Hi. Any of you guys and gals interested in a dual exhaust system with headers for your 3800 series II swap? Still in the early stages of conception. Primary header tubes are 1 5/8 inches and the collectors are 2 1/4 inches. Mufflers are 18" long by 2 1/4 inches. This design will clear automatics and manual transmission equipped cars and has additional clearance for accessories on the front side of your engine.
Comments? Ideas? Recommendations? Good and bad? I welcome your responses. Trying to come up with an exhaust solution for my 3800 Fiero friends. Thank you.
Cheers

quote Originally posted by Johns 4.9: Hi. Any of you guys and gals interested in a dual exhaust system with headers for your 3800 series II swap? Still in the early stages of conception. Primary header tubes are 1 5/8 inches and the collectors are 2 1/4 inches. Mufflers are 18" long by 2 1/4 inches. This design will clear automatics and manual transmission equipped cars and has additional clearance for accessories on the front side of your engine. Comments? Ideas? Recommendations? Good and bad? I welcome your responses. Trying to come up with an exhaust solution for my 3800 Fiero friends. Thank you. Cheers

That is a super cool program. Thanks for the helpful advice and input. Very cool idea and excellent execution of said suggestion.
My hat's off to you.
I do not have a V6 but I can see how this suggestion can help the v8 snappers as well.

John... You're knocking this stuff out of the park! Good show!

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Love it but have one concern.

Stock 3800 GM PCM management has only one O2 sensor. If you use one sensor in one bank you are getting only 3 cylinders data which could skew things quite a bit if something is going on with any one cylinder.

Thoughts on this?

Dime

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Hi Dime,
Good point. Some of the guys I was talking with wanted to run dual wide band O2 sensors.
Thanks for your comment.
Cheers,
John

That is basically the same exhaust setup the SBC guys have ran for years, so it will fit and work.

Not sure about the 3800 ecm, but the early 411 ecm for the LS1 engines had the option within the calibration of assigning specific cylinders to one or two O2 sensors. If the 3800 ecm has the same option, then switching to dual O2 wouldn't be that much of an issue. The Camaro 3800 likely had dual O2s.

In the logical design order of a car, figuring out a good exhaust system is more difficult than adding I/O to the computer.

Adding computer requirements to the exhaust puzzle could result in unnecessary compromises for flow, heat, etc.

In my mind, it makes the most sense to figure out the best exhaust system, and then adapt the computer to the exhaust.

Every department needs to make concessions to each other... not just one sticks to their way, and then the others bend over.

John's work is both creative and well done. He has some unique products to offer and they all look to be of high quality.
As for the proposed 3800SC exhaust system I would like to add the following comments hopefully taken in a positive way.
The 3800 exhaust can be a tight fit. One problem area is to allow enough space for the header to clear the A/C compressor and the A/C hoses. Another concern I have is retaining the heat shield and sound. My exhaust uses the Spintech crossflow muffler which makes the interior exhaust noise just about bearable and installs without any trunk cutting or loss of the stock trunk heat shield. I also doubt if you can get by with one O 2 sensor making the use of a crossover pipe mandatory. The last item is power and the effectiveness of this system to be better than stock. All of the above will play into the cost vs gain equation.

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