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Installing the clutch banjo to the pedal? by FieroCat
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Report this Post05-08-2014 12:49 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FieroCatSend a Private Message to FieroCatEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Well, I just replaced my master clutch cylinder and I can not, to save my life, get the banjo to snap onto the clutch pedal pin to connect it. The bushing seems to be too tight. Is there a special way to slip it on? Or just more brute force needed?

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Report this Post05-08-2014 12:58 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BloozberrySend a Private Message to BloozberryEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
As I recall, some of the aftermarket pedals may have a larger diameter pin. You might need to file the pin to a smaller size.
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Report this Post05-08-2014 01:33 PM Click Here to See the Profile for dobeySend a Private Message to dobeyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Did you get the right master cylinder?

http://rodneydickman.com/ca...h=61&products_id=280

Or do you have an 87 or 88, but have an 84-86 clutch pedal? It looks like the earlier version had a larger bushing/pin than the later version.
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Report this Post05-08-2014 02:14 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FieroCatSend a Private Message to FieroCatEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Should be the right one for 86. The old one I replaced looks like the 87-88 version as shown on rodney's site... so I got the same style. Rockauto showed that style for 86 I believe? But confused as to why an 87-88 style one would be in an 86 model, given that it looks very much like the original cast iron one.

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Report this Post05-08-2014 02:24 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierofoolClick Here to visit fierofool's HomePageSend a Private Message to fierofoolEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Just use your old one. They're the same except for the hole size.
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Report this Post05-08-2014 02:27 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FieroCatSend a Private Message to FieroCatEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Old master cylinder was leaking, that's why I replaced it.

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Oh, is it possible to swap out the banjos? I actually tried pulling the old one out of the cylinder but couldn't seem to remove it.

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Report this Post05-08-2014 02:56 PM Click Here to See the Profile for dobeySend a Private Message to dobeyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
If you can wait a couple days, you should contact Rodney and see if he'll swap an early style banjo for the one on yours (which you should send back to him), so that you can keep the adjustable banjo (it's worth it), and have it fit correctly in your car.

And offer to pay the small amount in shipping to send the new one, and to send the one off your new master back.
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Originally posted by FieroCat:

Oh, is it possible to swap out the banjos? I actually tried pulling the old one out of the cylinder but couldn't seem to remove it.



You'll have to remove the master cylinder again. Remove the Circlip that holds the banjo in the back of the MC. Experiment with your old MC to see how it's done.
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I'll take a look again, but I couldn't find any kind of clip holding the banjo in.

The new banjo eyelet hole was plenty big to fit over the pin, but the plastic bushing was just slightly too small to fit over it... can I get a bushing that will fit on its own?

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Originally posted by dobey:

If you can wait a couple days, you should contact Rodney and see if he'll swap an early style banjo for the one on yours (which you should send back to him), so that you can keep the adjustable banjo (it's worth it), and have it fit correctly in your car.

And offer to pay the small amount in shipping to send the new one, and to send the one off your new master back.


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Originally posted by FieroCat:

I'll take a look again, but I couldn't find any kind of clip holding the banjo in.

The new banjo eyelet hole was plenty big to fit over the pin, but the plastic bushing was just slightly too small to fit over it... can I get a bushing that will fit on its own?



Plastic? Rodney's adjustable banjo (and the new master) comes with a brass bushing.
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Well, the new one I got came from O'Reilly's... probably not the best source. Sounds like I need to give Rodney a call!

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Originally posted by FieroCat:
Sounds like I need to give Rodney a call!



There are two theories that come into play when dealing with Rodney:

1.People will buy parts he carry from other vendors and then complain cause they didn't purchase from him.
2.People will buy from Rodney and be happy as hell and will post how there parts are better than expected.

p.s. you then become a R/D cheerleader
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Originally posted by FieroCat:

Well, the new one I got came from O'Reilly's... probably not the best source. Sounds like I need to give Rodney a call!



Oh, I thought you'd gotten the one from Rodney. Don't know about quality of the ones from O'Reilly's, but have heard generally bad things about the ~$20-30 cast iron ones from parts stores going bad and rusting early. The aluminum master from Rodney though is great though, and the adjustable banjo makes installing and bleeding much easier to do.
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Yeah there was a clip on my 86 to hold the banjo in place.

http://www.v8archie.com/arch6.htm
"1) Remove retaining clip holding banjo to the pedal and slide banjo off pedal."

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What's odd is that the pin on my clutch pedal has a lip on it and looks different from the ones pictured on rodney's site. There isn't a hole for a retaining pin or cotter pin. I'm not sure what the correct bushing for it is, but the one that was on there already was plastic with 4 little tabs sticking out.

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Here's a pic of what the pin on my clutch looks like, and the plastic bushings. One slightly smaller than the other, though only slightly:

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I was having a similar problem. The brass bushing fits the stud fine, and it fits in the banjo fine.

But trying to get all three parts together hasn't worked so far because of the offset - they will line up when it's together.
Even light tapping didn't help. The bushing is too precise - an extra 1/1000th of an inch clearance on ID and OD may help.

I took off the nuts securing the Master Cylinder. Once clear of the studs, it can shift 1/2" toward the fender.
The the banjo and pedal line up enough to go together and you can shift the Master Cylinder back onto the studs afterwards.
(should have thought of this earlier)



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Originally posted by fierosound:

I was having a similar problem. The brass bushing fits the stud fine, and it fits in the banjo fine.

But trying to get all three parts together hasn't worked so far because of the offset - they will line up when it's together.
Even light tapping didn't help. The bushing is too precise - an extra 1/1000th of an inch clearance on ID and OD may help.



I had the same problem when I converted my car to a manual.
The fit is so precise that the pieces will not slide together if they are not aligned perfectly.
This with Rodney's master and bushing. Once I had the alignment correct, it was no longer a problem.
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Originally posted by Raydar:

I had the same problem when I converted my car to a manual.
The fit is so precise that the pieces will not slide together if they are not aligned perfectly.
This with Rodney's master and bushing. Once I had the alignment correct, it was no longer a problem.


I had no movement in the pedal either to get things lined up.
I DID try every-which-way before loosening the master cylinder.

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Originally posted by fierofool:

Just use your old one. They're the same except for the hole size.


Do you mean that the early "large hole" banjo rods are the same as the later "small hole" banjo rods, except for hole size?

I'm wondering if I can install a later master cylinder and later hydraulic line, with an early banjo rod and early pedal.
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Originally posted by pmbrunelle:

I'm wondering if I can install a later master cylinder and later hydraulic line, with an early banjo rod and early pedal.


Make an adjustable banjo and you can mix and match to your heart's delight.




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I want to know if I can mix and match with unmodified parts!
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If you're mixing and matching, you're already modifying.
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Originally posted by dobey:


Oh, I thought you'd gotten the one from Rodney. Don't know about quality of the ones from O'Reilly's, but have heard generally bad things about the ~$20-30 cast iron ones from parts stores going bad and rusting early. The aluminum master from Rodney though is great though, and the adjustable banjo makes installing and bleeding much easier to do.


The slave cylinders are the unreliable cast iron ones, the master cylinders are cast aluminum, and some people say they work fine, haven't heard to many complaints, mine hasn't lasted but neither did my Rodney unit, sooooo yeah.
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