I have been out of the fiero game for five years now and just picked up an LA machine convertible. I installed a brand new battery and got a no crank no start then noticed the old school clifford keypad on the side . I did a quick google search and found it to be a 5 digit password that needs to be entered. Its now dark outside so i decided to start this thread to get some info rolling in before i trace the wiring out in the morning and drive myself nuts.
i also noticed this relay by the dog bone that i do not recall seeing on a fiero before. as soon as i connected the new battery the relay kept clicking on / off with me not doing anything. is this relay factory installed ? if not i assume its for the clifford alarm. i believe this alarm gets wired into the starting / fuel electrical system so if i simply remove the relay or cut the wiring it will accomplish nothing. ( correct me if wrong ) . As of right now i get 0 fuel pressure and no clicks from the starter but i believe its because of the clifford.
also by the battery box i found a wire disconnected that i also do not recall what it is for. it obviously goes to the open end connector you see next to it. but what does it do ? the wire is red by the way.
Please see pics any info is appreciated. i need to go into my fiero archives and do some digging. As always thanks in advance for any info given.......
In the third pic, something else was removed, and there are 2 other cut wires. That relay does not belong there.
The clifford is a pain to remove. Unless bypassed or deactivated, the car will not start.
i know because at first diag. i thought man i have a bad starter motor and a bad fuel pump.. then i googled the alarm and realized this will kill the whole system.
please correct me if wrong. since i cannot seem to not find any information on disabling this unit or bypassing it. i am going to trace all wiring and try to restore it to factory. which means i have to find where they tapped into the starter wiring / fuel pump wiring / etc etc...
I dont even know where to start on trying to bypass since of course i dont even know the model # or can find any related info
Don't waste your time trying to bypass. Remove it properly and return to factory wiring. This isn't bad if you are comfortable with wiring diagrams. Just have to be slow and methodical. Tracing the Clifford wiring will indicate which systems are being tapped into. How come you didn't get a code when you bought the car?
Don't waste your time trying to bypass. Remove it properly and return to factory wiring. This isn't bad if you are comfortable with wiring diagrams. Just have to be slow and methodical. Tracing the Clifford wiring will indicate which systems are being tapped into. How come you didn't get a code when you bought the car?
I got the car from a Craig list ad. The previous owner knew nothing about the car itself. He was not the original owner. i basically picked it up for the convertible only. The top is not even ripped. I need to remove the carpet and start tracing wiring.
My clifford came with the complete manuals, including installation instructions.[/QUOTE]
No I even contacted the DMV before the purchase to confirm titlel was clean and free of any tickets. Regestration paid till 11/16. I found the clifford box its part number 20-105. Man its a giant bundle of wiring with several relays.
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But there is something that may be of some help to you, most systems like that go dead along with the battery and will have to be rebooted so to speak with the factory password or WTF ever they call it.
Good luck, no matter how good the system the crocks have found ways around them, nothing stops a tow truck, that's why multiply disabling devises are better, tracking systems like Lojac, even just a tracking devise that only you can see are available now.
Good luck, you need it.
Steve
------------------ Technology is great when it works, and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't
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84fiero only the part , unit number are listed on the box no model at all. Thanks for the link but i already emailed there customer support trying to locate the manual. Still awaiting a reply from them.
84fiero only the part , unit number are listed on the box no model at all. Thanks for the link but i already emailed there customer support trying to locate the manual. Still awaiting a reply from them.
email or call the company with the numbers you have, they can point you in the right direction from the model number. I am sure they can help, if they will do it at no cost to you maybe another story. edit to add it is a confusing site, I just downloaded a manual and it says there is a way to disable the system, but I haven't read it yet, got to go plow the last snow storm.
Do you have the emote?
Steve
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No. No remote. Just got home so im about to twist myself all under the dash and start tracing wires lolol. I wont cut anything i just want to start getting familiar with the wiring.
Dang ISMA GT! Curious, was the pager system the one Radio Shack sold back in the 80's to early 90's? I had a Radio Shack alarm in my old Mini-truck but it wasn't the one that came with the pager.
As to the Clifford above, yeah I'd start tracing your wires out. It's possible it has a starter kill circuit on it. If you find the wires it interrupts for that circuit you should be able to unhook them and reconnect them together and get your starter back. Honestly, if it was me and I had no plan to ever use that alarm, I would trace out all the wires and re-connect any pairs along with disconnecting any taps until it was back to the way it was before the alarm was installed.
Dang ISMA GT! Curious, was the pager system the one Radio Shack sold back in the 80's to early 90's? I had a Radio Shack alarm in my old Mini-truck but it wasn't the one that came with the pager.
Yeah the old Mobile Alert from Radio Shack. I had the same one in my mini truck back in the day:
No. No remote. Just got home so im about to twist myself all under the dash and start tracing wires lolol. I wont cut anything i just want to start getting familiar with the wiring.
Take the drivers side seat out, it saves my back, then you can just lay upside down then and work a little more comfortably. I have 6 herniated disks in my back and any time I bend over the pain is unbearable, even on the opium I am on, so I try to avoid bending as much as possible, especially when working on the Fiero.
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Originally posted by IMSA GT:
Join the club. I had 3 different alarms stacked one on top of each other including an old pager alarm system:
I remember that thread, did you ever get it all worked out, hey I forget my name sometimes. Steve
------------------ Technology is great when it works, and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't
Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.
