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Automatic to Manual 5spd Transmission Swap 88 GT by AustinH
Started on: 06-21-2014 08:55 PM
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Report this Post06-21-2014 08:55 PM Click Here to See the Profile for AustinHSend a Private Message to AustinHEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Hey guys, my name is Austin, and I'm a proud owner of a GT. Bought the car two weeks ago and have been working on fixing it up (and reverting it to mostly stock).

Very pleased with the car, but there's one thing...It's an automatic. If I have the time/resources, I'd like to swap for the Getrag 282 5-speed eventually.

I found a 1994 Chevy Cavalier with the Getrag 282 5-speed in it, but I called Rodney Dickman to ask him about what Fiero parts I'd need, and it sounded like an outrageous amount of dollars worth of cables, mounts, clutch assembly, and this and that, since it seems the only thing I can actually use from the Chevy is the transmission itself...

Since I'm fairly new to the Fiero world (though I've been doing plenty of research), I'm in need of some advice on all of the required parts, and to know if anyone has the stock parts/near-stock parts as a lot or individually for sale.


Also, seems a swap of this sort hasn't been mentioned on the forums often.. If I end up doing it, I'll be sure to document it.

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Report this Post06-21-2014 10:46 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Gall757Send a Private Message to Gall757Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Welcome to the forum! It's true....what you are wanting to do requires a lot of stuff....
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Report this Post06-21-2014 11:17 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SourmugSend a Private Message to SourmugEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Enter "auto to manual' into the search engine here on the forum and you will have a pile of threads with lots of information
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Report this Post06-21-2014 11:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for trotterlgSend a Private Message to trotterlgEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
You will be far ahead to just buy either a good one with the 5 speed and sell yours or buy a dead one with a 5 speed and use all the parts. Larry
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Report this Post06-22-2014 08:20 AM Click Here to See the Profile for MstangsBwareSend a Private Message to MstangsBwareEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Buy my DOHC Formula on a Getrag I have for sale and u will have everythjng u need and then some. Swap the swap over to the GT then the auto over to the Formula then sale to make all ur money back. Just that simple...

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Report this Post06-22-2014 11:27 AM Click Here to See the Profile for RaydarSend a Private Message to RaydarEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I've done it twice. It's a lot of trouble, but sooooo worth it. (I did the second one after I forgot how much trouble the first one was. )
I have a 93 Beretta tranny. I'm assuming yours is the same, with the hydraulic release bearing.

You might find some useful info here, but most of it centers around that tranny with the 4.9 stuff.
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...130314-1-085296.html

The hardest part will be converting the pedals, and getting the hydraulic line up to the clutch master cylinder. (You'll need to remove the spare tire well from the front. The automatic tranny cooler lines are removed, and the hydraulic line follows mostly the same path.)

Off the top of my head, you'll need:

5 speed shifter and cables.
Pedals and bracket.
Master cylinder (buy from Rodney Dickman. Pay attention. There are four different combinations of pieces to choose from. Having to do with which hydraulic line you have and which clutch pedal you have.)
Manual tranny / engine wiring harness. (Or reconfigure yours. You'll have to extend some wires and remove some others. If you get a manual harness, try to get one for an 88. There are some differences. Oil sender and alternator wiring. Possibly injector harness connector, too.)
Manual chip for your ECM or manual ECM.
Flywheel. 88 or later 2.8 or 3.1. (Earlier flywheels will not work because the earlier engines were balanced differently. Externally.)
Clutch.
Adapter fitting to mate the Fiero hydraulic line to the Cavalier TOB.
Dakota Digital speedometer adapter (or change the gear in the tranny, which is lots more trouble. Specific to the later tranny only.)

The stock manual Fiero uses a clutch pedal/starter interlock. I chose to omit that, since I learned to drive on a car that had no interlock.
To add it, you'll need a switch and a few feet of that heavy wire that's used to connect it. Splice into the starter wiring under the dash.
The manual steering column also has a key release lever, where the automatic does not. I chose to keep my automatic column, and just remove all the cable interlock hardware. It is recommended to swap in a manual column. Otherwise, it is quite easy to lock the steering with the car in motion.

If you swap to the manual harness you will have to move a wire in the C500 connector. That's the one right above the battery. Not a big deal to do. Just needs to be mentioned.

Hope that helps some. This is NOT a one-weekend project for most people.
But the swap can be done.

Edit - It will help tremendously if you have a manual donor car handy, to pillage for parts. "Incidentals" can nickel and dime you to death, and waste a bunch of your time.

2nd edit - I'm not sure what kind of mounting brackets came on your tranny. If it doesn't have brackets on it you'll have to find those, too. Rodney Dickman sells those, too. (Everything that Rodney sells is top quality stuff. Well worth the funds involved.) Or you may be able to find them in the mall section of the forum. The 4 speed or Isuzu brackets will NOT work, although they look very similar.
Your mounting cushions (the ones that bolt to the cradle, I think are the same.)


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Report this Post06-22-2014 11:43 AM Click Here to See the Profile for olejoedadSend a Private Message to olejoedadEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Pay close attention to what Raydar said in his post......
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Report this Post06-23-2014 08:52 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fierosoundClick Here to visit fierosound's HomePageSend a Private Message to fierosoundEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Been there - done that.
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...L/000077-3.html#p113

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Report this Post06-23-2014 10:29 AM Click Here to See the Profile for RodneyClick Here to visit Rodney's HomePageSend a Private Message to RodneyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
When I did my 88 Mera I left in the auto steering column. No upid key lever thingy. I used my original wiring harness and modified where I had to. Clutch pedal is easy. You only need to mount the clutch pedal bracket to your original bracket and change the auto brake pedal to a stick shift brake pedal. The brake bracket that is in your auto is the same for both auto and manual. All you have to do is add on the bracket for the manual pedal and use the longer manual bracket bolt etc. Plus of course the switches etc if you have cruise. I had the 88 Helm and I spent a lot of time looking at the wiring diagrams to make sure everything worked. I think it is the B-123 wire you need to cut to the ECM if you have an 88 V-6. If not you get a check engine lite.

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Was so worth it in my 88 Mera. So well worth it. How lame driving a 308 replica with an automatic. Yuck. Was very happy it could be done and I did not hesitate to do it. I took all winter one year. Took my time.

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Report this Post06-23-2014 01:31 PM Click Here to See the Profile for JefrysukoSend a Private Message to JefrysukoEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I did it too. Very much worth the effort!

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/126075.html
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Report this Post06-23-2014 06:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for AustinHSend a Private Message to AustinHEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
thanks for the resources guys. I may bump this post in the future when its actually doable for me, like in the winter. (midwest winters.... not so good for RWD mid engine cars....)

looks like its going to be quite a time investment, but I'll definitely want to do it eventually. I've just been getting into working on cars in the last few years and this is a whole new level...

are there any helpful diagrams out there of the transmission assembly?
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