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low dollar 3800 turbo project by darkhorizon
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Report this Post09-05-2013 11:17 PM Click Here to See the Profile for nitroheadz28Send a Private Message to nitroheadz28Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Looks good, why didn't you go an inch bigger out of curiosity? RPF1s have a habit of looking a little funky when smaller than 17" IMO, either way it still looks great. My next Fiero is going to have PF01s, I love those.
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You mean going to 18's? Tire prices skyrocket. The drag radials are an extra $150 a piece to go from 17-18.

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less sidewall = less traction, more rotating mass, higher tire prices, and a less happy transmission.
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Good choice on the RPF1's (I have the same size on the WRX as your rears), but I don't like the center-caps on the black wheels. Get some conduit caps from Home Depot, paint them black and use them. Sell the RPF-1 caps and profit.

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You mean going to 18's? Tire prices skyrocket. The drag radials are an extra $150 a piece to go from 17-18.



Oh crap! They looked like 16"s to me, been out of the Fiero game for too long haha, perfect size in that case. Not sure why they looked small to me.
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Those look really good, I think for regular street driving 17s are perfect for a Fiero.
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I always liked my 16s.
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Very nice, I love RPF1s on a Fiero!

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Went to the track and ran 10......feet. Not sure what broke. Hoping for a broke axle inside the trans but could be the diff. The wheels aren't connected. Drivers side axle will slide out like there is no snap ring But I can't slide it out enough to see the end. Blahh

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Sorry dude that sux. However, I know you can slap her back together in a jiffy.
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Went to the track and ran 10......feet. Not sure what broke. Hoping for a broke axle inside the trans but could be the diff. The wheels aren't connected. Drivers side axle will slide out like there is no snap ring But I can't slide it out enough to see the end. Blahh



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At least it's not the transmission but I think i'm going to have to pull it out to get to the stub.

Will, were you able to get that out without separating the trans?


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At least it's not the transmission but I think i'm going to have to pull it out to get to the stub.

Will, were you able to get that out without separating the trans?



Yes.

As you can see from the photos above, I was able to drill and tap the stump. I did this while it was still in the transmission. I used a piece of threaded rod and a gentle bump from a slide hammer to squeeze down the snap ring and pull it out. Drilling and tapping is actually easy, as the CV joint cups are quite soft; That's whey they break before the diff side gears do.

I slit a toilet paper tube and smeared a thin layer of grease on the inside. I slipped that into the axle hole to catch the chips from drilling. I used grease on the tap to catch the chips from tapping. With a little care, you should be able to keep the chips out of the transmission.

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I did what you said Will and it worked great. That saved me a ton of time. Back on the road

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Cool. Glad to hear it worked.
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I'm surprised the trans didn't break, its only rated to 230Nm
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I'm surprised the trans didn't break, its only rated to 230Nm


Thing is a beast. You wouldn't believe the things it's been through.

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I know exactly,lol. I've noticed it shifts much better with nlts and al flywheel.. 1-2,2-3,3-4, trans can care less. Mine has been abused hard since l did the swap in 07. Still running strong. Case seeps and howls occasionally but oh well.

I wish I had a local drag strip.
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Thing is a beast. You wouldn't believe the things it's been through.



This one, or the one that broke?
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This one, or the one that broke?


It broke because he put it back together wrong the first time. Put the bearing retainer in upside down?
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Yes that was unfortunate. It was completely my fault that the bearing was damaged and making noise after being installed upside down.

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Report this Post09-10-2013 08:31 AM Click Here to See the Profile for JncomuttSend a Private Message to JncomuttEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Even if the bearing failed, its still not a catastrophic failure like blown diff or stripped gear.
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This project is funded by my winnings at a circle track spectator drags over the last couple of months. So its basically free to me. Scott posted some videos a while ago. Here is the one from last weekend. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERK_krZfxiU
I may put it in the video section.


I just watched this video. I particularly enjoyed you spanking that MR2.
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Latest addition is a rack to carry the pit scooter.











