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Clutch problems by Cailibird
Started on: 08-28-2024 06:20 PM
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Report this Post08-28-2024 06:20 PM Click Here to See the Profile for CailibirdSend a Private Message to CailibirdEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Hello everyone. I have a 1988 5 speed manual 4cyl fiero. Standard notchback.

So my problem is that I can't shift gears while the car is running.

I have bled the clutch, there is NO AIR. I know because I took two days to make sure there wasn't. Bled it over 30 times and finally got it to bleed. The pedal is very nice and solid.

I looked to see if the transmission oil has drained, but no. I replaced the transmission fluid about 3 months ago.

Why is that I still can't shift while the car is running. But I can shift smoothly when the car is off.

Keep in mind, the car drove completely fine, no problems shifting at all, last week. But then i went to drive one day and this is what my car has done

I seriously need help with this. Please and thank you
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Report this Post08-28-2024 06:27 PM Click Here to See the Profile for CailibirdSend a Private Message to CailibirdEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I should add.
All the fluids are clean and full.
And this week my car just decided it wanted to be real finicky with its shifting. It doesn't shift when at a stop unless I turn the car off, put it in gear and then go.

But as soon as I am going. It shifts buttery and smoothly. But when u start slowing down. And stop. It won't shift easily. And then it won't shift
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Originally posted by Cailibird:

I should add.
All the fluids are clean and full.
And this week my car just decided it wanted to be real finicky with its shifting. It doesn't shift when at a stop unless I turn the car off, put it in gear and then go.

But as soon as I am going. It shifts buttery and smoothly. But when u start slowing down. And stop. It won't shift easily. And then it won't shift

huh. you sure that clutch is fully disengaging? also is it just first gear with this issue?
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Report this Post08-28-2024 11:03 PM Click Here to See the Profile for CailibirdSend a Private Message to CailibirdEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by cartercarbaficionado:

huh. you sure that clutch is fully disengaging? also is it just first gear with this issue?


No it isn't.
And technically it's every gear as I slow down. When I slow down. It makes it harder to shift
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Report this Post08-29-2024 05:50 AM Click Here to See the Profile for cartercarbaficionadoSend a Private Message to cartercarbaficionadoEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Cailibird:


No it isn't.
And technically it's every gear as I slow down. When I slow down. It makes it harder to shift

huh. could you take a few pictures of the clutch rod when the pedal is pressed and when it's not please? I'm suspicious of your hydraulics
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Report this Post08-29-2024 10:42 AM Click Here to See the Profile for sleek fieroSend a Private Message to sleek fieroEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I bet your pedal is bent and not travelling full distance. Get a helper to depress pedal while you measure travel of the slave rod to make sure it is moving the release arm the correct amount to release the disk. this is a common problem and somewhere here is multiple threads dealing with this issue. sleek
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Report this Post08-31-2024 01:46 PM Click Here to See the Profile for CailibirdSend a Private Message to CailibirdEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
This is not pressed
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This is pressed

It doesn't seem to have moved. What's up with that?
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Report this Post08-31-2024 03:14 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PatrickSend a Private Message to PatrickEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

Does your clutch pedal sit an inch above your brake pedal while at rest? If not...

 
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this is a common problem and somewhere here is multiple threads dealing with this issue.

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I would like to say so. But I did look at it. Its definitely not straight. I'm gonna order a new one and whenever that comes in I'll update everyone
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Originally posted by Cailibird:

Its definitely not straight.


What part of it? A brand new pedal is not "straight". It has a twist to it, which is normal. It's the bracket that the banjo connects to that you don't want bent.

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Report this Post09-01-2024 03:37 AM Click Here to See the Profile for jelly2m8Send a Private Message to jelly2m8Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
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Does your clutch pedal sit an inch above your brake pedal while at rest? If not...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by sleek fiero:

this is a common problem and somewhere here is multiple threads dealing with this issue.

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Gonna Pile on, This^ and Sleek... open the driver door, look at the pedals, the clutch pedal should be noticeably higher than the brake pedal.......Fiero quirks.....
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Report this Post09-01-2024 07:12 AM Click Here to See the Profile for longjonsilverClick Here to visit longjonsilver's HomePageSend a Private Message to longjonsilverEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Don't dispair. We've all - those that had manual trans - had these problems. There ARE solutions. Its hard to tell from your pics, but the clutch slave has to move at least (if i remember correctly) 1 1/8". Anything less will give you problems. 3/4" doesn't cut it. It cud be a bent pedal as has been said. Rodney Dickman has a solution of an adjustable banjo for the master clutch cylinder. Get it (or do as i did and make one). This will help you have a minimum 1 1/8" travel at the slave. When ordering from Rodney, get the double seal slave piston. Thats the one two punch that will eliminate problems (assuming you really have correctly bled the clutch).

https://rodneydickman.com/p...o.php?products_id=56

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Report this Post09-01-2024 09:19 AM Click Here to See the Profile for LarryinkcSend a Private Message to LarryinkcEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
V8 Archie's clutch info and bleed technique


http://www.v8archie.com/v8Archie/ToC6.htm
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Alright. Thank you for all your replies. Based off when I first got it. I do remember the clutch did feel a lot higher, but lately it doesn't feel this way.

I won't be able to see the car until Wednesday. But I'll get better pictures of everything then. And I'll try bleeding the clutch again as well.

I'll update then
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Report this Post09-06-2024 06:46 PM Click Here to See the Profile for CailibirdSend a Private Message to CailibirdEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I replaced that clutch pedal. I bled the clutch again. And the problem still hasn't been fixed. But the slave cylinder is doing the proper travel distance now.

What else could be the problem? I might get a new master cylinder.

What else could be the problem?
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Reason why I'm getting a new master cylinder. When I press the clutch. I see this is leaking

Surely this could be why, no?

[This message has been edited by Cailibird (edited 09-06-2024).]

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Bingo!
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Report this Post10-05-2024 08:25 PM Click Here to See the Profile for CailibirdSend a Private Message to CailibirdEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Man it sure has been a while since I updated.

Replaced the master cylinder, bled the system, the clutch pedal is nice and hard now.

But the problem still remains. She just doesn't want to shift still. What could this be. Do I need to buy a clutch kit?
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Report this Post10-05-2024 10:26 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PatrickSend a Private Message to PatrickEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

Back to square one... how far is the slave now moving?
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Report this Post10-06-2024 11:07 PM Click Here to See the Profile for CailibirdSend a Private Message to CailibirdEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
It looks like its traveling the full distance but I could be wrong.

I didn't replace the slave cylinder so I'm just gonna replace that and we'll see from there
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Report this Post10-07-2024 02:13 AM Click Here to See the Profile for PatrickSend a Private Message to PatrickEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Cailibird:

It looks like its traveling the full distance but I could be wrong.


Regarding slave travel, 1-1/8" looks an awful lot like 1"... but it makes all the difference in the world as far as clutch disengagement goes.

 
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I didn't replace the slave cylinder so I'm just gonna replace that and we'll see from there


Don't waste your money buying a crap single seal slave. Rodney is sold out of his dual seal slaves, but his Isuzu slave rebuilding kit is what you want.
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