First Pointer: Buy the Correct Clutch Master and Slave Cylinders for Your Fiero.......(Year/Engine)
Second Tip is Rodney's Dual Seal Piston for the Slave Cylinder
You'll also need to bleed the master cylinder on the bench (fitting and hose)
Option: hand operated vacuum pump with a sealed container to bleed the brake system (way easier and you don't need a 'helper')
*Remove the master then the slave *Install the slave *Bleed the master cylinder on the bench; then install the master on the car, connect to the pedal - (mount the loop of the banjo UP) *Bleed the system at the slave, seal the fitting *Pump the clutch pedal several times, bleed the line again to get ALL the air, seal it *Test the Clutch.....
Edit: As Ogre said - ⚠️ "Ignore whatever IA post here" (Opps, I stepped in a 'pile' - My Apologize Cliff!)
------------------ Original Owner of a '88 GT and under 'Production Refurbishment'
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When removing the clutch master cylinder, it's often easier to just remove the entire hydraulic assembly - the master cylinder, the line, and the slave cylinder all at one time.
You'll need a specific tool to remove the roll pin from the Fiero's clutch pedal to get to the master cylinder. It's called a roll pin punch tool.
I could see the first point, above, being correct concerning a RWD car with a longitudinal engine. Maybe. For a Fiero? No. It's a major undertaking, and likely not even possible.
The second point? I seem to remember a cotter pin and washer holding the clutch banjo to my clutch pedal. No idea where the "roll pin" comment came from.
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As I said in the Announcement, this is all very, very, very experimental. And answers it will give can be either partly wrong, entirely wrong, or completely fabricated. That's why I need feedback so I can see if fine tuning helps, or even extra training.
Saying stuff like "All the AI crap is wrong", or saying "Ignore everything IA (sic) posts" before it has even posted anything, is not only unhelpful but even incredibly insulting to me (since I'm putting a lot of time and money into something that might be incredibly useful).
But hey, I can also just stop trying to make PFF better. Saves me time and money.
I could see the first point, above, being correct concerning a RWD car with a longitudinal engine. Maybe. For a Fiero? No. It's a major undertaking, and likely not even possible.
The second point? I seem to remember a cotter pin and washer holding the clutch banjo to my clutch pedal. No idea where the "roll pin" comment came from.
I love this forum. You are doing great service Cliff, but don't take the comments against the AI personal.
The comments are about the AI and not you. "AI" is a gimmick in any case, because they are not intelligent at all, just stochastic filters with lots of data. I like your idea of saving yourself time and money .
You are doing great service Cliff, but don't take the comments against the AI personal.
Exactly!
Cliff, I'm pretty sure I'm not the only member of the forum who had no idea what was going on with these AI posts that suddenly began to appear. It was just now that I had a look at This thread, and saw your posts describing your involvement.
Maybe you could make some announcement about this experiment so that we can better appreciate what's going on under the hood.
I hope you don't mind the image I posted in my previous post. It's just that the AI advice on the Fiero clutch hydraulics was soooo bad.
but don't take the comments against the AI personal.
Well, I do take it personal because I'm spending time and money on this and when somebody offers no help whatsoever (trying to get this thing to work) but just calls it "AI Crap" after it has only given 3 answers or so and even before it has given an answer, and actually encouraging people to ignore my tests, then that irks me to no end. To me that's like saying "ignore whatever it is Cliff is trying to do because even though I have given it no chance whatsoever, it's crap."
I hope you don't mind the image I posted in my previous post. It's just that the AI advice on the Fiero clutch hydraulics was soooo bad.
Yes,I know. That's why I'm experimenting with this. I was currently testing how good/bad his answers were without any additional training. And it was hit and miss. Sometimes it was right on the money, other times it was complete and utterly wrong. But that can still be tweaked without additional training. So feedback would be appreciated. And I don't consider "it's crap" feedback.
There has been an announcement about this for a week now.
Well geez Cliff, who the heck ever randomly checks the Announcement section? I only look in there on the rare occasion after the forum has been down to see what the problem was.
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So feedback would be appreciated.
Okay, now that I know that the PFF AI Bot is a project that you yourself are working on, I'd be glad to offer feedback. I thought it was just some sort of auto-link to an off-site AI program run by who knows who.
Well, as with every other section, when there are new messages, this lights up:
I was thinking of making it blink (for the Announcements sections only) so it's harder to miss when there is a new announcement. But I'm sure there will be someone complaining the blinking is annoying. 🙄
But seriously, there are a few people here who throw a rant every single time I introduce something new and it's getting annoying.
Well, as with every other section, when there are new messages, this lights up...
Well damn, I've only been here 24 years and I've never noticed those symbols lighting up. (... or I have, but simply forgot all about them... which is just as bad.)
