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Starting a 3800 sc swap by race9887
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Report this Post03-30-2012 02:26 PM Click Here to See the Profile for race9887Send a Private Message to race9887Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
New to Fieros, came across a 85 in the fall with a manual Iron Duke ($350) and thought it would be cool car for when I get my Drivers Licence in May/June.



Then when looking locally for parts can across a 86 SE Body looks good 2.8 blown traded my dads 81 Dodge Truck for it (truck was junk).



Then found a 3800 sc from an 97 Bonniville ssei.($450)
Started cleaning up the engine:



polishing supercharger:



Now that spring maybe here in Canada started preparing for the swap into the 86 then discovered that it had very bad rust.
Lower frame almost gone


Trunk to


Good think I bought this for parts earlier ($100)



the space frame is rust free by are standards (surface only)

So, I will be very thankful for all your comments and advice as I swap the body panels and motor.

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You came to the right place. I would have not even started mine without Pennocks and the people that are on it that are willing to share what they know!!!

Good luck!

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HEHEhe
Welcome to the madness !!!



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Lots of info and help on here so just ask away and do a lot of searching. Dan

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C'mon Nosrac, you have a very fast Fiero. But we all know that old man in the ZR1 wasn't Don Garlitts.

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Dan, have already contacted you for a wiring harness $ should be sent in a couple of weeks.
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C'mon Nosrac, you have a very fast Fiero. But we all know that old man in the ZR1 wasn't Don Garlitts.


He did seem about 45-50 ish. but in a Street race The Fiero is bad to da bone.
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Sask Fiero's Represent!
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First real day of taking apart the 86'



Just about apart. Surprisingly easy to take apart :P
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Report this Post06-21-2012 12:50 PM Click Here to See the Profile for race9887Send a Private Message to race9887Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Just an update:



Motor pretty much ready to go




Sand blasted the cradle and and sprayed on truck bedliner.
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Havent really been keeping up much on my posting but finally got the parts car stripped excluding the harness inside the car and the cradle which is going out asap.
Wiring harness and computer re write came back after a mishap and im finally getting close to putting my 3800 in. Needing tranny conversion parts as my tranny is
a 5 speed getrag from a 95 beretta, and a clutch which is all being ordered within the next month.
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Any updates?
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Report this Post10-08-2012 07:07 PM Click Here to See the Profile for race9887Send a Private Message to race9887Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Snow + cold weather is here which pretty much stops the project until the snow leaves due to not having a garage. Parts car is completely stripped and my 3800 will be going into my other 86 in the spring. Will be keeping you guys posted on purchases this winter.

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Fieros: 85 gt(stock 4cyl), parts car 86 se(everything except automatic), 86 SE 3800 Series 2 conversion car.

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Report this Post10-11-2012 07:43 PM Click Here to See the Profile for race9887Send a Private Message to race9887Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Tranny all painted and all ready to go onto cradle. Came out of a 92 beretta with 8000km since rebuild. Installed FWD conversion kit from Rodney Dickman and powdercoated mounts.



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Report this Post10-12-2012 12:06 AM Click Here to See the Profile for JfrostSend a Private Message to JfrostEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Great looking build, I love the color combination!
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Wow that blue is killer! What are your plans for the car? And it looks great it's always nice to see a fellow youngin who cares about having a cool car and isn't afraid of a project, keep it comming!

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Thanks...Colors turned out much better than I thought at 1st.

The plans have changed alot from what I was going to do, It started as a basic swap. But as my Dad always tells me "If you are going to do something you might as well do it the the way you what it the 1st time and do it right."

The motor and tranny are done in a smoke chrome and the blue is Translucent Blue over Reflective Chrome powder coat, that I did myself in the back yard.

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Looks cool for sure, don't steel my paint scheme lol I'm going with velocity yellow.
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Report this Post01-15-2013 12:02 PM Click Here to See the Profile for race9887Send a Private Message to race9887Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Got some parts for Christmas,



3.4" pulley, the large badge I am putting on the supercharger where the fuel rail was bolted. Not sure what the little one be used for yet.
Post pictures as I install parts, if the weather here ever gets better.

