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Cavalier Dash Install by triads
Started on | : 03-10-2015 07:51 PM |
Replies | : 42 (2723 views) |
Last post by | : Inferno on 07-17-2017 02:45 PM |
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Mar 10th, 2015
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triads Member Posts: 74 From: Orlando, Fl. USA Registered: Mar 2012
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I know this subject has been covered for many years now, and there are plenty of helpful hints on this forum. I'm about to "possibly" partake in the swap adventure, and have seen a few different installs ( the ones that actually still have a valid picture link ). There are a few users here that have done it, but like I previously stated, their pictures of the install, and what needs to be cut, removed or shaven are gone... and maybe even the user is gone as well. There are also quite a few posts that end with "I'll post pics of the completed install, etc... later " and never did. Anyway, I pretty much have in mind the wiring, again thanks to ig88vsbobafett for spelling it out in a post. There are still a couple of things are still amiss with me.. One is, I've come across some posts about a Speedometer Buffer, 2000/4000ppm issue, and the speedometer wont work without one, do I need this? I have a 85 GT, Auto, with an 87 tach & speedo swap. If I do need this buffer, does anyone reading this have a working spare they could possible sell? Or where to look? Second, has anyone that did this swap use the original faceplate of the Cavalier cluster, and make it look nice inside the fiero pod? I've seen some using a piece of smoked Plexiglass which looks real nice, however they don't have the original faceplate behind it; which is what I want. Also if there are any users that have done this, didn't like it, and decided to go back to the original cluster I would like to hear from you as well.. I would rather have all my ducks in a line before starting the swap. Thanks in advance for any helpful tips. [This message has been edited by triads (edited 03-11-2015).]
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07:51 PM
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PFF
System Bot
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Mar 13th, 2015
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triads Member Posts: 74 From: Orlando, Fl. USA Registered: Mar 2012
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Its nice not living to far from a pull n pay, got a buffer from a 88 firebird.. Now if anyone has an idiot proof wiring diagram I would appreciate it.
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01:52 PM
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Cajun Member Posts: 1567 From: Youngsville, La., USA Registered: Dec 2003
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Check the search function for "Cavalier".
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09:15 PM
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triads Member Posts: 74 From: Orlando, Fl. USA Registered: Mar 2012
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Thanks for the reply, but that search has already been done. It just seems that anyone that has done this swap or added the buffer has sold their car and don't have any recollection of the wiring. [This message has been edited by triads (edited 03-13-2015).]
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09:42 PM
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Mar 14th, 2015
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Fieroking Member Posts: 2149 From: Coeur D Alene Idaho USA Registered: Jun 2002
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I have the written instruction for doing this install. Send me you address and i'll mail you a copy. Joe Sokol ------------------ 85 SE Daily driver with a 3.4 DOHC OBD II 88 Formula/GT 4.9 Allante Intake (My Baby) www.fieroking.com
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01:18 AM
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triads Member Posts: 74 From: Orlando, Fl. USA Registered: Mar 2012
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PM & Email sent. Thanks
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05:08 PM
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Reallybig Member Posts: 974 From: Calgary Alberta Canada Registered: Mar 2011
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You are referring to the cavalier digital dash I imagine...
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08:31 PM
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Reallybig Member Posts: 974 From: Calgary Alberta Canada Registered: Mar 2011
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oops. Double post. [This message has been edited by Reallybig (edited 03-14-2015).]
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08:33 PM
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triads Member Posts: 74 From: Orlando, Fl. USA Registered: Mar 2012
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Yep.. I would like to see how you have yours installed into the fiero pod... and if you have to use the buffer to make the speedo work
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09:53 PM
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Mar 15th, 2015
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Reallybig Member Posts: 974 From: Calgary Alberta Canada Registered: Mar 2011
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I just want to see if I can post a few of the pics I have...