There are sections of the forum I investigate every time I'm here, and some sections I seldom, if ever check. It never occurs to me to look to see if there's something indicating whether or not there are new posts. I'll have to pay closer attention from now on!
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...when somebody offers no help whatsoever (trying to get this thing to work) but just calls it "AI Crap" after it has only given 3 answers or so and even before it has given an answer, and actually encouraging people to ignore my tests, then that irks me to no end.
I just wanted to briefly touch upon this. I know whom you're referring to, and yes, I've been... disappointed a couple times myself when he's kind of trashed advice that I've given. I shrug it off though as I don't believe his comments are ever intended to be malicious. For whatever reason, he just doesn't seem to have a filter in place to prevent being ultra direct. And we also never know what's going on behind the scenes in people's lives that might affect their demeanor. I guess I'm just trying to re-emphasize what was said earlier about not taking the AI criticisms personally... especially from certain people who've been here a long time and have generally been very helpful and informative.
As I said in the Announcement, this is all very, very, very experimental. And answers it will give can be either partly wrong, entirely wrong, or completely fabricated. That's why I need feedback so I can see if fine tuning helps, or even extra training.
I've been reading all of them, just to see what it says, and some of them have actually been spot on... but some of them are kind of outlandish. What are you building your model off of? Probably obvious, but I wonder if it wouldn't be better to curate the model off of just Pennocks, and some other Fiero-specific sites? (I assume you're already doing that).
But again, half of them have been pretty spot-on. It's just a few of them are totally off... but also, some people don't like being challenged, especially by an AI... hahah.
Wow - I'm very sorry Cliff that I incredibly insulted you and it's personal; I edited my OP by removing Ogre's "warning" comment.
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Originally posted by Patrick Well geez Cliff, who the heck ever randomly checks the Announcement section? / I'm pretty sure I'm not the only member of the forum who had no idea what was going on with these AI posts that suddenly began to appear.
Ditto - I didn't get the 'memo' and you're pouring money and time on "AI Responses"
Again, I apologize for my comment against the 'new feature'.......
*Edit: Without a doubt; I'm a 'dinosaur' and I believehuman intelligence and valuable experience.
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I've (briefly) tested GPT-3.5 and GPT-4 but I've read some posts on AI forums that for these kinds of applications, davinci might be better.
The GPT models are more conversational. They'll just say stuff to get a conversation going and correct themselves as you continue talking to them. Problem here is of course that I only want it to give a single answer which (because of earlier mentioned reasons) is more often incorrect than correct.
I'm currently trying to find out how I can train it with PFF's data which should make it a lot more knowledgeable.
Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:I've (briefly) tested GPT-3.5 and GPT-4 but I've read some posts on AI forums that for these kinds of applications, davinci might be better.
The GPT models are more conversational. They'll just say stuff to get a conversation going and correct themselves as you continue talking to them. Problem here is of course that I only want it to give a single answer which (because of earlier mentioned reasons) is more often incorrect than correct.
I'm currently trying to find out how I can train it with PFF's data which should make it a lot more knowledgeable.
That would actually be pretty awesome if you could get that to work. I think it would be helpful. I did think some of the AI responses were interesting in that they brought a different perspective from outside the Fiero community. I can't remember which one it was, but it did give me a hmm.
I'm currently trying to find out how I can train it with PFF's data which should make it a lot more knowledgeable.
Many people don't think to use SEARCH (or are lazy) when they log on with a question. For some Searches the results are pages and pages of threads because the word "clutch" was used in a response. And it takes a long time to "weed through" looking for a useful response (maybe why some people won't use it too).
It would be useful if the AI could work as "a smarter search engine" limited to only looking through forum data.
For some Searches the results are pages and pages of threads because the word "clutch" was used in a response.
Selecting Subject/Usernameinstead of Entire thread as a search criteria certainly cuts down on non-relevant hits.
I find that the more words/terms I use in the Search box, the more precise are the hits... as only hits with all the words/terms used will be presented.
Selecting Subject/Usernameinstead of Entire thread as a search criteria certainly cuts down on non-relevant hits. I find that the more words/terms I use in the Search box, the more precise are the hits... as only hits with all the words/terms used will be presented.
You and I are probably the best searchers around but sometimes it is even difficult to find a thread I remember previously reading...
And I often use Google to find pictures I've posted using site:fiero.nl
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And here's the version of the thread stored on the Wayback Machine from April 23, 2002. As you can see, it's retained the missing smiley faces, but unfortunately not the missing image of the Fiero on Mars. What we need from the Wayback Machine is an earlier version of the thread before Cliff archived it. When a thread is archived, its URL changes, so what I haven't tried yet is to see if I can reformulate the URL to how it was originally (if that's even possible), and then plug that URL into the WayBack Machine.
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I only look in there on the rare occasion after the forum has been down to see what the problem was. 
(... or I have, but simply forgot all about them... which is just as bad.)
I'll have to pay closer attention from now on!
