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Differences in Duke cylinder heads by Slammed
Started on | : 04-01-2015 12:22 AM |
Replies | : 20 (687 views) |
Last post by | : Slammed on 04-10-2015 07:57 PM |
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Apr 1st, 2015
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Slammed Member Posts: 783 From: Sumner, WA Registered: Mar 2015
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This is actually for an S10. I've decided to forgo a swap and settle for a measly 120ish HP I can squeeze out of the duke. MPG, cost and all that. I figured I could hog out the intake mani/head, bore the TB, build a header and a mandrel 2.25" exhaust. I've got a flow bench and have ported dozens of cylinder heads so this is something I'm very comfortable with
Any good cam profiles? I think after 86? they were all roller cams
Last iteration of the duke '91-93 S10s had 105hp. I know that head is not a swirl like the Fiero duke, but I don't know what else. As far I've learned 89-90 didn't have swirl but the bowls weren't as deep, and they didn't have the exhaust ports with the raised floors,
Is the tune significantly different for the S10 in those years? New PCM? They weren't DIS so hopefully the wiring isn't too different. Aside from a cam and gaskets, it shouldn't cost me a dime so I'm gonna have some real fun with this
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12:22 AM
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PFF
System Bot
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Raydar Member Posts: 41110 From: Carrollton GA. Out in the... country. Registered: Oct 1999
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TopNotch, on this forum, did some interesting things with the Duke in his car. He'll probably pop in at some point. If not, run a search on his name. He posted a fairly detailed thread. ------------------ Raydar 88 Formula IMSA Fastback. 4.9, NVG T550
Praise the Lowered!
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06:33 AM
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Slammed Member Posts: 783 From: Sumner, WA Registered: Mar 2015
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I read through his thread. It's too bad there aren't more people doing the simple stuff to dukes. I've read A LOT of "just swap it" and "it isn't worth it"
Head swap and a prom change and you're looking at 20hp right there. What? $100? Worth it. I'll have before and after dyno sheets
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06:57 PM
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Slammed Member Posts: 783 From: Sumner, WA Registered: Mar 2015
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Finished with the raw material removal on the intake. Thinking about cutting out the dips on the top and welding in some flat plate   This is an '89 head. Bowls look like this  Sonic shows the right side of the intake pocket is only about 5mm thick. Gotta be careful
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11:36 PM
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Apr 2nd, 2015
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DisplacementIsKing Member Posts: 58 From: Grimsby, Ontario, Canada Registered: May 2014
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I am in the middle of the same project, I have an older gm reman 2.5 with ~100,000km's.
I have a holley TBI, will bore the hole to 2" then port match the head and intake manifold and modify a set of shorty SBC headers.
That 89 head looks to have more bowl volume then the swirl port head, if so you will drop your compression ratio.
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06:17 PM
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Slammed Member Posts: 783 From: Sumner, WA Registered: Mar 2015
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You're confusing bowl and combustion chamber. And this isn't a swapped head, this is the factory head on the S-10. The chamber volume is the same as the 87-88 Fiero head. There isn't much material for "port match" and you will see very little if any gains without a real porting job
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07:31 PM
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DisplacementIsKing Member Posts: 58 From: Grimsby, Ontario, Canada Registered: May 2014
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Ok yeah that's what I meant, I have a swirl port head which was on the 82-86 I believe which are junk for flow. I read that the later year heads were better like yours. The problem with porting work is that the head is so thin you need to be careful.
Back to your post, if your looking for a mild cam for a roller lifter set-up, the fierostore sells one, If you want to switch to a flat lifter set up there are more choices, found a few on summitracing.
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08:11 PM
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Slammed Member Posts: 783 From: Sumner, WA Registered: Mar 2015
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Custom cam grinds can be had from Delta for $85. I'm going to tune this best I can before changing the cam so I can choose the best profile [This message has been edited by Slammed (edited 04-02-2015).]
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09:35 PM
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Apr 3rd, 2015
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Slammed Member Posts: 783 From: Sumner, WA Registered: Mar 2015
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I soniced the intake ports tonight and all the bowls. I won't be touching the exhaust aside from bullet nosing the guides and a polish. There is plenty of meat everywhere aside from the high side of the intake bowl and the pushrod pinch point (obviously)
Should have some flow numbers following this weekend
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12:50 AM
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Apr 4th, 2015
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sardonyx247 Member Posts: 5032 From: Nevada, USA Registered: Jun 2003
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The most aftermarket I have seen for the dukes come from midget class racing suppliers. as they used 2.5s Maybe something to look into.