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10:35 PM
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Reallybig Member Posts: 974 From: Calgary Alberta Canada Registered: Mar 2011
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Ok. Well that worked so here we go... You start with the picture above. Then remove the cover.  Take off the metal top piece.  The tach side pulls straight out.  You're gonna want to upgrade to bright LED's if you want to go with smoked glass. a couple of nuts and the cover comes off the tach mechanism  Make your life easy and label all the plug terminals. You'll hate yourself later if you don't.   Here is you typical Walmart automotive lighting improvement LED strip. Normally meant for import "tuner" wanna be's. Use your dremel and cut some fiberglass circuit board with metal foil on one side into an adapter for the poor stock bulbs.  Grind out the middle section to make two separate contact areas to solder your wires onto so you can plug it into the stock bulb receptical. Remember, LED's are polarity sensitive and won't work one way. Check before plugging in and buttoning up your dash.  Like so...   Now crush this thing. But wear proper PPE.  In case you were wondering which one is positive and which one is negative.  I cut the lens from the cavalier tach gauge cluster to use as a mounting place for the LEDs   Don't mount them like this. Mount the LEDs in the hockey stick shape of the tach display. You'll get better visibility. For those of you who don't know what hockey is... Google it.  I used ca glue and activator to hold things in place  Ta-Da!  Trim off the outer flap  You'll need to trim off the area inside the line to clear the steering column  Back view for some reason  I think it's trimmed here  Marked are the other areas you will have to trim. Note the line at the top as well      Use some extra material to make a coulple of spacer tabs.  Should now look something like this. Now those tabs go around the two screw holes at the bottom. I used CA glue and activator again   Here you can see why they are shaped the way they are   A couple of stock screw with washers to hold things in place  A closer look.  But of course you want to know how to modify the fiero cluster housing to make things fit. I got pics for that too if you want me to continue....
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11:32 PM
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PFF
System Bot
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Mar 16th, 2015
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zzzhuh Member Posts: 826 From: Colorado Registered: Jan 2014
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 Definitely keep up the good work. I'd love to see a video of this installed and working. For being an 80's car, most people that see this would probably just assume the fiero came stock like this. ------------------ Every fiero has a story, It's our job to keep that story alive.
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12:17 AM
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triads Member Posts: 74 From: Orlando, Fl. USA Registered: Mar 2012
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By all means continue.. This is just what I was looking for. . and the buffer install wiring.. do i even need it? Thanks! [This message has been edited by triads (edited 03-16-2015).]
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01:06 AM
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DandRauto Member Posts: 419 From: Middletown, NJ Registered: Mar 2001
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Don't stop now.
What year is the cluster from?
Rich
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03:23 PM
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Reallybig Member Posts: 974 From: Calgary Alberta Canada Registered: Mar 2011
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| quote | Originally posted by DandRauto:
Don't stop now.
What year is the cluster from?
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I believe the digital dash was available in the Cavalier from 87-89. Possibly 90. I'm not 100% for sure but those are the years I have pulled them from. Always from the 2door fastback version. I think I even found one in a Sunbird hatchback... weird kinda looking model. I have pulled as many bad clusters as I have good clusters and found that for the most part, the later years are the better ones that always work. They weren't used for very long because of problems... or so I've heard.