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This is what appears to be a access hole behind the middle storage or was used to run the wiring. free photo upload
when i remove the middle console and follow the wiring it leads me to a relay pack under the computer. Can anyone confirm if this relay is stock or not. upload image online free
Here i am pointing to the 9vlt battery at one end and the wiring leading to the relay pack on the other. image hosting over 5mb
i may be answering my own question here but this does not appear stock there are white/red , white/green wiring from this relay leading into the main harness on the passenger side. i am thinking this is the ignition / starter wiring its tapping into. can anyone confirm ? photo uploader
you can see the pic slice and the yellow wire slice. can anyone tell me what the pink / yellow are on the fiero side. i think the yellow wire leads to the big connector by the battery box. i need to download some diagrams and trace to the other side. upload a gif screen shots image hosting
and this is the relay which was neatly hidden under the computer. upload image free
This i found upfront under the hood. i believe this is a shock sensor. only two wires leading to this. then back into the firewall - clifford box. free upload pictures
i am finding butt connectors like this ALL over the place. this one is leading to the rear hatch open button on the dash. free upload pictures
These were under the ash tray but not leading to anything simply cut and taped up...??????????????? pic host
also for an update. i completely disconnected all plugs going to the clifford mini computer and now i am able to turn the key and i hear the starter spinning BUT it def sounds like its just spinning inside its own housing and the rod not being pushed out to engage the fly wheel. ( sorry i know this is not a good description ) . i removed the passagner rear wheel and turned the motor over by hand to confirm its not locked up or seized. motor turns over nice and free . if i have someone turn the key i can hear / feel the starter whining ( i was under the car at this point ) but its not engaging the fly wheel.
SO can i assume the starter is toast or can this be the clifford alarm still not allowing the starter solenoid to do its job. Also i still have no fuel pressure. I only disconnected the plugs at the clifford box i still have not made any repairs the actual wiring at all.
correct me if wrong at this point with the clifford box unplugged if i am able to turn the key and starter whines that means the starter ignition circuit is being bypassed and it should be engaging the fly wheel and at this point i would now be trying to confirm the fuel circuit. if it is indeed a bad starter then i would now have a " crank no start " which means i am making progress.
also for an update. i completely disconnected all plugs going to the clifford mini computer and now i am able to turn the key and i hear the starter spinning BUT it def sounds like its just spinning inside its own housing and the rod not being pushed out to engage the fly wheel. ( sorry i know this is not a good description ) . i removed the passagner rear wheel and turned the motor over by hand to confirm its not locked up or seized. motor turns over nice and free . if i have someone turn the key i can hear / feel the starter whining ( i was under the car at this point ) but its not engaging the fly wheel.
SO can i assume the starter is toast or can this be the clifford alarm still not allowing the starter solenoid to do its job. Also i still have no fuel pressure. I only disconnected the plugs at the clifford box i still have not made any repairs the actual wiring at all.
correct me if wrong at this point with the clifford box unplugged if i am able to turn the key and starter whines that means the starter ignition circuit is being bypassed and it should be engaging the fly wheel and at this point i would now be trying to confirm the fuel circuit. if it is indeed a bad starter then i would now have a " crank no start " which means i am making progress.
be easy on me for the bad description.
it is possible the solenoid is bad, I have never heard of an alarm that disabled that, granted it probably could be done but I have never heard of it. He obviously took my advise and put multiple disabling devises in that car, or the next owner did, or next. Try tapping the solenoid with a small hammer or wrench lightly while some one is turning the ignition. if that doesn't work pull the starter and have it tested or if you have a set of jumper cables ground the body of the starter and then tap the small wire on the solenoid with the + cable. or if you can get a small screwdriver between those two terminals.
I another life I was involved with some bad things as a teen and I will tell you, no matter what kind of alarm you put in, it can be disabled, oh ya while I am thinking about it, crap I forgot !
Oh ya the 9v battery, it may be a backup power supply to one of the alarms systems, for when you cars battery is disabled by going dead, changed or by the thieves thinking it would shut down the alarm.
Looks like you are having fun with your electrical nightmare. I hate tracing electrical problems like you have run into, I would rather pound my balls flat with a sledge hammer than do what you are with this car.
Steve
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I forgot to mention I already tried banging on the starter with someone turning the key. so it seems like I definitely have a bad starter.also now that I have disabled the two wires by that computer I can feel the fuel pump relay clicking over but I still have no fuel pressure. I will wait until all wiring is restored before replacing any parts. but I am pretty sure I will be doing a starter and fuel pump by the way it seems. Ughh its been years since i dropped a fiero tank. This thing has to be jacked up really high.
Can anyone tell me what the pink / yellow wires are.
I forgot to mention I already tried banging on the starter with someone turning the key. so it seems like I definitely have a bad starter.
No your starter it sounds like is working fine if you hear the gear spinning, you just need a solenoid. the solenoid is your problem, but if you do decide to change it, have it tested first just to make sure.
Does anyone want a clifford alarm from 1985 lol...it wasnt that bad..there was two seperate alarms also. Now i can begin with the starter and fuel pump diag / repair.
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I have 6 herniated disks in my back and any time I bend over the pain is unbearable, even on the opium I am on, so I try to avoid bending as much as possible, especially when working on the Fiero.
