I'm noticing a power drain on my '86 GT that caught my attention when the dome light was dimming and brightening every 15 seconds or so. I listened closely and was able to trace the sound of a switch engaging and disengaging somewhere around the radiator, toward the bottom. It sounds "Springy" when it turns off. I can't tell what it's cycling, but it happens when the key is out of the ignition. Anybody know what this could be? I'm going to look at some schematics, and drive up on some ramps this weekend, but I'd like to know if this has been encountered by anyone else.
While the single wire is still connected, you may be able to identify which motor is the problem. The knob on top may twitch a little as the relay clicks.
Originally posted by fierofool: While the single wire is still connected, you may be able to identify which motor is the problem. The knob on top may twitch a little as the relay clicks.
More likely the thermal "breaker" in the motor cycle off and on because of problems in the motor(s).
⚠️ Warning: If ignored, this can destroy the battery and other things or even start a fire. Battery below 11-10v will shorten the life if even takes a charge after drain so low. Do Not Jump the battery! use 6-10 amp dumb charger. see battery in my cave.
In the mean time, Turn On HL to raise the bulbs Then Unplug the motors and leave them Up. If motor doesn't raise them, unplug them then use the knob to raise the bulbs.
If isn't the HL motors... see battery leaches in the cave. Get a small DC AMP Clamp from amazon etc. so don't have to take apart car wiring to track a leach.
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Thank you, this was definitely the problem. Right headlight was twitching, so it’s now a winking car. What’s the recommended solution here for the headlight motor?
By the way, Ogre, too late on the battery. It was about 2Volts. I did charge it with an 8amp charger that I picked up on your advice, but it topped out at 12.06 Volts, so I’m running my smart charger in “recondition” mode to see if that helps any. Sigh.
Thank you, this was definitely the problem. Right headlight was twitching, so it’s now a winking car. What’s the recommended solution here for the headlight motor?
Rebuild the headlight motors or better still, convert to the GEN 2 headlight controller, motors, and wiring harness system from an '87 - '88 Fiero if you can find the parts. The system is much more reliable and you can buy new replacement motors.
If you decide to rebuild the existing motors you can get the parts from The Fiero Store or Rodney Dickman's. Instructions can be found in the archives. It's not hard to do. Takes about 2 hours per side if it's your first time.
"Recondition" a battery by any means likely won't work or if does expect to not last long. More so if a starting battery drains under ~ 10 volts.
Stop charging, ready volts, let battery sit unconnected for several hours or longer, read volts again. If volts drop > 0.3 likely battery has a dead cell or all cells bad. If really dead cell, often you see 1 to 3 volts drop in seconds to minutes but test after several hours too.
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Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: Rebuild the headlight motors or better still, convert to the GEN 2 headlight controller, motors, and wiring harness system from an '87 - '88 Fiero if you can find the parts. The system is much more reliable and you can buy new replacement motors.
If you decide to rebuild the existing motors you can get the parts from The Fiero Store or Rodney Dickman's. Instructions can be found in the archives. It's not hard to do. Takes about 2 hours per side if it's your first time.
Convert to Gen 2 with New motors is much better then "rebuilding." Cardone AZ and some others have New motors w/ lifetime Warranty.
Oh you can get parts to rebuild but often is harder then people think and "Nickle and dime" you to death for a system that was easy for GM to install but never good for owners causing above problem and more.
Some of us don't even fix/rebuild Gen 2 motors either for same reason. Even tho they can't drain the battery like Gen1 infamously do, fix/rebuild is harder then advertise too.
I’ve been checking junk yards, with not so much luck. However, my buddy has a 1995 firebird (which I may rob the motor from). Will those motors interchange?
...a 1995 firebird (which I may rob the motor from). Will those motors interchange?
Yes... if you follow Mike's advice.
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Originally posted by Mike in Sydney:
...better still, convert to the GEN 2 headlight controller, motors, and wiring harness system from an '87 - '88 Fiero if you can find the parts. The system is much more reliable and you can buy new replacement motors.
Originally posted by 1MontanaFiero: I’ve been checking junk yards, with not so much luck. However, my buddy has a 1995 firebird (which I may rob the motor from). Will those motors interchange?
At minimum you need the Gen2 wiring, motors, bolts that mount the motors, and control module to use firebird parts.
some versions of the module may need more parts/time to fix up down or both wires to work right.
In the mean time, Turn On HL to raise the bulbs Then Unplug the motors and leave them Up. If motor doesn't raise them, unplug them then use the knob to raise the bulbs.
I would like to drive my car in a parade today— here in Billings we have a “Burn The Point” parade. I have disconnected the one wire to the headlight motor in question, and raised it. Leaving it disconnected, can I lower the light without causing problems since that wire is disconnected? Or am I going to start the drain again?
I suppose I could drive it with the lights on… or disconnect the other motor too… any suggestions? I do have a motor and harness from an ‘87 on the way, but haven’t received it yet.
Leaving it disconnected, can I lower the light without causing problems since that wire is disconnected? Or am I going to start the drain again?
If you leave the wire disconnected, there will be no further power drain from that motor. Just wind the headlight down manually... and join the parade.
If you leave the wire disconnected, there will be no further power drain from that motor. Just wind the headlight down manually... and join the parade.
I pop the hood and momentarily reconnect to have the light assembly retract.
Been going on nearly two years at this point, and though it's slightly inconvenient it works for me.
I've got an entire assembly that I need to put back together after a rebuild.
I highly recommend changing over to the 2nd gen motors- You will need a 87-88 front lights harness, and then the two motors and the headlight motor control module (It hides inside the left fender)
I tried rebuilding my original 1985 motors but the poorly designed load switches in the first gen motors are really troublesome.
The 2nd gen motors are available new from multiple sources (Because they fit a "Poopular" car (F-birds)
A few cars have burned to the ground because of the 1st gen motors running on...
[This message has been edited by cvxjet (edited 09-02-2022).]