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09:47 PM
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Reallybig Member Posts: 974 From: Calgary Alberta Canada Registered: Mar 2011
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Ok. Let's continue. You WANT two of these. These are the connectors that plug into the back of the fiero cluster. They have those great hook thingys that grab onto the cluster and don't slip out. The Cavalier comes with ones that just press in and are held in by the gauge cluster being screwed in place, whereas the fiero by design needs them to be held in place with those clips. Not the end of the world if you can't get them but you at least have one with the fiero gauge cluster. The other plug for the fiero is too small to work with the Cavalier pod. So grab the plugs with the Cavalier pod as you will need at least one and the one from your fiero. It's nice to have the pig tail wire ends in some cases where the fiero wire needs to be extended.  As for what needs to be done to the fiero pod to make the Cavalier cluster fit? Grab a Dremel and do this....    And this...    Now we are going to play with this thing. The metal piece that was screwed onto the top of the Cavalier cluster attaching it to the grey face thing.  Do this to it.  Now to fill this spot with one of the pieces and make it hold the Cavalier cluster in place.  This piece goes here... some pilot holes and leftover screws will hold it in place.   And the other side.  Make sure not to drill into the circuit boards. The white plastic is kinda funny stuff. It doesn't burn with heat the way most plastic does but melts kinda grainy. It does however crack easily if you don't drill the darn pilot holes! So don't cut corners in that area.  Notice the metal pieces from the front in the top two corners of the fiero pod. Poorly circled is a stubby sheetmetal screw I used to further anchor the Cavalier cluster into the fiero pod.  A closer look   Making some cardboard templates, I used that extra Cavalier cluster flap I cut off and fabbed up some filler pieces. I put them on white paper so they could be seen easier.  With the 1\8" holes drilled, a couple of pop rivits ineach piece holds them tight.   Now you can pull out the whole cavalier pod and it looks like this...  You can see in this picture that the sections between the display on the right have been made larger as has the area above the speedo. This is because with the difference between the angle of the cavalier gauge cluster to the driver and the angle of the fiero gauge cluster to the driver, the stock cavalier instrument cover actually prevents a portion of the display from being seen. In another Cavalier digital dash swap I did, I just cut out the bars between all the displays on the right side. Much easier!  You can kinda see what I mean in this pic. The flash really drowned out the display!  Ok. I'm into this for over a half hour and got a few things to do this evening. More tomorrow. If you want...
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10:41 PM
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Mar 17th, 2015
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triads Member Posts: 74 From: Orlando, Fl. USA Registered: Mar 2012
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By all means, continue. This definitely helps.
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06:13 PM
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cmechmann Member Posts: 981 From: Baltimore Md. Registered: Dec 2012
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I know they are getting very hard to find, but has anyone tried a Cimarron dash.
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08:13 PM
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Mar 18th, 2015
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a_bartle Member Posts: 358 From: Peck, MI USA Registered: Feb 2010
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This is going to look stellar, can't wait to see the final results!
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12:06 PM
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2.5 Member Posts: 43235 From: Southern MN Registered: May 2007
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| quote | Originally posted by Reallybig:
here we go...
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Awesome wruite up and pics Reallybig!
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12:42 PM
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Spoon Member Posts: 3762 From: Sadsburyville, PA. 19369 / USA Registered: May 2004
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I found this...Temptation is a horrible thing to ignore. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILyQ1pE9_GESpoon ------------------ "Kilgore Trout once wrote a short story which was a dialogue between two pieces of yeast. They were discussing the possible purposes of life as they ate sugar and suffocated in their own excrement. Because of their limited intelligence, they never came close to guessing that they were making champagne." - Kurt Vonnegut
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06:05 PM
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PFF
System Bot
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Mar 19th, 2015
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Reallybig Member Posts: 974 From: Calgary Alberta Canada Registered: Mar 2011
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Well, somehow my SD card with all my pics is corrupted. Whatever that means. 8gigs of videos, pics and info gone. Sh*t. I'll try to finish up with what I can. The white plastic part of the Cavalier dash that holds all the gauges needs to be trimmed down the sides to fit in the fiero pod. To prevent the light from escaping the sides, I used the trimmed pieces to melt back on after the right size has been achieved. There is no battery light in the Cavalier dash. Not a problem as there is a good voltage display and I had no problems when running the 2.5 4cyl. The Caddy 4.9 needs a battery warning light as the computer uses the resistance across the bulb to tell the alternator to start charging the battery. I spliced a battery backlit display into one of the cavalier pod blank warning display lights. You kinda got to figure which one to use given the tracings on the back of the cluster. Some glue and tape and a bunch of time later it was working. Sorry. No pics  There is a shift light on the Cavalier dash and can be wired into the fiero computer. At least the 2.5 computer. It's great if you want the car to tell you to shift at all the wrong times and to randomly flash. I pulled the bulb and threw it away. My Speedo is wired directly to the terminals on the back of the Cavalier dash. Worked great with the 2.5. No buffer needed. I had the Caddy ECM chip reprogrammed to recognize the fiero's gauge required pulses ( I believe it is 4000 ) and it works fine. No buffer needed. Of course the Caddy ECM needed to see the speed of the car for other reasons and I wired it in parallel to the speedo. Seems to work fine. What would the buffer be used for any how? The needle on the Tach is not really visible during the daylight and needs a brighter bulb than the stock ones. I have yet to make a custom LED to take it's place but it is on the "to do" list. Of course this is because I put a one piece smoked lens across the whole fiero pod face. If you come up with an alternative, you won't have this as a problem. But personally, it just looks so cool with the smoked glass that I plan on finding a solution. The 2.5 caused the Tach to read low, and the 4.9 causes the tach to read higher RPM than it is. It is calibrated for a 6 cylinder so providing that is what you have, you should not need to alter the back of the tach board. I'll take some more pics. But I can't tell you how pissed I am to have lost damn near all of them.
