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THE RUMP JUST AFGANED THE U by ray b
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Originally posted by cliffw:


Your spelling is getting better

Rump did not surrender to the Taliban.


LIE
AND NOTHING ELSE
HE SET IT UP
LIKE A BOWLING PIN

THE ONLY WAY THE CULT CAN FUNCTION
IS TO LIE
THE TRUTH CAN NOT SURVIVE ON THE DARK SIDE

Gop LOVES RERUNS
TRUMP WANT TO DO TO THE U
EXACTLY WHAT HE DID TO THE AFGANS
CUT AND RUN LIKE THE CHICKENCHIT HE IS
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Originally posted by ray b:


WORKERS AND CORP-RATS MADE MONEY HERE
THE MONEY STAYED HERE THE R O E WAS HERE
THE STUFF WENT BOOM OVER THERE ON PUTINS TROOPS

WHY IS THE CULT SO SOLIDLY COMPLETELY BEHIND THE DARK SIDE
AND LYING ABOUT IT ?



Ray, respectfully, I don't think you're getting the big picture here. This isn't a zero-sum situation. The weapons, tanks, and drones are not free.

Do you understand that $125 billion dollars of equipment was GIVEN to Ukraine? Maybe 10% of that money was recovered in various taxes (personal income taxes, corporate taxes, etc.). Do you understand how this works?
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You guys do know how money laundering works right?
You can't out right send money to people, even morons would figure that out. You have to have something to trade, set a high value on it then collect the "tax" and "service fees".


I am glad you mentioned that.

Trump put the offer on the table. The art of the deal. We would help fund the Ukranian's efforts in exchange for rights to 50% of their critical minerals including rare earth minerals. ( Is that why Putin wants to own Ukraine ?)

 
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What are Ukraine's critical minerals and why does Trump want them?

By Reuters
February 12, 20258:59 AM CSTUpdated 9 days ago
KYIV, Feb 12 (Reuters) - U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent arrived in Kyiv on Wednesday to discuss a critical minerals deal as Ukraine vies to win the backing of U.S. President Donald Trump at a perilous diplomatic juncture in the war with Russia.
Trump has said he wants Ukraine to supply the United States with rare earth minerals as a form of payment for financially supporting the country's war efforts against Russia.

Following is an overview of the critical minerals, including rare earths, and other natural resources in Ukraine that could be of interest to the U.S. and other partners:

WHAT ARE RARE EARTHS AND WHAT ARE THEY USED FOR?
Rare earths are a group of 17 metals used to make magnets that turn power into motion for electric vehicles, cell phones, missile systems, and other electronics. There are no viable substitutes.

The U.S. Geological Survey considers 50 minerals to be critical, including rare earths such as nickel and lithium.
Critical minerals are essential for industries such as defence, high-tech appliances, aerospace and green energy.

WHAT MINERAL RESOURCES DOES UKRAINE HAVE?
Ukraine has deposits of 22 of the 34 minerals identified by the European Union as critical, according to Ukrainian data. They include industrial and construction materials, ferroalloy, precious and non-ferrous metals, and some rare earth elements.
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Originally posted by ray b:
LIE
AND NOTHING ELSE
HE SET IT UP
LIKE A BOWLING PIN


Just because bowling pins were set up means nothing.

How long did you want to keep sending other US citizens kids to die there ? Trump was going to end foreign wars, particularly in Afghanistan (20+ years).

Biden bowled the ball down the aisle / alley. He bowled a gutter ball.
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Perhaps a trip through recent history concerning the Russia / Ukraine conflict would help untangle the mire of the news media's propaganda ........

An enlightening article that chronicles just that, from The Federalist....


https://thefederalist.com/2...war-history-edition/

Be sure to read it carefully, and don't forget the WSJ tie-in....
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Putin controls Fox "news" and OAN "news"...these are the only sources that American conservatives listen to because they love being patted on the shoulder and told how good they are (Used car salesman routine)

"Hey- did you know how great Russia is? Or how Putin is a great Christian leader?" 15 years ago, all of my friends (Who are conservatives) started telling me this idiocy...(Putin is actually a thug and a terrorist- and a dictator who gamed the Russian election system to make him dictator-for-life....And he swore on numerous occasions that he would do anything to destroy America.)

Back in 2015, he ran the BS conspiracy theory up the flag pole; "Obama has ordered the US military to join with Chinese Red army and attack Texas, confining all Texans to Walmarts!!!!"

This did not even have internal logic- the RepCons had been stating that "Obama hates the military and the Military hates Obama!!!" (So why would the military go against the Constitution?)