The some videos from the autox on sunday. Rained most of the time but still lots of fun. The Re-11A's were awesome! So much better than having a drag radial on the rear.




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Awesome videos! My favorite part was in the first one, "OH GOD, I'M GONNA DIE."

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Great vids! Thanks for sharing

I'd really like to hear this setup sing on a full size track. Every time you get on boost I start getting excited but theres no room to get on it
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I plan on going to Milan dragway tomorrow. 10's or bust!

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Good luck! This first 1/4 mile trip with new cam? I'm interested to see if it helps.

Is Scott going to run as well? Still waiting for a 9 .
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No. His car is down for the year.

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I'm going to predict 10.8@136...

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I'm going to predict 10.8@136...

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No. His car is down for the year.




What broke?
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No. His car is down for the year.




Total lie.

I went duck hunting today.. I noticed this event shared with the race day and decided not to get ready to go.
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Total lie.

I went duck hunting today.. I noticed this event shared with the race day and decided not to get ready to go.


U like duck meat?
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Milan had their monthly NoET nationals event last night. They turn the timing boards off and there is no ET times shown, just win lights. It is a street racing atmosphere and track safety is out the window. There is no tech inspection and if you sign a waiver you can stand right next to the cars on the line. There is a lot of betting between cars and side bets from the spectators. So many people with fists full of cash standing around. It was the busiest I've ever seen it there. I've also never seen so many people break and put oil down on the track. They started racing at 12. I got there at 12:30 and didn't make my first run until 2:00. I unhooked the vgt actuation and left it wide open so I wouldn't break anything again on the first pass. I didn't realize they were running a pro tree, left a little late but still ran down the mustang. It was laggy and noticed it most in the shifts. Ran a 11.5@131.5 at 22psi. A little disappointed in the trap speed.




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I went to attach the VGT actuation back up and it was stuck open. I used a wrench to break it free and I broke the piece of metal off that the arm attaches to. No more quick spooling I thought that would be the end of getting my 10 second pass.

Second run didn't come until 8:00. I turned the boost up to ~25psi and decided I was going to antilag it and go for broke. The track wanted people to team up for grudge races so I found a guy I met during the summer that has a heavily built turbo mustang. I'm not sure on the details of his setup but the whole car is setup very nice. It has ran mid 9's on street tires. I left the line very good but the mustang blew me out of the water. He started to break up in the back end I just passed him before the finish line. I guess the crowd at the starting line was going nuts. A lot of people lost money betting on the mustang. Ran a 10.91@133. Still laggy between shifts. I'm confused by the trap speed I was really expecting higher, especially after the cars i've raced on the highway.





After that the line was so long It wasn't going to be worth trying for another pass. Very happy I finally got in the 10's. It was a terrible day for test and tune but a ton of fun racing and watching the madness.


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Great Run! Congrats on the 10s!
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BRAVO! congrats! is this the first manual transmission Fiero to run 10's?

Edit: by the 1/4 mile list, you're the first manual tto break 10's, congrats!

any chance of being able to fix the VGT arm? or does this more or less mean new turbo?

also, do the big scoops by the bumper make it go faster? :P

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Damn good job man...Congrats!

Damn u reeled him in on the top end and hekl of a 60' for a manual car....

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Very nice. Good job.

Interesting that you didn't gain a lot of MPH with the cam swap. I've suspected that cam is way too big for a while, guys running it don't really seem to have big performance gains. It's actually bigger, duration wise, than my friends turbo cam for a 6.0 LS. Is Scott running the same thing now? Did he gain MPH over the ST2? I haven't seen a whole lot of info on his car this summer.
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I'm going to try to make it back to the strip one more time this season with the VGT working. It saddens me to see the speedometer just stop moving between shifts. It sure feels faster than the stock cam. Must be psychological, lol.

I was surprised that the headlights still came up at about 130. I'll just have to tape them down next time.

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