Pennock's Fiero Forum
  Technical Discussion & Questions
  Fuel Line Fitting, How it works...

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Email This Page to Someone! | Printable Version


next newest topic | next oldest topic
Fuel Line Fitting, How it works... by theogre
Started on: 09-05-2023 02:09 PM
Replies: 3 (224 views)
Last post by: theogre on 09-05-2023 06:55 PM
theogre
Member
Posts: 32520
From: USA
Registered: Mar 99


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 572
Rate this member

Report this Post09-05-2023 02:09 PM Click Here to See the Profile for theogreClick Here to visit theogre's HomePageSend a Private Message to theogreEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I have time to quickly make a "cut away view" using MS Paint & other programs.
This is if you cut a connector long ways to see them as installed on a car.



Blue is the "nut" on the gas filter etc.
Yellowish is "Captive Nut" on the metal line.
Just imagine the threads where Blue and Yellow actually hits each other.

The "Flare" on the Gray line Does Not Seal the joint like most other Flare Joint for Brake lines & other Plumbing.
All loads there is clamping force on the Gray Metal Line & to stop vibration hitting pulling loads like when rubber sections is pulled from engine torque.

Only the Viton O-ring seal the joint when slightly compress when end on line slips into the smooth hole walls. (& why I drawn the O-ring as oval shape.) The Nut(s) Do Not put any other pressure on that seal.

If you have damage in the Blue nut &or on the Gray Line then the O-ring can Fail to Seal and Nothing you can do to seal again. Worse Teflon Tape and others Fail & parts of them plugs Fuel Regulator etc.
If you're not careful then often Damage the O-ring hitting the treads etc & won't seal even for new rings.

Note that Viton O-rings are often Tan to Orange or other Colors including Black. Do Not use "Standard" Black O-rings to replace them or expect to leak & very soon since most areas gas has Ethanol.

Can I Reused the O-rings?
⚠️ Should Not but most will try because often see the "ripoff" price by Dorman and other to get new ones. (PN 800-013. 4 in 2 sizes for $5? Most think No and won't look elsewhere.)
In Low Pressure Systems like Duke TBI using 9-13psi... if the used O-ring doesn't leak now is likely "ok" and never leak.
Pump side of High Pressure systems is more likely to leak w/ used O-ring.

Return Lines have near Zero pressure & easy to seal w/ used O-ring.

Notes:
● Many Viton "Kits" from HF etc may not have the sizes GM uses. Check careful & fast before Return Window Closes @ HF Amacon etc. May not be able to return this w/ some vendors.
● Also TBI & Carb "Rebuild" kits for GM have 2 Viton O-rings. Even if you don't use them, don't lose them either.
● Dorman etc makes replacement lines w/ this end setup. www.dormanproducts.com 55180, 800-170, 800-156 and others

⚠️ Ignore whatever IA post here.

------------------
Dr. Ian Malcolm: Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.
(Jurassic Park)


The Ogre's Fiero Cave

IP: Logged
PFF
System Bot
Cliff Pennock
Administrator
Posts: 11804
From: Zandvoort, The Netherlands
Registered: Jan 99


Feedback score: (2)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 699
Rate this member

Report this Post09-05-2023 03:48 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Cliff PennockClick Here to visit Cliff Pennock's HomePageSend a Private Message to Cliff PennockEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by theogre:

⚠️ Ignore whatever IA post here.



Thank you for showing your appreciation for the work I try to do here.
IP: Logged
Mickey_Moose
Member
Posts: 7545
From: Edmonton, AB, Canada
Registered: May 2001


Feedback score: (3)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 144
Rate this member

Report this Post09-05-2023 04:27 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Mickey_MooseClick Here to visit Mickey_Moose's HomePageSend a Private Message to Mickey_MooseEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
If you know the size, you can source the o-rings from many other sources:

https://www.mcmaster.com/ is just one. You may even have a o-ring dealer near you - the dealer can also measure the o-ring for you.

I get mine from: https://www.hitechseals.com...1Aqw7fxoC3_MQAvD_BwE

Just be sure you get them in Viton rubber.
IP: Logged
theogre
Member
Posts: 32520
From: USA
Registered: Mar 99


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 572
Rate this member

Report this Post09-05-2023 06:55 PM Click Here to See the Profile for theogreClick Here to visit theogre's HomePageSend a Private Message to theogreEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by Mickey_Moose:
If you know the size, you can source the o-rings from many other sources:

https://www.mcmaster.com/ is just one. You may even have a o-ring dealer near you - the dealer can also measure the o-ring for you.

I get mine from: https://www.hitechseals.com...1Aqw7fxoC3_MQAvD_BwE

Just be sure you get them in Viton rubber.
Yes can get them from other sources & often cheaper then Dorman HELP! & related sold @ AZ etc.
But most DIY and "Pro's" don't look for different reasons. Even True "Pro" shops don't search & only pass along the High Price & add some more $ to X parts.

[This message has been edited by theogre (edited 09-05-2023).]

IP: Logged

next newest topic | next oldest topic

All times are ET (US)

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Hop to:

Contact Us | Back To Main Page

Advertizing on PFF | Fiero Parts Vendors
PFF Merchandise | Fiero Gallery
Real-Time Chat | Fiero Related Auctions on eBay



Copyright (c) 1999, C. Pennock