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Audi 7 speed Dual Clutch Automatic by engine man
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Report this Post03-21-2023 06:47 PM Click Here to See the Profile for engine manSend a Private Message to engine manEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
A Transmission that may make it so you can do a longitudinal engine swap the Audi A4 FWD transmission it is a dual clutch automatic from 2018 A4 and just looking in salvage yard it looks like they can be had from $750 and up but not sure on how to control it yet .
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copied from Audi world S-Tronic Dual Clutch Automatic (DSG) Transmission
The S-tronic is a 7-speed dual clutch transmission, and in Audi/VW speak, it is referred to as a Direct-Shift gearbox or DSG. This is an automatic transmission that foregoes the traditional torque converter in favor for two clutch packs. It is effectively two transmissions in one case, as the first clutch is for gears 1, 3, 5 and 7, and the second clutch is for gears 2, 4 and 6. When you're in one gear, the respective clutch is engaged, the other free clutch is able to be electronically controlled to pre-select the gears surrounding it. For example, if you're in 2nd gear, the free clutch is readying 1st gear or 3rd gear for an upshift or downshift; this effectively pre-loads the transmission to make gear changes incredibly quickly.

The DSG is the fastest shifting transmission of the lot, and is generally pretty bulletproof. If you're massively increasing the horsepower of the engine, the stock clutches may experience increased wear and begin to slip, much like a regular manual transmission. Upgrade clutch packs are available for people who want to shoot for big power.

audi a4 b7 b7 tiptronic multitronic DSG dual clutch auto manual 6-speed transmission info reliability questions
Figure 4. Audi S-Tronic transmission/DSG.
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Report this Post03-25-2023 12:30 PM Click Here to See the Profile for engine manSend a Private Message to engine manEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I have found a controller for it from HTG tuning https://htg-tuning.com/
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Just need an adapter plate built and off we go right!
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This is perfect for my Aventador build! Thank you for finding it. The controller is only 1,200 euros. Looks like there are a few dual clutch transaxles for me to look at closely first, but this is going to greatly simplify the install.
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Report this Post03-28-2023 02:06 PM Click Here to See the Profile for engine manSend a Private Message to engine manEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Neils88 I am glad it helped you and hope it helps more people I know it helps me with my kit car and it is the best of both worlds
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It's a cool idea, though looks like a transmission that would require a frame stretch and potentially losing part/all of the trunk.

Adding it to my list of potential transmissions for other future builds!
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Report this Post03-29-2023 05:25 AM Click Here to See the Profile for engine manSend a Private Message to engine manEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Trinten I disagree on the frame stretch as I did my Audi V8 with out stretch and the axle centerline is moved forward it looks like 6 inches and i think a Ls is about 4 inches longer than the Audi V8 but you will need a adaptor plate of about a inch so the axle center line should end up about 1 inch forward of where mine did on my Audi build . see Audi A8 my fiero in construction zone

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I will be buying 1 of these transaxles in the next few weeks for my Manta Mirage project that will have a Ls in it also VW / Audi makes a transverse Dual clutch . unfortunately GM only offers this type of transmisson in the C8 I know Ford have it or had it in some of there cars not sure about chrysler dodge .
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internals of the Audi DSG fwd transaxle as you can see it is gears just like a manual transmission but it has 2 input shafts and 2 clutch packs
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Report this Post12-01-2024 10:11 PM Click Here to See the Profile for cvxjetSend a Private Message to cvxjetEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Just a bit of a warning; The dual-clutch transmissions shift fast and smooth- but they can weigh a LOT... the C8 trans weighs 350 lbs!

It weighs almost as much as the ENGINE...and that is why the C8 vette has a 40/60 weight distribution (idiotic)

If they would just make a version of the C8 with MANUAL transmission, they could get the overall weight down under 3500 lbs and the weight distribution to 43/57....
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Thats a lot of great info!!! anybody tried it yet? the link for the controller is not working for me. any idea what the torque or hp rating is on this? leads on getting an adapter plate?
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If they would just make a version of the C8 with MANUAL transmission...


The Impossible Dream
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Report this Post12-08-2024 05:29 AM Click Here to See the Profile for engine manSend a Private Message to engine manEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
this transmission is a DL 382 7Fand is rated for 400 nm or 295 foot lbs of torque the is a quatro version rated at 500 nm it has 1 more clutch fritction per cluttch pack and better bearings it is 110 KG or 242.5 pounds but remember that that is clutch pack and dual mass flywheel . for a transbers dual clutch VW DQ 500 handles 500 to 600 Nm of torque and is 96 kg

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Gear ratios Audi DL382
Using the example of a Audi A4 2017 with a 2.0 TSI engine:

Main 4.234
1st 3.188
2nd 2.190
3rd 1.517
4th 1.057
5th 0.738
6th 0.557
7th 0.433
Reverse 2.750
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Report this Post01-08-2025 08:27 AM Click Here to See the Profile for reinhartSend a Private Message to reinhartEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I remember reading about how CVT (conical) auto trannies were going to be the wave of the future. Are there any applications that could be moved over to the Fiero?
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The Impossible Dream



Lol, I clicked this thinking someone had swapped in a manual transmission, and then there was some 70s dude that popped up.
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Report this Post01-09-2025 06:17 PM Click Here to See the Profile for engine manSend a Private Message to engine manEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Ok the real question is can you put it in a fiero with a Ls engine and i feel you can as the axle centerline is a inch and a half behind the bellhousing surface and I went out and measurd my ls block is 20 1/2 front to back so with a 1/2 inch adaptor plate the axle center line is 22 inches from the front of the block so with the heads about 1/2 inch from the firewall you should be 1 1/2 inches out of line with the axle wheel hube and i ran my Audi V8 fiero with about 3 to 4 inches out of line no problems .

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