudeau is a VERY left-leaning leader, as was Joe Biden, and especially the Mexican president (who's considered radical left). The three of them were great friends.
For reasons UNKNOWN to me... all three of these leaders were totally OK with mass migration, and fentanyl going through. I have my own thoughts... (e.g., they are influenced from their globalist donors to allow such things), but regardless... that's what we've been dealing with.
We now have Donald Trump as president of the United States. The Mexican president, and Trudeau both hate Trump. You went on this whole tangent about how Canada is one and somehow conflated Trudeau's hatred of Trump as me thinking the entire country of Canada hates America, or the other way around. I don't even know how you ended up that way, but I don't care... you should understand now clearly.
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You may want to read this. Sounds like the President got his arse handed to him on a platter by Canadian Premier Trudeau and Mexican President Sheinbaum...
How do you win when your adversary gives you something that you already had and convinces you that it's different?
I am thrilled that our country and our country's politics is of such importance to you. However, I'd like to remind you that your desire for Trump to not be successful at all does not negate facts.
Mexico ABSOLUTELY didn’t agree to any of these things (any of them) until this week, and now not only have they agreed to them, but made agreements / commitments to them. To further emphasize that… Mexico stated the exact opposite, even saying that it was the right of people to come into America, or some nonsense.
Canada again, absolutely had no plan to do any of this, until Trump threatened tariffs. Canada notionally said they would put more effort on the border when Trump was threatening tariffs in December. Let's stop there for a minute and recognize that THIS is what your article is referring to. We were all here a month and a half ago. It wasn't so far in history as to be completely forgotten to the ages. Trump threatened tariffs immediately after winning the election, and in December, Trudeau stated the intent to fight them, and also concede to improve the border. It was a total mess, and his secretary of finance resigned due to his incompetence in dealing with Trump. All that said, nothing had been implemented at all. There was no commitment, no specifics. Trump got Trudeau to specifically state they would add 10,000 border patrol officers at the border… which is the EXACT same number that he got Mexico to AGAIN commit to.
In addition, there are several other components that both presidents agreed to... including taking an active role in eliminating drug lords on the border. This literally just happened yesterday late afternoon after Mexico committed (that morning) to Trump's demands:
Mexican Authorities Arrest Cartel Leader After Trump Pressures Government to Crack Down on Cartels
Laredo Morning Times: A high-ranking leader with the Cartel del Noreste has been arrested in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico. He was identified as Ricardo González Sauceda, also known as “El Ricky” or “Mando R.” González Sauceda, 27, has two arrest warrants for attempted homicide, as well as for crimes against official institutions and public servants, among other charges. He is also linked to multiple crimes, including extortion, homicides and attacks on federal forces (Laredo Morning Times). End Wokeness: Mexico just arrested El Ricky, a top leader of Cartel del Noreste, right after Trump pressured them to crack down on cartels (X).
You may want to read this. Sounds like the President got his arse handed to him on a platter by Canadian Premier Trudeau and Mexican President Sheinbaum...
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I am thrilled that our country and our country's politics is of such importance to you. However, I'd like to remind you that your desire for Trump to not be successful at all does not negate facts.
Todd, in another thread he informed us he was an American citizen. Also that he has voted in several USA Presidential elections.
When I am out of town working, I check back home to see what's going on and make my opinion known.
I don't know how he ended up in Australia but if Harris would have won, I would not move to Canada. Australia would be high on my list of choices. Canada is on the list but I do not like to shovel snow and wear twenty levels of clothes, .
Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: Think about this...
What if it was Canada that was the economic and military powerhouse and was saying they were going to impose tariffs or saying that the U.S. should become the 11th Canadian province or 4th Canadian territory? How would you feel then? Wouldn't you be a bit miffed? Wouldn't your first thoughts be, "WTF? We've been a good friend to those Canucks and are now trying to force their way on us! They don't appreciate us. We'll remember this."
Mike, think about this ...
