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How do you get enough tension on the alternator belt? by Formula Owner
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Report this Post09-13-2018 10:05 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Formula OwnerSend a Private Message to Formula OwnerEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I recently replaced my alternator belt with a Gates, and, of course, it squealed right afterwards. I took it back off, cleaned it with dish washing liquid and a nylon brush (in case the pulleys were contaminated), and cleaned the pulleys with brake cleaner and paper towels. A little better, but still squealed. I tightened the belt. The squealing mostly disappeared for a day, then came back. Then I bought a belt tension gauge. The alt belt measured <30 lbs of tension. Spec is 70-140. Ah, so the belt stretched, right? So I re-tensioned it as I usually do. Same tension. OK, so it didn't stretch. I re-tensioned again, but tighter. It measured ~40. So then I tensioned it as tight as I could. I managed 50 lbs of tension. Still not up to spec, but it's been squeal-free for a day.

So how do you guys get the belts up to tension? The way I do it is with a 3/4" open-end wrench. It fits on the end of the alternator, and gives me plenty (I thought) of leverage. My concern was that my wrench tensioning setup could apply TOO much force, but apparently, it's not enough. But I don't see a better way.
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Sounds like the alternator hold-down bolt may be slipping. Check the link below and go to the bottom of the page.

http://fierosails.com/belt.html

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Originally posted by paulmckibben:

http://fierosails.com/belt.html



I wish Rodney would manufacture these. I would buy one.
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Report this Post09-13-2018 11:42 AM Click Here to See the Profile for da.slyboySend a Private Message to da.slyboyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Not certain if you have the V6 or duke, but for the V6 just solve your problem with this https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/039384.html
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Report this Post09-13-2018 11:57 AM Click Here to See the Profile for theogreClick Here to visit theogre's HomePageSend a Private Message to theogreEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Could be the alt and/or water pump has problems and belt is squealing for overload.
Could be iffy pulley alignment.
Too tight belt is bad as or worse than too loose and belt will have problems even break to cord layer and you have a dead belt.

See my Cave, Serpent Belt

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Report this Post09-13-2018 12:16 PM Click Here to See the Profile for CajunSend a Private Message to CajunEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
As mentioned earlier, use a belt tensioner. I have a V6 and had suffered from belt squeal until I installed a tensioner.
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Originally posted by da.slyboy:

for the V6 just solve your problem with this...

Fiero Belt Tensioner


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Report this Post09-13-2018 02:32 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ltlfrariClick Here to visit ltlfrari's HomePageSend a Private Message to ltlfrariEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I have a gates belt on mine, tensioned with my own version of that gizmo mentioned and it still squeals from time to time. Ive not tried this yet but I may.

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/134400.html

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Report this Post09-13-2018 02:40 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 2.5Send a Private Message to 2.5Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
The tensioner add on is worth it.
I also recommend only ever buying the Goodyear Gatorback now called Continental Elite belts.
http://www.thequietbelt.com/
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Report this Post09-13-2018 03:36 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierofoolClick Here to visit fierofool's HomePageSend a Private Message to fierofoolEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Thanks 2.5. Everyone has been telling me they no longer sell the Gatorback.

Be careful about overtightening the adjustment bolt. In an effort to stop what's thought to be changing adjustment, some have overtightened the bolt and caused the adjustment slot to break. I am one of those persons that's done that in the past. Wish he'd made the bracket repair back then. I had to replace the bracket.

http://rodneydickman.com/ca...th=22&products_id=81
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I have just used a crow bar and a little effort to get mine tight - it has worked for me so far. No squeal.
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Report this Post09-13-2018 05:34 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Formula OwnerSend a Private Message to Formula OwnerEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by paulmckibben:
Sounds like the alternator hold-down bolt may be slipping.

I don't think that's the case, based on the readings from my belt tension gauge. I'm just not getting it tight enough to start with.

 
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Originally posted by paulmckibben:Check the link below and go to the bottom of the page.

http://fierosails.com/belt.html

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OK, I want one of those tools. Thanks.
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Originally posted by da.slyboy:

Not certain if you have the V6 or duke,

My username might be a clue.

 
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Originally posted by da.slyboy:but for the V6 just solve your problem with this https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/039384.html

I may go that route, but first I want to make sure that I'm not band-aid'ing over a problem that needs to be fixed.
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Originally posted by theogre:
Could be the alt and/or water pump has problems and belt is squealing for overload.

I don't think the wp has a problem. When the belt squeals, the voltage is low, indicating that the alternator isn't turning, or isn't turning at full speed.

 
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Could be iffy pulley alignment.
Too tight belt is bad as or worse than too loose and belt will have problems even break to cord layer and you have a dead belt.

See my Cave, Serpent Belt

I used to be concerned about over-tightening the belt, but since getting a tension gauge, I see that that's not my problem.
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Originally posted by Formula Owner:

My username might be a clue.


I figured as much... but you may have gone through a half dozen different Fieros since May 2001. It's always a good idea to mention the year and engine etc of the car in question when asking advice.
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Report this Post09-13-2018 09:29 PM Click Here to See the Profile for pmbrunelleSend a Private Message to pmbrunelleEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
You can try Rodney's idler pulley:
http://rodneydickman.com/ca...th=22&products_id=71

Forum profile information is often not accurate due to the reason Patrick explained.
For instance, my current Fiero is not a Fiero GT... though I used to have one.
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Report this Post09-14-2018 03:02 PM Click Here to See the Profile for KissMySSFieroSend a Private Message to KissMySSFieroEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Hands down best option is DodgeRunner's tensioner. I've had it for a couple years. I haven't had any issues since.
I think I spent less time installing it and putting the belt on than I would have just fighting with the stock setup.

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/039384.html

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Report this Post09-14-2018 03:23 PM Click Here to See the Profile for CrasianSend a Private Message to CrasianEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Dodge runner auto belt tensioner For The Win!!! I do that on every single V6 Fiero I own and recommend it to all my FIERO friends. Hands down the best set up to stop the belt squeal problem, period..
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Report this Post04-30-2019 07:56 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Formula OwnerSend a Private Message to Formula OwnerEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
An update. I bought a manual belt tensioner, and used it to tighten my belts. The worst one was the A/C belt. This also took more effort than I planned. It's a bit of a pain to get the tensioner positioned between the pulleys. If Dodgerunner's kit worked for the A/C belt, too, I'd get one.

Anyway... Both belts were loose (even though both are Gates). The alternator belt would slip in the morning until the belt warmed up. The A/C belt would squall horribly about 50% of the time. I managed to get both belts in the 85-95lb range of tension. Now both are perfectly quiet. I guess it remains to be seen how long this lasts.
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