But all the conservatives drank this cool-aid and started buying up guns and ammo....Proving to Putin that his US Propaganda machine was fully successful....a few months later, "Lord Trump" was advanced as the "ONLY LEADER WE SHOULDER EVER HAVE- FOREVER!!!!!"

After Jan-6, most of the conservatives were in shock- really upset...but after watching Fox-Russia news for a few weeks they started stating "It was evil Antifa-fags who attacked the capitol- good conservatives would NEVER do that!!"......and a few years later they had converted to "We DID it- and we should have FINISHED the job- burn the capitol to the ground!!!"

Vlad's plan to destroy America is now fully operational- he is very happy- which apparently makes the "Conservatives" happy...next they will burn their flags and Constitutions when Trump (Putin) tells them to..

Also, Putin has been BSing the Leftys- thru CNN but especially BLM....That is how he planted the stupid idiotic idea of "Defund the Police" (BLM is funded and controlled by Russia)

I am a real conservative- my favorite presidents are Washington, Lincoln, Eisenhower, Reagan- but especially Teddy Roosevelt....They are all rolling in their graves over what the new "conservatives" are doing to our country

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Thoughts on the Russia/Ukraine war and the path to peace, from VDH.

https://amgreatness.com/202...ukrainian-tightrope/
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Originally posted by olejoedad:

Thoughts on the Russia/Ukraine war and the path to peace, from VDH.

https://amgreatness.com/202...ukrainian-tightrope/


THAT FASCIST PIG WOULD GIVE PUTIN ALL HE HAS BEFORE THE LAST INVASION in 2022

justice would be give all the land back from 1999
pay damages
putin must resign
russia not the U pay for all aid sent to the U by giving up their oil exports

if PUTIN'S RUSSIAN TROOP NEVER INVADED
THE WEST WOULD NEVER HAVE ARMED THE U
SO ALL THE COST
OF THE WESTERN AID
OF THE REBUILDING OF ALL OF THE U
OF THE TROOPS AND CITIZENS KILL OR WOUNDED COSTS
THAT ALL MUST BE PAID FROM RUSSIAN NATURAL NATIONAL RESOURCES [OIL]
NO PAYMENTS FROM THE U AS YOUR TRUMP DEMANDED THAT IS JUST WRONG

THE TRUMP ATTEMPTED EXTORTION OF THE U WAS CRIMINAL
AND HE SHOULD BE CHARGED TRIED AND JAILED AS THE CRIMINAL HE IS IN FACT

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THAT FASCIST PIG WOULD GIVE PUTIN ALL HE HAS BEFORE THE LAST INVASION in 2022

justice would be give all the land back from 1999
pay damages
putin must resign
russia not the U pay for all aid sent to the U by giving up their oil exports

if PUTIN'S RUSSIAN TROOP NEVER INVADED
THE WEST WOULD NEVER HAVE ARMED THE U
SO ALL THE COST
OF THE WESTERN AID
OF THE REBUILDING OF ALL OF THE U
OF THE TROOPS AND CITIZENS KILL OR WOUNDED COSTS
THAT ALL MUST BE PAID FROM RUSSIAN NATURAL NATIONAL RESOURCES [OIL]
NO PAYMENTS FROM THE U AS YOUR TRUMP DEMANDED THAT IS JUST WRONG

THE TRUMP ATTEMPTED EXTORTION OF THE U WAS CRIMINAL
AND HE SHOULD BE CHARGED TRIED AND JAILED AS THE CRIMINAL HE IS IN FACT



I agree with some of the things you screamed, but certainly not all of your diatribe.

Shouldn't have happened, but it did.

That's what weak leadership does when evil people observe a rudderless superpower.
Just like sharks in the water when they sense blood.

Obama was a weak fool, just like Biden.

One can't put the thought away that Obama intentionally tried to turn America into a Socialist paradise.

Fortunately for our children and grandchildren, the effort failed.
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(Used car salesman routine)


What is the new car routine ? Hello pot, meet kettle.
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I think I now understand what President Trump is trying to do here. He is trying to entice Russia into both a peace deal and a rare earth mining deal. Trump knows that if he gets Russia and Ukraine making a lot of money together, that they will have less reasons to fight. The US will have an interest in the region as we will have US businesses mining or assisting in mining the minerals. It would be in all parties best interest to keep the peace. A bonus would be that it would break up China's near monopoly on rare earth mineral mining.