What if your wife says she is going to impose sex tariffs on your behavior ? I cave every time, .
Todd, in another thread he informed us he was an American citizen. Also that he has voted in several USA Presidential elections.
When I am out of town working, I check back home to see what's going on and make my opinion known.
I don't know how he ended up in Australia but if Harris would have won, I would not move to Canada. Australia would be high on my list of choices. Canada is on the list but I do not like to shovel snow and wear twenty levels of clothes, .
Well, if it was in Alice Springs, then I'd know exactly what he was doing.
What if it was Canada that was the economic and military powerhouse and was saying they were going to impose tariffs or saying that the U.S. should become the 11th Canadian province or 4th Canadian territory? How would you feel then? Wouldn't you be a bit miffed? Wouldn't your first thoughts be, "WTF? We've been a good friend to those Canucks and are now trying to force their way on us! They don't appreciate us. We'll remember this."
Wouldn't you boo the playing of 'O Canada' at sporting events, forego Canadian maple syrup, etc? Oh, course you would? If you say you wouldn't, then you are kidding yourselves.
Mike, I agree with your comparison of if the shoe was on the other foot. But what's not considered is it's not illegal immigration and trafficking headed north. I sincerely believe that if the whole situation was reversed, then the US would be attempting to help Canada secure our northern border. Up until the DJT tariff threat, Canada was barely trying, Mexico didn't give a damn and was actually assisting our invaders getting to our southern border.
Reference the game where the singer was booed, dump the Canadian team out of the league. If one doesn't wish to applaud, cheer or sing along, then just ignore the performance. During the Olympics, we don't boo any other nation but, you will hear Americans shouting USA, USA, USA! At the recent Paris Olympics, there was a special report about how that ticked off the Aussies. But the crowd never booed any team, they only cheered on USA athletes. Actually, kind of shameful on the home court's crowd. Unfortunately, I'm relatively sure that booing will be remembered when that Canadian team comes south to play. I hope that doesn't happen.
Originally posted by blackrams: Mexico didn't give a damn and was actually assisting our invaders getting to our southern border.
Rams
This is such an important and key point in all of this... which gets completely missed.
Even now... there's a lot of articles trying to knock down Trump's win with Mexico... stating that 10k troops were also given to Biden. This is a manipulation of facts, at best. These troops were ordered to the SOUTHERN border of Mexico, not to assist the United States in the northern border. Furthermore, this didn't stop migrants from Mexico from coming over, and very quickly after... these troops disbanded and the government actually set up a process of facilitating migrants from Central America all the way to the U.S. border.
I can't emphasize this enough... there were hundreds of busses that would make a routine rotation to transport people from Mexico's southern border, directly to the U.S. southern border. The UN' UNHCR also provided funding (which came from us, no shock, USAID) to even provide food, water, and shelter during their trip to the U.S. southern border.
So, here's the thing... no one in their right mind supports a mass migration of totally impoverished people into their country. It was different in the 1920s and 1930s when they didn't get massive government subsidies. No one in their right mind would support this if your interest was legitimately to ensure the success of the United States. No reasonable person would allow their country to be overrun by people who are coming here without the country's best interests in mind.
We ALREADY have work VISA programs here in the United States to ... as the Democrats seem concerned with, provide cheap labor to them (picking oranges, vegetables, other slave-duties that they seem to think are entirely dedicated to immigrants). But everything Biden did quite honestly, was to get as many people into the country as possible.
Ask yourself why... and then, ask yourself why you support that?
For Rams... you know obviously that the vast majority of the left-leaning people here have no idea why they support this, other than the fact that it's something Biden wanted, so they make every effort to convince themselves they should support it (becuase, who knows...). So I ask you Mike from Sydney... why do you support massive illegal immigration into the United States?
If so, you've unfortunately been completely brainwashed by whatever media you've obviously been following much too closely. 
That disparaging comment about my accumulated hockey head injuries is rude and misplaced. lol
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