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Here a quick update, been no work going on because we have had winter here for more than 6 months now with a blizzard again today

Been gathering parts:

Complete brushing kit


Fittings to make fuel lines


Clutch, flywheel &mounts.

Got a fuel rail from Fierofreak00 https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/065100.html

Wiring Harness from Fieroflyer

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Birthday present

Rear deck vents

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Getting the 4 cylinder out.


Pressure washing out the engine bay.
Hoping to have the motor and trany on the cradle by the end of the month then build the exhaust.


Have all the rear suspension parts power coated in smoke chrome.


Power Coated vents


My high tech power coating set up.

Hope now the schools out for the summer I can get things moving quicker

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Got a big box of parts today,



guess we are building exhaust this weekend. Hope to take lots of pictures as we go.

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Very impressed with the build. I really wanted to do something like this when I was your age, but it never worked out. Best I could do then was an 1985 Starion which I ran around in until the turbo started spewing oil into the intake. I was a broke teenager and couldn't afford a new or rebuilt turbo, so I parted the car out. In hindsight, I should have stuck with it. I look forward to seeing more progress.
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Cool build! I really like what you're doing. Those custom rear vents are killer!
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Got the clutch in and tranny bolted up.









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Started mocking up the exhaust:













Pictures are a little deceiving, looks like it goods back a lot farther than it really does. I will do the final fitting once the motor is in the car then weld it up.

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Awesome that headers are easier to install on a fiero than stock exhaust manfolds.
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Before u get to much farther...Turn ur motor over using the crank bolt to make sure u have no clutch to trans issues and it rotates freely. Just had an issue with Clutchnet sending the wrong PP causing issues.

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I like your exhaust setup, where did you order it from and did it all come as a kit? also where did you get those fiero badges?

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Thanks guys, I'll check and make sure the motor rotates freely, sure hope no problems but alot easier to fix now than later.

The exhaust headers are pacesetter for the Grande Prix and I just bought stainless tubing and the Magnaflow X pipe muffler from summit and piecing it together. Once its gets test fitted I will weld it all up. The badges were a present from my parents for Christmas, they got from here https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/054658.html

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Any progress? New parts? More importantly new pictures?
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Not much has changed during the winter. Here are a couple of pics didn't post last fall.

These are the parts I draw up and had hydro cut, the pieces on the left are a front motor mount. The ones on the right are for the alternator mount.



Alternator bracket welded and powdercoated.



motor mount is done as well but can't find a picture, when the snow melts I post a pic of it.

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Originally posted by race9887:

Started mocking up the exhaust:

Pictures are a little deceiving, looks like it goods back a lot farther than it really does. I will do the final fitting once the motor is in the car then weld it up.



WoW nice, Y couldn't I've thought of that solution? Using some exhaust Donuts will tighten up those bends if the exhaust is too far out.
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Alternator bracket welded and powdercoated.





This style Low mount only works without AC, right? What is the dog bone solution that goes along with this low mount?
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Yeah this alternator bracket works without A/C. We used the other parts that were cut to build a motor mount that bolts up to where the A/C compressor would bolt, hoping there will be no need for a dog bone. When the snow melts and I can get at the shed where to engine is stored I will post a picture.

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Here some pictures of what I am doing for a mount on the front side of the engine.



Took these parts and welded i tube in to fit a poly bushing.

Still need to build the cradle side of the mount.

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Quick update. Took most of last year off, my Dad discovered he had a generic heart condition and had emergency open heart surgery so the projects got put on hold. Now that he is feeling better than ever we'll be going hard at it.
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Just curious, is that exhaust gonna be trunk friendly or are you gonna have to cut up the trunk ? It looks awesome !
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NOT trunk friendly most of it will have to be cut out.

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