If President Trump can pull this off, it will be a win for all involved. The fighting stops and everyone makes a lot of money.
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NO

YOUR RUMP IS A TRAITOR TO THE FREE WORLD
NOT JUST OUR NATION BUT THE WHOLE WESTERN WAY OF LIFE
PUTIN OWNS THE RUMP
WHY I DO NOT KNOW

THE CULT SHOULD BE ASHAMED
BUT LIKE TAILGUNNER JOE
i SUSPECT THEY HAVE NONE
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Isn't it great to live in a country where one is allowed to express one's opinions and thoughts?
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Originally posted by olejoedad:

Isn't it great to live in a country where one is allowed to express one's opinions and thoughts?


USE TO BE !

BUT FOR HOW MUCH LONGER ?

PUTIN KILLS
RUMP SUPPORTS PUTIN
HOW LONG BEFORE THE RUMP COPYS PUTIN

RUMP SHOWS HIS TRUE COLORS TODAY
HE IS A TRAITOR
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USE TO BE !

BUT FOR HOW MUCH LONGER ?

PUTIN KILLS
RUMP SUPPORTS PUTIN
HOW LONG BEFORE THE RUMP COPYS PUTIN

RUMP SHOWS HIS TRUE COLORS TODAY
HE IS A TRAITOR


Just damn Ray...

Give it a freakin' rest.
You keep on spewing the same old sh!t. Time after time.
Nobody is listening to you. You've lost your cred - if, indeed, you ever had any.
You're just shouting at the sky. The adults are pointing and laughing at you.

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Just damn Ray...

Give it a freakin' rest.
You keep on spewing the same old sh!t. Time after time.
Nobody is listening to you. You've lost your cred - if, indeed, you ever had any.
You're just shouting at the sky. The adults are pointing and laughing at you.


SORRY
BUT
YOUR GUYS ELECTED
A RUSSIAN ASSET
AND NOBODY CARES
ESP IF THEY MADE A BUCK
THE ORANGE RETARD IS PUTIN'S PUPPET
GETS WORSE EVER DAY
WE ARE NOW ALLIED WITH RUSSIA AGAINST THE EURO'S
FEELS LIKE 1984 SIDES SWAPPING
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SORRY
BUT
YOUR GUYS ELECTED
A RUSSIAN ASSET
AND NOBODY CARES
ESP IF THEY MADE A BUCK
THE ORANGE RETARD IS PUTIN'S PUPPET
GETS WORSE EVER DAY
WE ARE NOW ALLIED WITH RUSSIA AGAINST THE EURO'S
FEELS LIKE 1984 SIDES SWAPPING


You are the last person that should be throwing around the retard word. You found the reddit echo chamber r/LeopardsAteMyFace and the little choo choo train of a brain you have has been circling the Xmas tree with that thought ever since. Just stop At this point you are just an embarassment
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Just stop At this point you are just an embarassment


AND he is a great example of 'snowballing' and a downward spiral....

Sometimes, he is really funny:
 
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joe was a moderate centrist middle of the road guy

rump is off the road passed the right of way out

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And then there's this, from Molly Hemmingway....

https://x.com/MZHemingway/s.../1895872853930545214

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ALLIED WITH A MOB BOSS AND SO DAMM PROUD OF IT

SELL OUT OUR NATIONS IDEALS TO SAVE A BUCK

ABANDON OUR FREE ALLIED NATIONS

SURRENDER TO PUTIN

NO THAT IS THE DARK SIDE

DON'T BE EVIL
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You are the last person that should be throwing around the retard word. You found the reddit echo chamber r/LeopardsAteMyFace and the little choo choo train of a brain you have has been circling the Xmas tree with that thought ever since. Just stop At this point you are just an embarassment


LEOPARDS WILL EAT YOUR FACE

IT IS WHAT THEY DO

EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT IS INSANE

RUMP IS EVIL
NOT STUPID
NOT MISINFORMED
NOT DELUDED
JUST EVIL
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DEFENCE SEC PETE HELYCLIF TOLD US CYBER COMMAND TO STAND DOWN ON RUSSIA
Pete Hegseth Orders US Cyber Command to Stand Down on Russia: Reports
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U.S. Cyber Command has been ordered to halt offensive operations against Russia, according to reports.

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth's instruction, part of a move to bring Russian President Vladimir Putin into talks about the war in Ukraine, highlights a new relationship between Moscow and Washington, The New York Times said.

The publication and other U.S. outlets, such as CNN and NBC, reported Hegseth's order citing unnamed current and former officials. The Record, a cybersecurity news site, was the first to report on the order.

