Ray, Mike from Syndey who's actually in the US, since you guys are the only ones left... I have some very honest questions to ask you about Ukraine:
- Why did Obama allow Putin to take Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, and Democrats said nothing, and Democrat voters didn't care? - Why now do Democrat voters care that Putin is trying to take more land? What's changed between then and now that makes it matter? - Why with other wars going on (the fall of multiple African countries to Islamic militants, South China Sea, etc.) is Ukraine so important to Democrats. Is it because they're white? This is a serious question. - Knowing that Ukraine has basically no one left to fight, and they are conducting forced conscription, would you be willing to send your own kids to fight that war?
Understand, I'm no fan of Russia. I would love for Russia to lose this, and if I was Ukrainian, I'd want to fight to the death. But I am American, and we have the opportunity to end the war, as it stands now... and Democrats don't want to because... (fill in the blank?) ... is it pride? What is the reason?
I am not in the United States. I am a native-born, U.S. citizen living in Australia (for the last 30 years). I am also a naturalised Australian citizen.
(Also, it’s Mike in SYDNEY, not Mike from Syndey. If the postage wasn’t so high, I’d send you an atlas with all the countries and major cities spelled correctly. You’d have to buy your own Sharpie to rename the Gulf of Mexico, Greenland, and Canada. )
Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: I am not in the United States. I am a native-born, U.S. citizen living in Australia (for the last 30 years). I am also a naturalised Australian citizen.
(Also, it’s Mike in SYDNEY, not Mike from Syndey. If the postage wasn’t so high, I’d send you an atlas with all the countries and major cities spelled correctly. You’d have to buy your own Sharpie to rename the Gulf of Mexico, Greenland, and Canada. )
Yes, I've been there several times, it's called a misspelling. You've been one place in the world, and you act like you're so enlightened.
So, you won't answer those questions then? Would you like me to answer them for you?
- Why did Obama allow Putin to take Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, and Democrats said nothing, and Democrat voters didn't care?
Because you're a Democrat, and you're bound by politics, and it's your religion, and since it was a Democrat leader, you didn't care because they didn't tell you to care.
- Why now do Democrat voters care that Putin is trying to take more land? What's changed between then and now that makes it matter?
Because you're a Democrat, and for some INSANE reason, you think Trump won in 2016 because of Russian interference, and as a result, you now hate Russia, when previously most Democrats actually loved Russia. And in some totally insane way, you view an affront to Putin as an affront to Trump. This is literally how insane you people are.
- Why with other wars going on (the fall of multiple African countries to Islamic militants, South China Sea, etc.) is Ukraine so important to Democrats. Is it because they're white? This is a serious question.
Because you haven't yet been told to care, or because they're black, and you (the party of racism), only cares about Ukraine because they're white... and genocide in Asian and African countries isn't really that important to you.
- Knowing that Ukraine has basically no one left to fight, and they are conducting forced conscription, would you be willing to send your own kids to fight that war?
No, of course you wouldn't send your kids there... but you'd definitely send everyone else's kids there.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Yes, I've been there several times, it's called a misspelling. You've been one place in the world, and you act like you're so enlightened.
So, you won't answer those questions then? Would you like me to answer them for you?
- Why did Obama allow Putin to take Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, and Democrats said nothing, and Democrat voters didn't care?
Because you're a Democrat, and you're bound by politics, and it's your religion, and since it was a Democrat leader, you didn't care because they didn't tell you to care.
- Why now do Democrat voters care that Putin is trying to take more land? What's changed between then and now that makes it matter?
Because you're a Democrat, and for some INSANE reason, you think Trump won in 2016 because of Russian interference, and as a result, you now hate Russia, when previously most Democrats actually loved Russia. And in some totally insane way, you view an affront to Putin as an affront to Trump. This is literally how insane you people are.
- Why with other wars going on (the fall of multiple African countries to Islamic militants, South China Sea, etc.) is Ukraine so important to Democrats. Is it because they're white? This is a serious question.
Because you haven't yet been told to care, or because they're black, and you (the party of racism), only cares about Ukraine because they're white... and genocide in Asian and African countries isn't really that important to you.