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01:16 AM
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triads Member Posts: 74 From: Orlando, Fl. USA Registered: Mar 2012
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That stinks.. Hopefully you'll be able to resurrect your Mem card... Right now im trying to bench test this cav dash I have before I install it. I know I have + & - to hook up, but is there anything else that needs to be powered? Like the dimming line, does it need juice?
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02:00 PM
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Reallybig Member Posts: 974 From: Calgary Alberta Canada Registered: Mar 2011
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Just put 12 volts to the + & - on the back of the pod. I used an emergency lighting battery pack. (The two large ribbon contacts) the instruments should power up. The electronics convert the 12 volts to around 50 in order to light up the display. It does a test run of the displays by lighting it up like in that video that was posted, then it returns to the input values. You won't see any movement on the tach till you hook things up. Thats how I found out one of mine were bad. (I have 2 tested and working spare cavalier clusters). The dimming works funny and won't work properly if you wire things up the way it says to in the wiring thread here on pff. I will post my wiring sheets with corrected notes when I find them.
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07:27 PM
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triads Member Posts: 74 From: Orlando, Fl. USA Registered: Mar 2012
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I did put power to the larger +/- post, didn't get anything.. that why I wondered if there was to be power applied somewhere else.. oh boy...
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07:55 PM
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JohnWPB Member Posts: 5222 From: West Palm Beach, Florida Registered: May 2009
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Wow, I have never seen someone step up so BIG when someone else asked for help! Kudos to you! I sold a cavalier Digital Dash on eBay about 6 months ago. If I had had the step by step that you posted here, I probably would have been able to install it! I am a computer tech, and if you would like, send me the SD card, and I will do everything possible to retrieve the data. As long as there is nothing personal on it of course  I will then toss the files up on the net for you to download, and mail the card back to you. I do not want any money for this, just hopefully the ability to help retrieve the rest of the pictures for the cluster install is payment enough.
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08:40 PM
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Reallybig Member Posts: 974 From: Calgary Alberta Canada Registered: Mar 2011
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Hey JohnWBP, thank you so much for the offer to look at \ repair my SD card. I do have a computer programmer friend who will look at it on the weekend. If he can't figure anything out I'll take you up on that offer!
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10:53 PM
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Reallybig Member Posts: 974 From: Calgary Alberta Canada Registered: Mar 2011
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I did some digging and took some fresh pics with a new SD card for ya. Here is a picture of the back of one of my spare Cavalier digital dashes. I have the plug installed into only one of the two ports... this one. All of the wires are taped up and isolated from each other and the black wire (-) and pink with black stripe wire (+) are set aside for 12 V power.  With the cluster flipped over and the two wires sticking out the right side... power is eagerly waiting  ALL I did was connect the 12 V battery (2000mAh) to the two wires, black - and pink\black + and she fired right up. Here is its system check mode at its peak  And when it is done it drops down to this and stays here waiting for you to re-attach the car, start your cavalier and drive away.  Like that will ever happen. The poor Cavalier digital dash must feel like Robocop when he realized the rest of his body was scrapped and this is all that was kept. I would bring a battery into the yard and test the cluster after I pulled it so I didn't buy a dud. After being burned the first time that is. I do have two spares and am willing to part with the one in the picture if you are interested. I can also make you a smoked lens as I have enough plexi left for a couple. PM me and we can go from there. If not, I'll finish answering all the questions and posting pics (when\if I get them recovered)
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11:13 PM
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Reallybig Member Posts: 974 From: Calgary Alberta Canada Registered: Mar 2011
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As a side note; all of the white print on the Cavalier grey face is backlit and shows up through the smoked lens when the lights are on. I thought that was pretty neat.