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02:03 AM
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Apr 6th, 2015
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Slammed Member Posts: 783 From: Sumner, WA Registered: Mar 2015
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Got most of the roughing in on the heads. Still have to smooth out the chambers and exhaust bowls/ports.
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07:40 PM
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PFF
System Bot
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Apr 7th, 2015
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TopNotch Member Posts: 3537 From: Lawrenceville, GA USA Registered: Feb 2009
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I hope you had your head checked for cracks before you put all that work into it. Duke heads are prone to crack, and there can be micro-cracks you can't see. Anyhow, here are some links on my duke rebuild threads: Head threadRebuild thread
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06:11 PM
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Slammed Member Posts: 783 From: Sumner, WA Registered: Mar 2015
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It only has 68k on it and I magnafluxed it when I pulled it I've been an automotive machinist for 12 years now. I've got everything at my disposal for this build Excellent job btw. [This message has been edited by Slammed (edited 04-07-2015).]
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09:06 PM
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DisplacementIsKing Member Posts: 58 From: Grimsby, Ontario, Canada Registered: May 2014
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I was also thinking about taking material off the guides to better the flow but aside from the amount of work, would it compromise the strength? Also, did the port match last weekend and your right, there was not much material removal... | quote | I hope you had your head checked for cracks before you put all that work into it. Duke heads are prone to crack, and there can be micro-cracks you can't see. Anyhow, here are some links on my duke rebuild threads: Head thread Rebuild thread |
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Nice build, I like your roller rocker set up!
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09:56 PM
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Slammed Member Posts: 783 From: Sumner, WA Registered: Mar 2015
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The guides and the short turn are the most crucial part to the port. You will not compromise the integrity doing the guides. We have taken crummy 882 smog heads, done nothing but bowl work, and made +20hp with no other mods The bowls will only take a couple hours. Do it. [This message has been edited by Slammed (edited 04-07-2015).]
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10:09 PM
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DisplacementIsKing Member Posts: 58 From: Grimsby, Ontario, Canada Registered: May 2014
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| quote | The guides and the short turn are the most crucial part to the port. You will not compromise the integrity doing the guides. We have taken crummy 882 smog heads, done nothing but bowl work, and made +20hp with no other mods
The bowls will only take a couple hours. Do it. |
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That's impressive looking to implement this on my even worst swirl port head, what did you use to remove the material from the guides? How much did you enlarge the intake ports of the head and manifold?
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10:50 PM
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Slammed Member Posts: 783 From: Sumner, WA Registered: Mar 2015
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Single cut carbide burrs for the intake(aluminum) and double cut for the head(cast iron)
When you do the swirl, don't try and eliminate it. The roof and back of the bowl is not that thick, so you want to just widen the ramp slightly into the sides of the bowl and bullet nose the guide. I took about 8.5mm vertically and 3mm horizontally all the way down. I also tubed the pushrod holes and straightened out the pinch until I broke through. Give the short side as smooth of a radius as you can
Do not touch the floor of the exhaust port aside from polishing. You want that as high as possible
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11:11 PM
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Apr 8th, 2015
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2.5 Member Posts: 43235 From: Southern MN Registered: May 2007
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Liking the thread
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01:49 PM
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Slammed Member Posts: 783 From: Sumner, WA Registered: Mar 2015
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This is as far as I'm going to take it. Polishing the chambers past this point would just be for pictures and I really don't care. Customers get bling, not me. The places that look untouched in the chambers are just powder I didn't blow out before the pic I'll be doing the valve job tomorrow. I'm going to try and fit 1.94s in the intake. If they do, I will enlarge the throat more  [This message has been edited by Slammed (edited 04-08-2015).]
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09:32 PM
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DisplacementIsKing Member Posts: 58 From: Grimsby, Ontario, Canada Registered: May 2014
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Ok thanks.
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11:05 PM
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Apr 10th, 2015
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Slammed Member Posts: 783 From: Sumner, WA Registered: Mar 2015
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Think I've found some bigger valves that will fit, gonna do some machining this weekend and see what I come out with
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07:57 PM
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PFF
System Bot
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