- Knowing that Ukraine has basically no one left to fight, and they are conducting forced conscription, would you be willing to send your own kids to fight that war?
No, of course you wouldn't send your kids there... but you'd definitely send everyone else's kids there.
Toad,
You don't know Jack about me. You don't know my race, where I've lived, where I've travelled, what I know, what I have experienced, or have done or not done outside of what I've shared. And based on your responses to those that disagree with your position, you're not likely to.
I wrote a lengthy response to this diatribe but after thinking about it before posting (as you really should consider doing), I decided it was not worth the effort. It's like the old saying, "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and it annoys the pig."
I respect your Fiero knowledge and the opinions that you hold but I disagree with most of them so don't be too upset if I don't respond in kind.
Have a nice day and come to see us if you are ever Down Under.
[This message has been edited by Mike in Sydney (edited 03-01-2025).]
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Ray, Mike from Syndey who's actually in the US, since you guys are the only ones left... I have some very honest questions to ask you about Ukraine:
- Why did Obama allow Putin to take Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, and Democrats said nothing, and Democrat voters didn't care? - Why now do Democrat voters care that Putin is trying to take more land? What's changed between then and now that makes it matter? - Why with other wars going on (the fall of multiple African countries to Islamic militants, South China Sea, etc.) is Ukraine so important to Democrats. Is it because they're white? This is a serious question. - Knowing that Ukraine has basically no one left to fight, and they are conducting forced conscription, would you be willing to send your own kids to fight that war?
Understand, I'm no fan of Russia. I would love for Russia to lose this, and if I was Ukrainian, I'd want to fight to the death. But I am American, and we have the opportunity to end the war, as it stands now... and Democrats don't want to because... (fill in the blank?) ... is it pride? What is the reason?
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Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: Toad,
You don't know Jack about me. Have a nice day and come to see us if you are ever Down Under.
Toad , ? Are we learning about Jack ?
Todd, good questions. There are more. Why did obama act like he cared but just sent blankets ? Why did biden give billions of dollars to Ukraine ? To hide the dishonesty of his son Hunter ?
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: ... and Democrats don't want to because... (fill in the blank?) ... is it pride? What is the reason?
Todd, they do not like DOGE, or the person who let the DOGE out, or the head DOGE, which they used to like. WE are dealing with an inferior species, .
Jack, come over and see me if you ever come back "over top". I will let you buy me a beer. Just sarcasm. Why do they call Australia "down under" ?
You don't know Jack about me. You don't know my race, where I've lived, where I've travelled, what I know, what I have experienced, or have done or not done outside of what I've shared. And based on your responses to those that disagree with your position, you're not likely to.
I wrote a lengthy response to this diatribe but after thinking about it before posting (as you really should consider doing), I decided it was not worth the effort. It's like the old saying, "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and it annoys the pig."
I respect your Fiero knowledge and the opinions that you hold but I disagree with most of them so don't be too upset if I don't respond in kind.
Have a nice day and come to see us if you are ever Down Under.
So, instead of responding:
- You insult me - You give the impression that I have no idea where Australia or Sydney is (by suggesting I need an atlas) - Then suggesting I'm too dumb to understand your answer anyway. - Then give me a negative rating
So, I take it, you don't actually have answers for those questions? Based on your blind hate, I take it that I struck a chord... you didn't care about Ukraine until you were told to. You didn't care about Ukraine before because Obama was President at the time. Yes, I know how this works. Most of my friends are hard-core Democrat. Not a single one is willing to answer that question either... they just start talking about Trump or change the subject... believe me, I definitely get it.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: So, instead of responding:
- You insult me - You give the impression that I have no idea where Australia or Sydney is (by suggesting I need an atlas) - Then suggesting I'm too dumb to understand your answer anyway. - Then give me a negative rating
So, I take it, you don't actually have answers for those questions? Based on your blind hate, I take it that I struck a chord... you didn't care about Ukraine until you were told to. You didn't care about Ukraine before because Obama was President at the time. Yes, I know how this works. Most of my friends are hard-core Democrat. Not a single one is willing to answer that question either... they just start talking about Trump or change the subject... believe me, I definitely get it.