In a statement on Monday, the Pentagon told Newsweek that it did not comment nor discuss cyber intelligence, plans, or operations due to operational security concerns.
Why It Matters

Critics of the move are concerned that such a pause on offensive cyber operations against Russia—critical to understanding Moscow's intentions ahead of any negotiations—could make the U.S. more vulnerable to potential cyberattacks from Moscow.
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What To Know

On February 28, the Record reported that Hegseth had ordered U.S. Cyber Command to stand down from all planning against Russia, including offensive digital actions.

U.S. Cyber Command, established more than a decade ago, has several thousand computer operatives at its base at Fort Meade, Maryland.

The defense secretary gave the instruction to Cyber Command Chief General Timothy Haugh, who then informed the organization's outgoing director of operations, Marine Corps Major General Ryan Heritage, three unnamed people familiar with the matter told the Record.
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"The order does not apply to the National Security Agency, which Haugh also leads, or its signals intelligence work targeting Russia," the outlet reported.

A senior U.S. defense official told Newsweek that due to operational security concerns, "we do not comment nor discuss cyber intelligence, plans, or operations."

"There is no greater priority to Secretary Hegseth than the safety of the Warfighter in all operations, to include the cyber domain," the statement added.

The New York Times said Hegseth's instructions were issued before the White House spat between U.S. President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and that they form part of a reassessment of all operations against Russia, which have not been announced publicly.

According to the Times, while officials said it was common for military operations to be paused during diplomatic negotiations, retreating from cyberoperations against Russia would be a gamble because it relied on Putin reciprocating with a similar move.

The U.S. has previously said Russia has tried to penetrate its networks, and Moscow has also faced accusations of sabotage efforts in Europe—including suspected attempts to cut communications cables, mysterious explosions and assassination plots.

One unnamed official told CNN that the suspension was a "major blow," while Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer wrote on X, formerly Twitter, that it would be a "critical strategic mistake" that could play into Putin's hands.
What People Are Saying

A senior U.S. defense official told Newsweek: "Due to operational security concerns, we do not comment nor discuss cyber intelligence, plans, or operations. There is no greater priority to Secretary Hegseth than the safety of the warfighter in all operations, to include the cyber domain."

Jason Kikta, a former Cyber Command official, told CNN: "It is not uncommon for the Pentagon to pause actions which are potentially destabilizing or provocative for negotiations, including cyber-effects operations. But if a planning pause was also directed, that could cause offensive options to become stale and therefore nonviable."

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer wrote on X on Sunday: "Donald Trump is so desperate to earn the affection of a thug like Vladimir Putin he appears to be giving him a free pass as Russia continues to launch cyber operations and ransomware attacks against critical American infrastructure, threatening our economic and national security."
What Happens Next

The consequences of Hegseth's order are unclear. According to the Record, if it applies to U.S. Cyber Command digital operatives focused on Russia, the instruction will affect hundreds of people, including members of the roughly 2,000-strong Cyber National Mission Force and the Cyber Mission Force.

However, if the guidance extends to areas such as intelligence and analysis or capabilities development, far more people will be affected.

On Sunday, the U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency said on X that its mission to defend against all cyber threats, including from Russia, had not changed.

Update 03/03/25, 8:01 a.m. ET: A Pentagon statement has been added.
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LEOPARDS WILL EAT YOUR FACE

IT IS WHAT THEY DO

EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT IS INSANE

RUMP IS EVIL
NOT STUPID
NOT MISINFORMED
NOT DELUDED
JUST EVIL


It is so cute when you double down and just confirm how simple minded you are. Please ask your caretaker to remove your internet access for your mental wellbeing
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DEFENCE SEC PETE HELYCLIF TOLD US CYBER COMMAND TO STAND DOWN ON RUSSIA
Pete Hegseth Orders US Cyber Command to Stand Down on Russia: Reports
Published Mar 03, 2025 at 5:36 AM EST
Updated Mar 03, 2025 at 8:01 AM EST
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This is EXACTLY what Biden did when he came into office... and just to be clear, I worked for Cyber Command on loan from the agency, doing offensive cyber operations. Biden halted all offensive operations, but he didn't announce it.

I'll tell you that when I was working under President Trump... we most certainly did not stand down from anything, regardless of the adversary.


You may want to think about this for a second.

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Z **** the bed and the deal is off. The diplomats had already negotiated a deal which would have given official US government support for joint US-Ukraine mining operations. It would have also given President Trump more leverage in peace talks with Russia. Russia showed interest in having a similar rare earth metals deal with the US too. I believe President Trump was going to cut a mining deal with both sides, get US interests on both sides of the border and make lots of money for both of them. That would motivate them to keep the peace because going to war again would kill the goose that lays the golden egg.

