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low dollar 3800 turbo project by darkhorizon
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Originally posted by darkhorizon:

The manifold was put to a serious test with pressure and heat when he was dealing with a timing issue that he left unchecked for awhile as well. IT was not anything to be overly concerned about, and the latest edition works without issues, remember this is the bottom of the manifold, not the top where the stresses are.

Cool car Justin!!
1/4 mile heat stress on the manifold won't have a problem because the time spent on high heat is very little. But like every other metal that is subjected to fast high heat and fast cooling cycles, it will get brittle and will crack and eventually break. Also the force on the turbo is unilateral, because most of the time spent under high heat/stress is going forward. Once you start swerving like on a road course the manifold may just snap. It would be great if you could build a cage to hold the turbo and take the stress off the manifold.

Again, I take my hat off for you, nice job!!!!!
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Current 1/4 mile list:

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/070670.html

The real question is who will be first to 9's, next year should be interesting.



Hehehe...I bought some more stuff...

Another real question that inquiring minds want to know is, who will be the next to get on the 10's list. Who will be next?
DH, FieroX,Fog are the only ones I know of who are trying to go 9's.

I'd laugh my azz off, If I did it first.... and you guys would have to bow down to the new speed KING ..LOL

However, I am gunning for the highest MPH not the best ET. I got 18" reasons why I will out trap everyone else.
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If you exceed my mph you should easily be in the 10's
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Hehehe...I bought some more stuff...

Another real question that inquiring minds want to know is, who will be the next to get on the 10's list. Who will be next?
DH, FieroX,Fog are the only ones I know of who are trying to go 9's.

I'd laugh my azz off, If I did it first.... and you guys would have to bow down to the new speed KING ..LOL

However, I am gunning for the highest MPH not the best ET. I got 18" reasons why I will out trap everyone else.


I want PBJ to get Akursedx's car to squeak out a 10...

Honestly fierox is probably the only 10 second car on that list of 10 second fieros... Anyone that takes a mid/high 10 spot consistantly will be fairly unique.
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I want PBJ to get Akursedx's car to squeak out a 10...

Honestly fierox is probably the only 10 second car on that list of 10 second fieros... Anyone that takes a mid/high 10 spot consistantly will be fairly unique.


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real question that inquiring minds want to know is, who will be the next to get on the 10's list. Who will be next?
DH, FieroX,Fog are the only ones I know of who are trying to go 9's.

, I am gunning for the highest MPH not the best ET.


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This dude serious?


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I want PBJ to get Akursedx's car to squeak out a 10...

Honestly fierox is probably the only 10 second car on that list of 10 second fieros... Anyone that takes a mid/high 10 spot consistantly will be fairly unique.


Why do you say that FieroX is the only 10 sec car? You have the trans and the HP to run consistent 10's too. The only thing holding you back IMHO is your suspension but you seem to have the balls to overcome that loosey goosey spinout into the wall @ high speed feeling.
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Question...Why did you mount the WG so high?

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So I could easily change WG springs, easily get to my spark plugs and less heat on spark plug wires. It's far from ecm209i's theory of wastegate design but it WORKS.

If I did it over again I would probably put it in the cross over pipe like DH did in his second design. (even though it's even further from *ETOWD*)

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My gen1 wastegate design put an issue on the plug wire right there, I had to run a 90 degree boot on it, and I believe justin did as well.

I like them in the crossover now, works great for boost control on my car, and in terms of "balance" I believe it offers a bit more breathing for the front cylinders that may see a bit extra pressure do to the long trip to the turbo.
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Originally posted by darkhorizon:

My gen1 wastegate design put an issue on the plug wire right there, I had to run a 90 degree boot on it, and I believe justin did as well.

I like them in the crossover now, works great for boost control on my car, and in terms of "balance" I believe it offers a bit more breathing for the front cylinders that may see a bit extra pressure do to the long trip to the turbo.


Thx, I was just thinking" what if I put my WG in the x-over" and you just confirmed that it is a pretty good spot for it. I assume you dump to the atmosphere from there? Maybe a small down pipe to the muffler??
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Thx, I was just thinking" what if I put my WG in the x-over" and you just confirmed that it is a pretty good spot for it. I assume you dump to the atmosphere from there? Maybe a small down pipe to the muffler??


We put little atmo dumps that kicked out over by the driver side wheel well.

My xover dump is awesome. Perfect place out of the way and makes spring changes, plumbing, fab work super easy.
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Justin...

As soon as I saw the blue s/c and valve covers it took me back to a small car show several years back (according to picture info it was 9/28/08)... it was at a church on Elms Rd. I only got a couple pics but I remember thinking it was pretty cool seeing a s/c 3800 in a Fiero I was there with my G-Body Malibu.



http://s835.photobucket.com...%20church/?start=all
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Finally got around to uploading the videos.

This is my 2nd and best run.


