Alright Fiero Fanatics, I need your help. I have a 1986 Fiero SE with an Iron Duke (2.5l 4cyl) and an auto trans.
I got this for free, and I've been working on it almost every day since. I have started with trying to see all of the obvious problems. So I've replaced the plugs and wires, the fuel pump, and the fuel filter. The oil looked like new, and the tranny fliud was perfect. I wasn't getting flow with the coolant system so I replaced the Water pump.
Turns out, Fieros are weird, I didn't need to change the water pump, it was just fine. Fieros have to be "burped" which is pretty easy to do, But I didn't know about it when I got the car (first Fiero btw)
Coolant issue is fixed, getting flow now, but I've got a leak that I can't locate. I'll get back to that later, My big issue right now is that I only get fuel sometimes. I can get fuel, get it started and it will run until it runs out of juice or I give it too much gas. I know for a fact I need to replace the Alternator, and I will be doing so with this paycheck (hopefully someone can either explain to me how or point me in the right direction). I just need this up and running well enough to drive it 5 miles a day, until I can afford the setup I've been looking at.
I don't have any pictures of the work I've done yet, but I have pictures of the car and engine bay If you wanna see em let me know.
I get fuel and I can get it to run, though it idles at about 2k. It will continue running until I drive it for about 5 minutes and then it usually dies.
Once it dies, I no longer get fuel, I thought it was the connection to the injector, so I jumped it and the connector is fine, I ended up buying an Injector too, and when I get fuel it's more evenly dispersed, but that wasn't the problem. it's as if once it dies, the pump doesn't work anymore.
I am at a loss as to what this could be. so I fall to asking for help.
I get fuel and I can get it to run, though it idles at about 2k. It will continue running until I drive it for about 5 minutes and then it usually dies.
Once it dies, I no longer get fuel, I thought it was the connection to the injector, so I jumped it and the connector is fine, I ended up buying an Injector too, and when I get fuel it's more evenly dispersed, but that wasn't the problem. it's as if once it dies, the pump doesn't work anymore.
I am at a loss as to what this could be. so I fall to asking for help.
have you checked the fuel pressure when you say you get no fuel? how much fuel pressure do you have?
#2 any engine codes?
#3 when you "get no fuel" is there spark at the coil?
I've had the line off and turned the key to the on position and it's like the pump isn't turning back on. and I /always/ have spark. I've checked spark when I don't have fuel as well as when I do. and I haven't had it running long enough to get it to someone to check the codes, but the "service engine soon" light is on.
Would the ECM tell it not to send fuel after it dies?
Just going to throw it out there for anyone having similar issues. It has occurred to me that it could very well be the Fuel Pump Relay. If it fixes the given problem, I'm going to be posting to let you guys know.
Have you tried jumping the oil pressure switch? You may be loosing oil pressure when it gets hot. With the cooling issue when you first got the car I would question over heating damage.
I've got proper oil pressure, I have a blockage in the Cat so I have too much back pressure as well as a vacuum leak, I know why it dies, I just cant seem to find why the fuel pump won't turn back on once it dies. Would the oil pressure sensor prevent the fuel pump from priming the lines when you turn the ignition on?
I had a similar problem when my fuel pump was failing but I would not keep driving it with a plugged cat.
I have only had it running for less than an hour, I just need to get it running long enough that I can get it across town to my friend's garage and we can bypass the Cat. I'm beginning to think that the Fuel Pump that I put in is not a good one.
As for the fuel pressure issue, are you testing as the schraeder (sp) valve? We need to find out where the fuel pressure issue is.
When I've checked for pressure in the lines, I unscrewed it from the inlet on the fuel filter. it doesn't even squirt the tiniest bit of fuel out of the line.
I wouldn't use anything but Bosch or AC/Delco. Be sure the fuel pump is wired correctly, I had to drop my tank twice because I hooked positive to negative and it caused the pump to run backwards and pump the fuel right back into the tank.
I've had the line off and turned the key to the on position and it's like the pump isn't turning back on. and I /always/ have spark. I've checked spark when I don't have fuel as well as when I do. and I haven't had it running long enough to get it to someone to check the codes, but the "service engine soon" light is on.
Would the ECM tell it not to send fuel after it dies?
**You dont need the engine running to retrieve the codes so retrieve the codes!
Make sure your battery is fully charged and stays charged!
Also, I checked the engine codes today, 12 and 34, which means the map sensor isn't getting enough power (makes sense because I didn't have it plugged in) and the vacuum diagram shows the TB connecting to the map sensor, but the map sensor vacuum line is connected directly to the air cleaner. I'll upload a photo when I have light tomorrow.
It's wired correctly (as far as placement on where the wires go) but it's the butt connectors I'm concerned about. I will post a few pictures of the problems I've talked about tomorrow, either way I'm actually going to be getting the better pump. because it's an $18 difference.
I'm also considering using a toggle switch on the fuel pump if this doesn't fix the problem.
I let my friend work on my car with me and we were a little drunk. He crimped down the wires and the power wire wasn't actually crimped onto the wire....
I let my friend work on my car with me and we were a little drunk. He crimped down the wires and the power wire wasn't actually crimped onto the wire....
It's up and running guys!
Crimp?? You need to solder those connections or it will only come back to haunt you!!!!
"As for the fuel pressure issue, are you testing as the schraeder (sp) valve? We need to find out where the fuel pressure issue is." * a 2.5 Has NO Schrader valve. unless you Install one.