how trumpian of you to feel that way about the new guy
or rumpian maybe a better fit
I do not understand why NATO IS NOT USING THE U AS A PRACTICE AREA JUST KILL THE TANKS THE APC THE TUBES FOR WHATEVER RUSSIA HAS IN THE WRONG COUNTRY WITH THE LATEST GREATEST NEW TOYS TESTING IN REAL TIME IF PUTIN NO LIKE HE CAN TAKE HIS STUFF HOME
HE CAN'T PLAY NUKE blackmail it is no win if his stuff was working most of his bombs won't go bang nor is his stuff hitting the targets now
why is the rump backing the aggressor he is playing at a way to destroy our nations reputation while gutting our intel system on a whim while putin gets all he has and a LOT MORE sad
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: So, instead of responding:
- You insult me - You give the impression that I have no idea where Australia or Sydney is (by suggesting I need an atlas) - Then suggesting I'm too dumb to understand your answer anyway. - Then give me a negative rating
So, I take it, you don't actually have answers for those questions? Based on your blind hate, I take it that I struck a chord... you didn't care about Ukraine until you were told to. You didn't care about Ukraine before because Obama was President at the time. Yes, I know how this works. Most of my friends are hard-core Democrat. Not a single one is willing to answer that question either... they just start talking about Trump or change the subject... believe me, I definitely get it.
Ouch! Sound like I struck a nerve, there. Oh, and I apologise. I misspelled you name. (I assume that's what you meant by insulting you.)
I'm not suggesting that you're too dumb to understand my response, I just chose not to get into a pissing match. There's nothing to be gained from it. You have your views, I have mine. But to be fair, what happened before the current administration came into office doesn't really matter. What matters is that Donald Trump is owned by Putin. Even far right advocates should be able to see that what he's doing is wrong.
Want to end the war in the Ukraine? Get Putin to pull out of the Crimea - which was give to Ukraine in 1954 by the then Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union - and agree not to invade again. I'd bet the sheep station that Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelenskyy would agree to those terms.
As for the negative rating, I don't recall doing that. Could possibly have done it but if I did, it wasn't intentional so to smooth your feathers, I'll give you a positive rating.
Ouch! Sound like I struck a nerve, there. Oh, and I apologise. I misspelled you name. (I assume that's what you meant by insulting you.)
I'm not suggesting that you're too dumb to understand my response, I just chose not to get into a pissing match. There's nothing to be gained from it. You have your views, I have mine. But to be fair, what happened before the current administration came into office doesn't really matter. What matters is that Donald Trump is owned by Putin. Even far right advocates should be able to see that what he's doing is wrong.
Want to end the war in the Ukraine? Get Putin to pull out of the Crimea - which was give to Ukraine in 1954 by the then Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union - and agree not to invade again. I'd bet the sheep station that Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelenskyy would agree to those terms.
As for the negative rating, I don't recall doing that. Could possibly have done it but if I did, it wasn't intentional so to smooth your feathers, I'll give you a positive rating.
You did not strike a nerve, I'm a 46 year old man, and this is a car forum.
I would still like for you... or literally ANY modern liberal to answer these simple questions for me:
- Why did Obama allow Putin to take Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, and Democrats said nothing, and Democrat voters didn't care?
- Why now do Democrat voters care that Putin is trying to take more land? What's changed between then and now that makes it matter?
- Why with other wars going on (the fall of multiple African countries to Islamic militants, South China Sea, etc.) is Ukraine so important to Democrats. Is it because they're white? This is a serious question.
I hate that I think the answer is:
1 - Because it was Obama then. 2 - Because Democrats have TDS and view anything to do with Putin as something to do with Trump. 3 - Because the people in Ukraine are white (unconscious bias), and the media told them to care.
Please tell me that's not the reason... but I unfortunately think it is. I can't get anyone to answer these questions. I'm happy to literally answer anything... anything, about any of my political beliefs. But my heavily Democrat-leaning friends... there are many questions they refuse to answer... and I think it's because they don't really know the answer, but have allowed themselves to take on views that the party assigns to them.
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Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: Ouch! Sound like I struck a nerve, there. Oh, and I apologise. I misspelled you name. (I assume that's what you meant by insulting you.)
