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Restored GT wheels (basic how to) by Skybax
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Report this Post05-22-2021 08:39 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SkybaxSend a Private Message to SkybaxEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Did a quick resto on GT wheels this weekend... I realize there is an older how-to on the home page, but that process is much more involved than I wanted to do, and I disagree with having car running in gear to use as a sanding/polishing lathe, dangerous in more ways than one. I wasn't looking for perfection or to injure a finger, just a basic refresh.

1. I've done about 15 sets of wheels over the last 30 years and I always stripped or sanded them myself, but this is first time I'm doing Fiero wheels and due to the intricate webbing of GT Diamond Spoke Wheels it was wiser to pay to have the wheels chemically dipped/stripped. The nice thing about that process is in addition to saving a bunch of time and labor, it also removes all the crud and brake dust from the backside of the wheels, and the clear coat on the machined lip. That clear coat was like the plastic on your grandmothers couch for 36 years, preserving the lip and waiting for somebody to enjoy it someday.





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2. Next I hand polished the machined lip with a metal polish (my preference is Simichrome) and it only took about 90 minutes to do all 4 lips. If you have some corrosion where the wheel weights were, just use some sand paper to remove and smooth out using 400/800/1200. Then I used 3M auto grade fine line green tape to mask the edge so I would have a nice paint line, and cut out 4 small circles in the tape for the valve stem holes.



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3. On the work bench I place making tape strips on the edge of small advertising mailers like an assembly line (about 8 per wheel) to cover reminder of the wheel. Then I put the wheels on some mats I had laying around for a clean area and to catch overspray underneath, and used quarters for the lug holes. Before painting I recommend using air tool if you have compressor to light blow any dust off the surface of the rims. If you don;t have a compressor you can used that canned air they sell at electronics stores for cleaning out keyboards and computers.



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4. When it came to paint selection, I never liked how the factory gray paint on the GT wheels was a different color gray than the ground effects. (yes it was minor but still obvious, the ground effects are more champagne with a hint of gold in them, whereas the gray on the wheels is a true gray) I had some leftover Rustoleum Graphite Wheel Paint from another job years ago, so I sprayed a test sheet and compared it to the ground effects and it was way too dark. So I bought some Duplicolor Graphite Wheel Paint and sprayed a test sheet and compared it to the ground effects and it was very close! Another option was to have the PPG store mix me the GM ground effects color and inject it into aerosol cans, but that would have been much more expensive and it would not be as durable as the paint formula for wheels.





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5. When painting bare aluminum you should use a self etching primer, that will bite into the metal and allow the paint to bite into the primer, also prevent chip/flake/peal. One of the best over-the-counter aerosol self etching primers is DupliColor, so that works out well by staying with the same brand when using multiple products, to avoid possible compatibility issues if you use different brands. All you need is a few light coats of primer, just enough to get coverage, I used 3 light coats, each one about 2-4 minutes apart. Since the primer is lacquer you need to let it vent/flash off for a least 30 minutes before applying paint.



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6. After waiting 45 minutes I was ready to start painting. A always shake the cans really well for several minutes before hand, and also regularly while I'm painting. The first coat of paint should be really light from above, just a nice even dusting. Wait 5-10 minutes and the second coat you want to go clockwise a full 360 degrees, but when you fan back and forth you want to criss-cross with the lace pattern, that way you are getting coverage on the walls inside the spokes, again light even spray pattern. Wait 5-10 minutes and do the same thing in the counter-clockwise direction. Wait 5-10 minutes and do around the center cap tower and and around the machined lip edge. Wait 5-10 minutes and fan from the center outward 360 degrees. Wait 5-10 minutes and fan from the outer edge toward the center 360 degrees. Wait 5-10 minutes and give the entire surface area the final coat, one nice medium thorough coat all-over without running the paint.

You want to remove the tape about an hour later when its dry to the touch but still soft. Remove the masking tape with paper attached first, then you want to remove the green line tape, but do it slowly and pulling the tape "back on itself" and not upward, that way you don't pull the paint edge upward. Also a good idea to bake them in the sun for hours as it will speed up the cure time for the under layers.





