I ordered a full front suspension set for my 85; All the bushings and the upper BJs are right, but the lowers are 50% too big. I called Moog and they told me "Send it back to Summit and they'll send you another part"....I tried to explain that BOTH parts were wrong....So I went to O'Reillys and ordered two locally....Wrong parts again. Everything I can find (Moog part locator, Amazon) shows K6273 as the correct part number for Fieros and Chevettes, too. I suspect that they are not interested in correcting the problem- I was not able to even get thru today, so I sent a Electronic form inquiry. I suspect that I will have to go with the RD Taiwan-made ones...I have no doubt of RDs commitment to quality, but really wante dto buy US and Moog always was the best suspension parts.
Originally posted by Gall757: Rock Auto says K6273 also. Factory packaging error?
Very possible. Moog books have said same # for decades. In this case K6273.
Possible someone mod'ed the car too. Would need Pictures showing both BJs and the LCA. Make sure include a ruler etc in them do show different size etc.
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My 85 SE V6 is the same up front as when I received it from the factory. I was interested in finding out if this was the same Part number thru the years- So now I suspect that someone at the factory has made a major boo-boo....It would be nice if they showed interest in correcting the problem.....
The stock Bj stud diameter is approx' 7/16 while the ones in the box are 5/8".....The insert body diameter stock is 1.625" while the ones in the box are 1.85...And they are not nurled....Even with an ultra-fine adjustment tool I couldn't make them fit!
My 85 SE V6 is the same up front as when I received it from the factory. I was interested in finding out if this was the same Part number thru the years- So now I suspect that someone at the factory has made a major boo-boo....It would be nice if they showed interest in correcting the problem.....
The stock Bj stud diameter is approx' 7/16 while the ones in the box are 5/8".....The insert body diameter stock is 1.625" while the ones in the box are 1.85...And they are not nurled....Even with an ultra-fine adjustment tool I couldn't make them fit!
Sound wrong part in the box...
Moog might have done this but not all vendors get new parts right away. That's going to affect many more vendors as parts move thru the pipeline.
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While I was at O'Reilly's, the guy looked up their regular brand (Master-something or other) and IT was the WRONG one also! Did they copy Moog's wrong one, maybe? It seems impossible for a major company to make such a huge mistake....And then not catch it and correct it! TQM, guys! And maybe some customer service......
While I was at O'Reilly's, the guy looked up their regular brand (Master-something or other) and IT was the WRONG one also! Did they copy Moog's wrong one, maybe? It seems impossible for a major company to make such a huge mistake....And then not catch it and correct it! TQM, guys! And maybe some customer service......
You are the original owner and it has never been worked on? There is a slim chance that your car was modified years ago with the wrong parts. Maybe someone can check their car and post the sizes here.
Check Moog K6257, which is listed on some sites specifically for the 86-87 Fiero lower, but does not say front or rear.
For what it's worth. Around March '13 I installed new front bushings and ball joints on our all stock ''86SE, all Moog parts. The ball joints were, Moog K5292 for the upper and K4558 for the lower. The fit was good for all the parts. The part numbers matched the Moog catalog and Rock Auto online catalog at the time. You might want to try these if they are still offered. Additionally, they have worked great over the last 10,000 miles.
From 2013 catalogs.
Front upper ball joint: Moog K5292 Front lower ball joint: Moog K4558 Front upper bushings: Moog K6170 Front lower bushings: Moog K6163
Edit: Just did a search at the Federal-Mogul, Moog site. K5292 still available, K4558 shows "not" available. Time to call Moog! Quick fix, call Rodney Dickman. We used his on our other car and they fit great. Thanks Rodney.
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I was able to get a hold of Moog; The guy I talked to put in a request for action, so it technically is being addressed, but it will probably be a month or two before they get it squared away, so I ordered the lowers from RD- Along with the BJ removal tool. I am sending the bad ones back to Summit for a refund. I'm still planning to mod the subframe by lowering the upper A-arm mounting point, but it will take a few more months- And yes, I am taking pics.(Sometimes a project takes so long it seems like every step forward includes two steps back....."To the rear, MARCH!")....Arrrggggggg
In response to Gall757's post - for what it's worth, Mevotech's part #s GK6257 and MK6257 show to be for the rear control arms. Moog's part #s seem to follow this pattern, so their K6257 is likely for rear, too... Sorry you're having troubles, cvxjet. I'm with you on trying to stick with a well-known, high-quality American brand product. Hope you reach a satisfactory resolution quickly.
Originally posted by Kevin87FieroGT: For what it's worth. Around March '13 I installed new front bushings and ball joints on our all stock ''86SE, all Moog parts. The ball joints were, Moog K5292 for the upper and K4558 for the lower. The fit was good for all the parts. The part numbers matched the Moog catalog and Rock Auto online catalog at the time. You might want to try these if they are still offered. Additionally, they have worked great over the last 10,000 miles.
From 2013 catalogs. Front upper ball joint: Moog K5292 Front lower ball joint: Moog K4558 Front upper bushings: Moog K6170 Front lower bushings: Moog K6163
Does Not agree w/ Moog web site. www.moogparts.com Most # in my cave are same as Moog Online. Mainly change/added sway bar end links.
Agree, my number for the lower front ball joint doesn't match with the current online catalog. In 2013 when I bought those joints thru Rock Auto I checked the numbers against Moogs' online catalog. Some thing I do when buying most parts. After putting the joints on the car I added the part numbers to my work log for the car. Hence the numbers you see here. Why did Moog drop that front lower ball joint number? I don't have a clue. Just know guys are complaining the new number doesn't fit. Maybe what's in those boxes are not the parts they're suppose to be. Hope Moog gets it worked out.
CVXJET. Thanks for calling Moog. Hope they work on it!
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I'm with you on trying to stick with a well-known, high-quality American brand product. Hope you reach a satisfactory resolution quickly.
Don't count on this anymore with MOOG. I ordered some suspension parts for my Isuzu truck and chose and paid extra for MOOG because of their reputation. Boxes say MOOG, but some of the parts are made in China. I think I got one USA ball joint and one Chinese one - you can see that the metal has different properties. I've seen several posts on other boards about their quality slipping as well with these Chinesium parts not lasting like the MOOG of old. Read the box carefully in the store and take the part out and look at it. Stock seems to vary.
I try to buy USA first, then move on to Mexico and Canada(Our neighbors)....Told a friend this, and he was mad- "I wouldn't give them mexicans anything"....I tried to explain that the reason they come across the border is because they haven't good jobs- Start paying them for stuff and it reduces the pressure.....They are our NEIGHBORS!
I try to never buy anything from China- The people are great, but their Govt is corrupt, and so are most of their businesses- You can get quality stuff from there, but most of them think the US of A is an easy mark- We(The US) buy based on how cheap....And that is what we get- CHEAP! (With added lead- I used to play with lead all the time when I was young....I donk't tnikc thare be any helth probolems wit lead......)