This is the 3rd run and attempted 4th run. Now you can see how bad the wheel hop was.

Another view of the 3rd run. Jump to 50 seconds in.

I know you guys are jealous of my headliner and windsheid.
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Nice video......Damn headliners are always the first to go and the last to get fixed....I worked on my rear manifold last night for my turbo setup with plans to finish it up today....

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U B Rowin...LOL

Nice run but it was so fast, Maybe it's the camera but I thought it was a 1/8 mile.

BTW that 2nd gear 2/3 shift SUX. Do you shift into 2nd @ 30mph The auto gear ratio's rule.
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The auto gear ratio's rule.


Except when you aren't on a 1/4 mile strip.
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Except when you aren't on a 1/4 mile strip.


IMO, gear ratio is gear ratio. I can assume but please explain? The MOAR POWAH you have the lower the gear ratio you can get away with. Not to mention the MPG benefits.
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IMO, gear ratio is gear ratio. I can assume but please explain? The MOAR POWAH you have the lower the gear ratio you can get away with. Not to mention the MPG benefits.


1. Sometimes you don't have a choice without spending $$ on a custom FD for a manual. With a manual, there is less weight and less drivetrain loss. Like a regular F23, you are stuck with 3.94, if you find a XFE transmission and swap bellhousings, then you get 3.63, but still.

2. I'm a victim of TOO low of a final drive in my automatic, 2.73. 3.33 would be great, but I don't want to drop the cradle to do it.

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2. I'm a victim of TOO low of a final drive in my automatic, 2.73. 3.33 would be great, but I don't want to drop the cradle to do it.



Just git MOAR POWAH... 2.73 with 500hp would B da sheet !
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I got 300 torque and 215hp..woohoo.
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1. Sometimes you don't have a choice without spending $$ on a custom FD for a manual. With a manual, there is less weight and less drivetrain loss. Like a regular F23, you are stuck with 3.84, if you find a XFE transmission and swap bellhousings, then you get 3.63, but still.

2. I'm a victim of TOO low of a final drive in my automatic, 2.73. 3.33 would be great, but I don't want to drop the cradle to do it.



Technically... your FDR is too high...
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IMO, gear ratio is gear ratio. I can assume but please explain? The MOAR POWAH you have the lower the gear ratio you can get away with. Not to mention the MPG benefits.


IMO, if I just wanted to mash a gas pedal and steer, I would buy a Buick. If I want to drive in a spirited fashion and actually feel like I have control of the machine, then I want to row some gears. It's called a man pedal for a reason.

I'll settle for a steeper first gear. I don't live life a quarter mile at a time.
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Technically... your FDR is too high...


Yea, high. W/e. I can hit 50mph in 1st "gear" @5000RPM, that's too high.

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IMO, if I just wanted to mash a gas pedal and steer, I would buy a Buick.

Nothing wrong with a Buick. I am kinda fond of the Grand National Myself

 
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If I want to drive in a spirited fashion and actually feel like I have control of the machine, then I want to row some gears. It's called a man pedal for a reason.


If working a "stick" makes you feel more like a Man then.... more power to you.
 
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I'll settle for a steeper first gear. I don't live life a quarter mile at a time.


Me to .. would also like a manual trans than can handle 700hp, hard 1st gear launches, and clutch dumps without exploding. Know of any?
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Me to .. would also like a manual trans than can handle 700hp, hard 1st gear launches, and clutch dumps without exploding. Know of any?


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Finally got around to uploading the videos.

This is my 2nd and best run.


Sweet. Looks like fun.
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Great please make me a kit (adapter plate, mounts, wiring, axles, etc) to bolt/wire up to the 3800 and PCM.
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I would say cryo-treat an F23, install a LSD, and beef it up in any areas as needed, and use that.
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BTW that 2nd gear 2/3 shift SUX. Do you shift into 2nd @ 30mph The auto gear ratio's rule.


I shift around 35-55-95-140.

I need some valve train mods so I can abuse it like a 2JZ. (more rpm)

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I shift around 35-55-95-140.

I need some valve train mods so I can abuse it like a 2JZ. (more rpm)


Then your trans wont shift, hah.

Going to need more than valve train to get passed 6500 rpms anyway.
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I shift around 35-55-95-140.

That SUX... mine is like 53 96 140 ..that 1/2 shift is
 
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I need some valve train mods so I can abuse it like a 2JZ. (more rpm)



Yeah and a Turbo cam.
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Added another video

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...L/103440-7.html#p254

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Added another video.



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You folks have some fast cars! All compliments, and very impressive.

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Slowly coming together like everything else I work on...Big THANKS to Justin for answering the billion and one questions I have asked so far....


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oooooo purdy

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MB,
What turbo did you use? How much $$$ have you thrown at the turbo upgrade so far? Looks great.
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So your just running a turbo in there???? Oh wait....Yea, I see the engine behind there.


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