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11:18 PM
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Reallybig Member Posts: 974 From: Calgary Alberta Canada Registered: Mar 2011
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| quote | Originally posted by cmechmann:
I know they are getting very hard to find, but has anyone tried a Cimarron dash. |
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The Cimarron dash. Compliments of google images.0  My personal favorite. The Riviera digital dash. I have a working one but supposedly need the matching ECM and BCM piggy backed to communicate. Just not that inspired right now.  [This message has been edited by Reallybig (edited 03-19-2015).]
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11:25 PM
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Mar 20th, 2015
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JohnWPB Member Posts: 5222 From: West Palm Beach, Florida Registered: May 2009
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Hopefully your friend can get the images off the card for you. This thread reminded me that I still had a GM temperature sensor for the cavalier cluster. I just put it up on eBay. I have been tossing a couple items on eBay to have some extra pocket money to blow at the Daytona show next weekend
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12:15 AM
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PFF
System Bot
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triads Member Posts: 74 From: Orlando, Fl. USA Registered: Mar 2012
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| quote | Originally posted by JohnWPB:
Hopefully your friend can get the images off the card for you.
This thread reminded me that I still had a GM temperature sensor for the cavalier cluster. I just put it up on eBay. I have been tossing a couple items on eBay to have some extra pocket money to blow at the Daytona show next weekend  |
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I would have bought that outright from you, w/o ebay
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12:28 AM
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triads Member Posts: 74 From: Orlando, Fl. USA Registered: Mar 2012
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Reallybig - PM Sent
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08:59 PM
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Mar 23rd, 2015
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JohnWPB Member Posts: 5222 From: West Palm Beach, Florida Registered: May 2009
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| quote | Originally posted by triads:
I would have bought that outright from you, w/o ebay |
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It is still there with no bids  [This message has been edited by JohnWPB (edited 03-23-2015).]
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01:17 PM
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Mar 31st, 2015
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Reallybig Member Posts: 974 From: Calgary Alberta Canada Registered: Mar 2011
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Apr 1st, 2015
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Reallybig Member Posts: 974 From: Calgary Alberta Canada Registered: Mar 2011
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Some good progress today on the plug-n-play cavalier\fiero gauge pod for triads. Fully mounted and almost ready for testing. It doesn't look like it but this is a long process. I don't remember it taking this long for the other two I built. But I do have a bad memory so.... Just a few small details and I'll plug it into my fiero and make sure it all works before shipping.
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02:26 AM
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Apr 3rd, 2015
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triads Member Posts: 74 From: Orlando, Fl. USA Registered: Mar 2012
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Wow, looks real nice.. Also looks like you've had some practice... [This message has been edited by triads (edited 04-03-2015).]
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10:46 PM
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Apr 7th, 2015
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Reallybig Member Posts: 974 From: Calgary Alberta Canada Registered: Mar 2011
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I want to try to improve on a few of the features with this gauge pod that I do feel could use some attention. So I picked up some custom (walmart) LED lights for $17 to replace a few in the dash that don't show up so bright behind the smoked lens.  Of course you could also read "custom" as "will need modification". One bulb needed to be taller and one needed to be shorter. The tall one was spaced with some black silicone for assembly and strength reasons.  The short one will fit under the tach to illuminate the needle and the backlit words.  The tall one will illuminate the backlit images on the gauge face plate as well as other stuff  This should make for an improvement over the dim stock lightbulbs. I hope. [This message has been edited by Reallybig (edited 04-07-2015).]
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09:16 PM
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triads Member Posts: 74 From: Orlando, Fl. USA Registered: Mar 2012
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I wonder if those are dimmable..
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09:35 PM
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Apr 8th, 2015
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Reallybig Member Posts: 974 From: Calgary Alberta Canada Registered: Mar 2011
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you probably won't want them to be. But I can say that the ones in my dash do dim with the dial.
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03:15 AM
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