I thought you may have mis-spelled it but then I looked at my keyboard. If I mis-spelled his name it would be "Toaa" . I accept you explanation, I think you are a good guy Mice, umm Mike, .
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Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: But to be fair, what happened before the current administration came into office doesn't really matter.
Oh my, but it does. When I got to first base with a girl, I would try for second. If I got second, I would get bolder. Of course I would try for third, and more and I am not Putin.
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Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: What matters is that Donald Trump is owned by Putin. Even far right advocates should be able to see that what he's doing is wrong.
Honest questions. What makes you think Putin owns Donald Trump ? What exactly is President Trump doing that is wrong ?
Call me far right, if you are far wrong. Trump wants peace. He has always wanted peace. Everywhere. Is that wrong ? He accomplished the Abraham Accords, had a plan to exit Afghanistan, was the only US President to enter North Korean territory and stop them from sending missiles over South Korea and Japan.
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Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: Want to end the war in the Ukraine? Get Putin to pull out of the Crimea - which was give to Ukraine in 1954 by the then Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union - and agree not to invade again. I'd bet the sheep station that Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelenskyy would agree to those terms.
Sheep station ? I will have to think on that. How would you get Putin to pull out of Crimea, and cede all territory taken under Biden's watch back ?
Presidium ? My, I had to look that one up. Perfect description of the Biden administration.
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Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: As for the negative rating, I don't recall doing that. Could possibly have done it but if I did, it wasn't intentional so to smooth your feathers, I'll give you a positive rating.
When you do that, you will notice if you indeed did neg him.
I do need to say, I am not defending ...toad...don't need to. I have not even let him buy me a beer.
''I don’t think this is appeasement, nor pretending Putin doesn’t exist.
Rather, This is a conscious, pre planned, overt effort to radically transform the U.S. into a Russian style dictatorship - authoritarian take over, dismemberment, and absolute control of the U.S. Government, courts, military, political, economic and constitutional systems - for the express purpose of one man’s personal enrichment, public grift, and endless, generational, one party control. The Full Monty. 1000 years of the third reich white supremacy, all over again.''
''I don’t think this is appeasement, nor pretending Putin doesn’t exist.
Rather, This is a conscious, pre planned, overt effort to radically transform the U.S. into a Russian style dictatorship - authoritarian take over, dismemberment, and absolute control of the U.S. Government, courts, military, political, economic and constitutional systems - for the express purpose of one man’s personal enrichment, public grift, and endless, generational, one party control. The Full Monty. 1000 years of the third reich white supremacy, all over again.''
What?
The Ukraine war is whites killing whites. How does that have anything to do with white supremacy?
''I don’t think this is appeasement, nor pretending Putin doesn’t exist.
Rather, This is a conscious, pre planned, overt effort to radically transform the U.S. into a Russian style dictatorship - authoritarian take over, dismemberment, and absolute control of the U.S. Government, courts, military, political, economic and constitutional systems - for the express purpose of one man’s personal enrichment, public grift, and endless, generational, one party control. The Full Monty. 1000 years of the third reich white supremacy, all over again.''
Yes, I completely agree
Thankfully, the voters recognized the threat and stopped the Obama/Clinton/Soros cartel and reelected Donald Trump to his second term.
''I don’t think this is appeasement, nor pretending Putin doesn’t exist.
Rather, This is a conscious, pre planned, overt effort to radically transform the U.S. into a Russian style dictatorship - authoritarian take over, dismemberment, and absolute control of the U.S. Government, courts, military, political, economic and constitutional systems - for the express purpose of one man’s personal enrichment, public grift, and endless, generational, one party control.
ray b, ray b, ray b. You highlight a Ipsos poll. I was wondering who the hell they were. Ha, a multinational polling organization. The creator of the poll ? Tim White, a Ukraine lover. I am sure he is not biased. ray b, is a poll even important ? They are usually wrong. The way they ask questions or which questions they ask can and do adulterate real opinions. Instead of asking questions they should just allow people to freely speak about a subject.
your last hyper link, heh heh. Nothing. Just wanted you to know I care what you post by research.
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