Ok, I just recieved my shift and select cable brackets for a FWD Getrag but I dont see just how they bolt onto the transmission. Its from a 92 Beretta.
Steve the parts you have are for a Fiero Getrag, you need the front wheel drive Getrag adaptation parts one of which if I remember correctly is a little tube that adapts to the slave cylinder mount and properly positions the Fiero slave cylinder the correct distanace from the clutch arm. I do however recall a member stating that the Fiero brackets will work with some coercing. . . . I believe that bracket would mount somewhere in the area the clutch arm access hole.
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I didn't see any mention of this so I thought I would throw it out there.
When deciding on a transmission to mount to the 4.9 I had several to choose from. I decided to go with an isuzu. When choosing between the 2 I had available I came accross some differences between years. One was out of an 85 the other was out of an 88. Here are some pics to illustrate the differences I found.
88 on the left, 85 on right
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As you can see these differences wont effect mounting or driving in any way. I did notice that the 88 case has extra webbing from strength as well as holes in the bellhousing for venting gasses. The arm is very different between the two as well as the fork. One of the pictures also shows a casting number on the bellhousing. As you can imagine I went with the 88 tranny for the not so obvious differences it had.
Just thought I would throw it out there since this thread is all about the differences in trannies. Any thoughts on this?
EDIT: Pics fixed
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Thanks to Buddycraigg's post I just found out someone put an '84 4speed in my '86 se. Now concerning if it has 4.10 gears. Say the econo had a .73 ratio in 4th gear. The performance had a .81 in 4th gear. The 5speeds had a .74 or .72 in 5th gear. I run about 3500rpm in 4th at 70 mph. (give or take a bit for tire error but not much) What are the 5speeds out there running rpm wise at 70 mph? Could this help us discern? I think I have the 4:10 setup. High rpms on the freeway and the car leaps off the line.
Thanks Buddycraigg, It's a v6 with a quick first gear for sure. That's my only complaint. (but while I am trying to get into second the other guy is thinking dang that car is quick) It just got a new clutch yesterday and I am waiting on dogbone bushings before I romp on it. (give the clutch a little welcome home time as well) It does jump to 40mph pretty quick. I think people forget how important gears are. In the old days people talked gears more than hp and torque. Thanks for the info and your great topic as usual.
I did notice that the 88 case has extra webbing from strength as well as holes in the bellhousing for venting gasses. The arm is very different between the two as well as the fork. Just thought I would throw it out there since this thread is all about the differences in trannies. Any thoughts on this? ...
One thing I'll add... If you have to replace the clutch arm bushing in the 88 Isuzu, it requires the same tool as the Getrag. The 85-87 tool is different.
This is a really good thread. My 88' Formula I noticed right away that I was turning around 2300rpm's @ 60mph. It has the black dip stick on the tranny and metal end cap so it's the Getrag 5spd. I wonder if the 88's had a slightly taller 5th or taller final drive?
I recently purchased a 5-speed trnsmission from a forum member here. I have not been able to get axle seals for it. The parts store guys tell me that its the same seal for all Fierod, and looking at the pictures herhe, I think that's so.
I posted pics of the tranny and the seal. Can someon explain?
I recently purchased a 5-speed trnsmission from a forum member here. I have not been able to get axle seals for it. The parts store guys tell me that its the same seal for all Fieros
I see different seals listed for 4 and 5 speed trannys.
I recently bought output shaft seals for a 5-speed Isuzu and the Timken part number was 3543.
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I see different seals listed for 4 and 5 speed trannys.
I recently bought output shaft seals for a 5-speed Isuzu and the Timken part number was 3543.
The seals I have are Timken 3543, but they definitely do not fit. (Unless I am overlooking something). The axle area around the seal looks quite a bit defferent from 4 to 5 speed. Kinda like something is missing.
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I used to sell those bearings. I still have replacement seals for them in stock.
------------------ Rodney Dickman
Fiero Parts And Acc's Web Page: www.rodneydickman.com Rodney Dickman's Fiero accessories 7604 Treeview Drive Caledonia, WI 53108 Phone/Fax (262) 835-9575
Originally posted by fyrebird68: Rodney, I'd like to get a set of seals, but I can't locate them on your website. If you send me a page link, I'll place the order.
He's redoing his website right now, so you may want to just email him.
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Originally posted by fyrebird68: That clears it up! That's whay the parts guys kept coming up with the other seals.
Tell your parts guy that you're sorry for calling him a dumb ass.
Does anybody know if the 5 speed isuzu as it is used on Fiero's is also used on other cars? If so, what make/model will have the same gearbox? I'm asking because there aren't that much Fiero parts available over here.
a 86 and up GT would have had a getrag in it so thats why it looks like one. and I never have been able to make any sence out of the whole dip stick thing, some had em, some didn't (that's why i didn't mention it) but thanks for bringing it up.
My '86 GT has a Getrag, because it was a late run, and has allot of '87 up-grade parts (stock) but it does not have a dip stick. I don't think they put dip-sticks in until '88, but (like mine) maybe some late-run '87 Getrags have the '88 dip-stick up-grade. In the old days (50's, 60's, 70's) we used to call those cars halves, like 86 1/2, etc. Mfg. have always done that, when they run out of a certain year part, they substitute the next year part. Kind of an end-of-the-year run bonus. ;-)
I've been told the Getrags with the dip-stick ('88's) have a problem with the third and 5th gear synchromesh gears going out. I do know if you find an '88 with over 100K on it, some times the third, 5th, or both are out (can't get them in the gears) My '87 model Getrag has a notchy 5th gear, with 104K on it, and I replaced the input and output shaft bearings. The input was bad, so I replaced them both. I switched to Royal Purple Synchromax oil, and that helped the whole tranny shift smoother, but 5th is still a little notchy. If I would have had the press tool, I would have replaced all the synchros, but I will say, with a little over 100K on mine, the insides were shiny and new looking, with no evidence of wear. My sincros looked just fine too, but I guess some times looks deceive...?
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Buddycraigg, if you're still out there... from your info I've determined that I have an Isuzu 5-speed, but it needs to be rebuilt and the parts places list two different versions of it - one with all synchro rings single piece, and one with 1st and 2nd synchro rings two piece. Is there any way to tell externally which one I have?
Just for closure then, the trans guy (25 years experience) who's doing the work for me couldn't tell from the outside either; he tore it down and it has all single piece synchros. It remains, though, that rebuild kit suppliers list two different kits for 85-88 Fieros, so if you want to rebuild one, you'll need to tear it down to figure out what to order.
After looking around the web for a little while it seems like these guys look like one of the biggest:drivetrain.com. They claim to use name brand parts; we'll see. Website is not very easy to use, but guy on the phone was very helpful.
