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Supercharging the cadillac 4.9 with Allante intake and Gen V M90 supercharger by MaxCubes
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Because they're gone.

This thread is a "good" example of an unfortunate occurrence that happens here all the time when people use a method other than PIP to post images. They use a hosting site where for whatever reason, the images or the site itself disappears. We are then left to forever stare at red X's where helpful and informative images used to reside.

In some threads it makes no difference as no one cares about the thread a week after it's been posted. However, with interesting threads such as this one, it's a real shame.



Reposted most photos PIP method


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Reposted most photos PIP method


thanks Maxcubes. It would have been a shame for those to have been lost.

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Reposted most photos PIP method


That's great!

Now if you can just post the video we're all waiting for.

 
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Yeah, we want to hear that beast... preferably going through the gears.

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Report this Post03-12-2015 12:45 AM Click Here to See the Profile for MaxCubesSend a Private Message to MaxCubesEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Actually planning to go to local drag strip next weekend... will try to post new video of that
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Report this Post03-12-2015 12:55 AM Click Here to See the Profile for DKcustomsSend a Private Message to DKcustomsEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Can't wait!
Some high quality video/audio would be great
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Well things did not go so well at the track...



I lost traction midway through the quarter mile, almost hit the guy in the right lane and slammed into the barrier


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Damn... are you okay?
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Wow, that is AWFUL news....
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That Sucks!!! Hope You are ok!!!
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AAARRRGGHHHH!

Sorry, man! Hope you didn't get hurt in the process.
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hope you are ok. what were your times before you wrecked it?
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The main thing is that you are ok.

Good thing is that it is a Fiero....engine is saved. How bad is the damage? Subframe twisted or just crushed up to the trunk area?
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Thanks guys, yea I'm fine
Car is perty much totaled... front suspension all twisted
The rear half is just fine... engine starts right up and runs good still

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got any more pics of the damage?
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MaxCubes pm sent.
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But you DID get the video, right.
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But you DID get the video, right.
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Good news is you're ok, and being that its a
Fiero you can just swap it all in another
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Holy crap what a shame man. Glad you're ok. Hope you swap that engine in another fiero. I'm sure I am not the only one who woulda liked to see the dyno numbers on your car. Thanks for reposting your pics
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updates. more pics of the damage?
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Theres gotta be a roller somewhere down your way to stuff that motor in man..
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I have decided to donate my engine/trans assembly to a friend of mine that I have known for many years

He is currently building a Lamborghini replica on a stretched 1988 Fiero chassis

He still has the 2.8 fiero V6 and automatic in the Lambo

Soon to have the 5 speed and supercharged 4.9 V8 going in...


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That was a very nice thing for you to do. Your friend will not only have a great looking car but now the power to go with those looks.

Now if I could only find a friend in my area that knows how to do a 3800SC.
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I loved reading this thread. I wonder if you could get a machine shop to build, say, 25 quality copies of your plenum design for sale here and on eBay (with a profit margin for you of course). You might as well benefit at least a little from all your hard work. It sounds like there is plenty of interest to make it worth your while. You could just take your plenum to the machine shop and let them do the work of copying it. No need to tell them what it's for.

I've always thought that supercharging or turbocharging was the perfect match for the plentiful, cheap, and relatively lightweight 4.9. Its restrictive intake and heads were designed to produce plenty of low end torque to get heavy Cadillacs moving at low RPM, but it gasps for air above 4000 RPM. WIth the Allante steel valve train support, stronger valve springs, super- or turbocharging and intercooling/water injection and a new fuel map this lightweight combination is killer for the Fiero as well as Cadillacs. I wonder if you could sell just the plenum with a list of all the necessary components to us as well as the kit car guys. Just a thought.

If you choose to do this, other enthusiasts can take up the development of water injection or intercooling to increase the power it produces even further.
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I loved reading this thread. I wonder if you could get a machine shop to build, say, 25 quality copies of your plenum design for sale here and on eBay (with a profit margin for you of course). You might as well benefit at least a little from all your hard work. It sounds like there is plenty of interest to make it worth your while. You could just take your plenum to the machine shop and let them do the work of copying it. No need to tell them what it's for.

I've always thought that supercharging or turbocharging was the perfect match for the plentiful, cheap, and relatively lightweight 4.9. Its restrictive intake and heads were designed to produce plenty of low end torque to get heavy Cadillacs moving at low RPM, but it gasps for air above 4000 RPM. WIth the Allante steel valve train support, stronger valve springs, super- or turbocharging and intercooling/water injection and a new fuel map this lightweight combination is killer for the Fiero as well as Cadillacs. I wonder if you could sell just the plenum with a list of all the necessary components to us as well as the kit car guys. Just a thought.

If you choose to do this, other enthusiasts can take up the development of water injection or intercooling to increase the power it produces even further.

First off, sorry to hear of MaxCubes accident but he did walk away unharmed so that is the good news.
As for manufacturing a supercharger adapter plate, that could be done very easily on a CAM water cutter but in reality a completely new intake manifold is required. Is the 4.9L the right engine to do this on? You would also have to have a pulley system to drive the supercharger or lengthen the single belt routing to one more element and hope for the best. Max was running the Eaton M90, a 90 cubic inch supercharger. IMO, its a bit small for a 300 cubic inch engine but it should boost power without blowing the engine up . For the optimal tune a custom program with timing tables for a 2 BAR MAP needs to be designed. As boost rises you need some degree of spark retard. To my knowledge no one has a 2 BAR MAP programmed in but a table could be easily created. I believe that Max got 5 psi of boost from his setup which might be perfect for power with reliability.
The 4.9L engines seem to be in abundant supply, a very cheap to buy, and perhaps your idea is a low budget way to power.

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Originally posted by MaxCubes on 05-28-2015:

I have decided to donate my engine/trans assembly to a friend of mine that I have known for many years

He is currently building a Lamborghini replica on a stretched 1988 Fiero chassis

He still has the 2.8 fiero V6 and automatic in the Lambo

Soon to have the 5 speed and supercharged 4.9 V8 going in...


I wonder what became of that project. I was always hoping to see a successful completion to this supercharged 4.9 saga.

[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 04-01-2019).]

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I have had success supercharging the Cadillac 4.5/4.9 engine. I will be track testing it his summer. I'm working on an even a stronger boosted 4.5 long rod engine.
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I have had success supercharging the Cadillac 4.5/4.9 engine. I will be track testing it his summer. I'm working on an even a stronger boosted 4.5 long rod engine.


What have you used to SC the 4.9?
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B&M 144 Forced Induction Supercharger
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Originally posted by Johns 4.9:

I have had success supercharging the Cadillac 4.5/4.9 engine. I will be track testing it his summer. I'm working on an even a stronger boosted 4.5 long rod engine.



 
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B&M 144 Forced Induction Supercharger


Start your own thread. This would be interesting to hear about.
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