All Zelensky had to do was smile for the camera and sign the deal that his team had already negotiated. Instead he insulted the US and demanding something he knew he would never get. He demanded a security guaranty that he is not going to get from anyone. No one is going to risk WW III over Ukraine. It is mind boggling that he thought that if he debated the issue in front of the media that he would get his way.

Who is the cyka now Zelensky?

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From Scott McKay, in the American Spectator......

https://spectator.org/the-e...volodymyr-zelenskyy/
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TO BE CLEAR THE CULT SUPPORTS PUTIN

WHY I HAVE NO IDEA

PUTIN IS EVIL
SO
YOUR CULT SUPPORTS EVIL

WHY ARE YOU EVIL ?
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TO BE CLEAR THE CULT SUPPORTS PUTIN

WHY I HAVE NO IDEA

PUTIN IS EVIL
SO
YOUR CULT SUPPORTS EVIL

WHY ARE YOU EVIL ?


Why are you nothing but a troll?
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Why are you nothing but a troll?


NO THE REINCARNATION OF THE WHITE ROSE
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Is everyone familiar with the term 'useful idiot'?
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Polish Cold War hero Walesa writes to Trump expressing 'horror' at Zelenskiy spat
By Reuters
March 3, 202511:32 AM ESTUpdated 8 hours ago
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Former Polish President Lech Walesa looks on after voting during the Polish local elections at a polling station in Gdansk, Poland, April 7, 2024. REUTERS/Lukasz Glowala/File
WARSAW, March 3 (Reuters) - Lech Walesa, the former Polish president and Solidarity trade union leader who played a leading role in the fall of Communism, signed a letter to U.S. President Donald Trump expressing "horror" at his argument with Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelenskiy.
The Nobel Peace Prize-winner posted the text of the letter, which was signed by 39 Polish former political prisoners, on Facebook on Monday.
In an extraordinary meeting that was broadcast live on Friday, Trump accused Zelenskiy of being ungrateful for U.S. aid, of showing disrespect to his country and of risking World War Three, casting into doubt Washington's ongoing support for Ukraine in its three-year-long war with Russia.

"We watched your conversation with the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskiy with horror and distaste," the letter said.
"We consider your expectations regarding showing respect and gratitude for the material assistance provided by the United States to Ukraine in its fight with Russia to be offensive," the letter continued.
"Gratitude is due to the heroic Ukrainian soldiers who shed blood in defence of the values ​​of the free world."
Trump and Vice President JD Vance laid into Zelenskiy during the meeting, driving relations with Kyiv's most important wartime ally to a new low. The Ukrainian leader was told to leave, a U.S. official said.

The letter signed by Walesa compared the atmosphere during the meeting to that found in "interrogations by the Security Service and... in communist courts".
It also called on the United States to fulfill the security guarantees given to Ukraine in 1994 after the break-up of the Soviet Union.
"These guarantees are unconditional: there is not a word there about treating such aid as economic exchange," the letter said.
The U.S. embassy in Warsaw said questions on the letter should be directed to the White House press office, which did not immediately respond to an emailed request for comment.
Poland's current president Andrzej Duda said on Saturday that Zelenskiy should get back to negotiations with the U.S.
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Is everyone familiar with the term 'useful idiot'?


THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE RUMP IS FOR PUTIN

AND WHAT YOU ARE IN THE CULT
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THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE RUMP IS FOR PUTIN

AND WHAT YOU ARE IN THE CULT


Says the resident U I.....
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THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE RUMP IS FOR PUTIN

AND WHAT YOU ARE IN THE CULT


This is all you have, name calling.

The best part of this thread is stuck in this rump

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The basics are at risk. Might-makes-right vs fairness and truthfulness is the very tussle here.

Ukraine needs to soldier on...for the sake of the western world, meaning for our sake. But not alone of course.

The integrity of the foundation of post- WWII security is openly at stake. Putin needs his ears pinned back by a western coalition. Now.

No free land to the wretched POS.

Any agreement with Russia that is not backed by the certainty that they will get a boot up their ass if they don't honor it,
is not an agreement. They're orcs. ONLY FOOLS TRUST ORC'S


If donald told Zalinsky that thet war would end tomorrow if only Ukraine let Russia keep the land they have stolen
should he take that deal?

If Zalensky knew for sure, that it would stop there, he might be tempted to make a deal.

But he knows (we all know) that it won’t stop there, Russia has shown that time and time again. Zalensky has no choice but to fight on……. And European countries not aligned with Russia have to step up and help regardless of what USA does.

European countries also now have to assume that Trump has already shared all their intelligence with Putin. Ditto Musk and Xtwitter/Starlink.


They're orcs. ONLY FOOLS TRUST ORC'S
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