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Final notes... Even though Duplicolor offers a Clear Coat to use with their Wheel Paint, I chose not to use it for several reasons...

- The wheel paint by itself is a durable enamel and doesn't need or require clear coat (optional for more shine and protection)
- There have been too many people that didn't like the heavy orange peal or crazing it created (using all the same products)
- This is a fair weather weekend car and I keep it clean, so its not a daily driver that sees the elements or abuse

I also left the machined lip bare for similar reasons, additionally...

- The aerosol clear coats tend to yellow over time
- The machined lip would not be as vibrant as it is currently
- The aerosol clear coat won't adhere to the polished lip very well and might peal/flake

Hand polishing the machined lip once a year to keep it shiny is no big deal for me, and you avoid all the negatives above.

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Report this Post05-24-2021 02:34 PM Click Here to See the Profile for RaydarSend a Private Message to RaydarEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Nice job!
Yeah... the aircraft stripper, and picking away at all the flecks that would not dissolve, was a complete pain in the butt.
Wish I would have known someone who I could have taken them to, instead. But this was way before the internet was really a thing, and the few people I did talk with said that the stuff they used would ruin my wheels. So I did what I did. But just that once.
I hope the primer helps with the durability of your paint. Mine tended to chip if I bumped them too hard with a lug wrench, or whatever.
If I had this to do over, I probably would have gone for powder coat, instead.
My paint color was the same Argent Gray that GM used on the early 90s steel Sonoma rally wheels.
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Report this Post05-25-2021 04:51 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SkybaxSend a Private Message to SkybaxEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Thanks, I know what you mean, I've stripped/sanded other wheels and couldn't imagine doing these Diamond Spoke wheels that way.

The place I went to uses GreeenSov which works well with no ill affects, but there are more aggressive nasty chemicals out there like B17.

Elaboration on reason for the self-etch primer... Paint doesn't stick well to bare metal especially aluminum. You will hear different opinions on painting directly over self-etch but the bottom line is, if you are doing a steel body panel and use self-etch you really should use another primer over that to seal it because the self etch is not moisture barrier, but you have to sand that primer you put on top of the self-etch primer. So when it comes to painting bare aluminum wheels like in this case, especially ones that have difficult to reach places like the webbing on Fiero Diamond Spokes, if I used another primer over the self-etch to seal it I would have to scuff every centimeter, no thanks. By using the self-etch you are getting the adhesion AND you don't have to sand/scuff before painting because the paint will bite into the self-etch, two birds one stone. Since my car doesn't see foul weather the enamel is sealing it and protection enough. One more important piece of info... The quicker the process is done the better, because the aluminum starts to oxidize immediately after being stripped. Also, as I mentioned since the self-etch is not a sealer primer you don't want to wait weeks to paint them, that's why I primed the day after they were stripped and painted right away after the self-etch dried.

Last thought on powder-coat... I know lots of people powder-coat aluminum wheels but I would advise against it. In my line of work where I evaluate motor vehicles, one of the things I see is mechanical failure of aluminum wheels due to aftermarket power-coat or chrome process. The heating of the wheel affects its properties, can develop cracks depending on the wheels, and in worse cases the outer rim separates from the wheel, ugly stuff. I would only powder-coat steel wheels and paint aluminum wheels.

PS: Here is photo of wheel installed, I'm amazed the Dupli-Color Graphite Wheel Paint matches the Fiero GT lower body color better than the factory gray GT wheel color.

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Originally posted by Skybax:

That clear coat was like the plastic on your grandmothers couch for 36 years, preserving the lip and waiting for somebody to enjoy it someday.


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Great information. Nice job!
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I have to agree that any type of bare aluminum should have some sort of self-etching primer. When we paint aircraft, we use Alodine to protect the aluminum and give a great adhesion surface for the paint.

Painting bare aluminum is asking for trouble in the long run. Beautiful job on the wheels. I'm glad you were finally able to purchase a set.
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Report this Post05-25-2021 10:56 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SkybaxSend a Private Message to SkybaxEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Thanks, we'll see how they hold up.
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