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Performance chip by chambe
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Report this Post04-17-2025 08:55 PM Click Here to See the Profile for chambeSend a Private Message to chambeEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Purchased a 1987 Fiero GT. I think it has a performance chip. Does anybody know the location of where it might be installed? I want to remove it.
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Originally posted by chambe:

Purchased a 1987 Fiero GT. I think it has a performance chip. Does anybody know the location of where it might be installed? I want to remove it.

you would need the stock chip. plus why?
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Report this Post04-17-2025 09:52 PM Click Here to See the Profile for chambeSend a Private Message to chambeEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I don't know anything about the chip or its whereabouts. I purchased the vehicle from prior owner who is dead. My mechanic thinks the chip is affecting performance.
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Remove the two screws and small cover from the ECM. There you can pull the old eprom chip out ( gently) and plug in a new one that came from Fiero of the same model year with the same engine and transmission. All the so called performance chips for Fieros did was to increase the values on the acceleration enrichment table. They did nothing but decrease gas mileage. This was proven many years ago. The only thing that did increase horsepower on a stock 2.8L engine was porting of the exhaust manifolds.

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AND the computer or ECM {Engine Control Module} is in the center armrest console....


1987 Fiero GT V6 6cyl Stock Chip
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P205/60R15 or P215/60R15 Tires
Federal {APN0154} / California {APP0158}

Auto: Federal {FBA1819} / California {AATC4620}

https://gafieroclub.org/ECMgood/fieroprom.html

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Report this Post04-18-2025 06:17 AM Click Here to See the Profile for chambeSend a Private Message to chambeEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Thanks for the information. I am going to remove the chip if I discover it has one. You are very helpful. Appreciate it.
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Originally posted by chambe:

Thanks for the information. I am going to remove the chip if I discover it has one. You are very helpful. Appreciate it.


Remember that this chip is what runs the car, if you remove it, you must reinstall the factory chip, for the same year/engine/transmission.
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If it does have a performance chip installed, it will affect performance - it will not run as well as it would with the stock chip.

Performance chips primarily hurt fuel mileage and hinder performance in the Fiero.

GM did an amazing job with the stock chip in our cars.

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Report this Post04-19-2025 03:04 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Dennis LaGruaSend a Private Message to Dennis LaGruaEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
The Fiero Store still stocks and sells the Hypertech Street Runner and Hypermaster "performance" Chips $119.95-$137.95 . Joe's comment is correct about the stock GM Chip.

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The HyperTech chip isn't so bad. I had one, and honestly I don't think it really did much. But I had the ThermoMaster chip. It was designed to allow you to use the 160 degree thermostat with proper fuel mappping changes. It also (supposedly) optimized fuel mapping slightly in the mid-rpm. If you do have an aftermarket chip, I'd probably not be too concerned. In the Fiero, I don't think it really improves much at all (at least it was unnoticable to me). It does raise the rev-limiter as well (for what it's worth).

If you're having issues... I actually kind of doubt it's any kind of aftermarket chip. But like others have said... you can't just remove it unless you have something to put back in its place (like the factory one).

What are your symptoms/issues again?
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Report this Post04-19-2025 11:34 AM Click Here to See the Profile for chambeSend a Private Message to chambeEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Car was idling real high (2000) and when I take off it would stumble. That required me to slowly push in the clutch and accelerate to effectuate takeoff. After driving it would act normal. The car is in the shop and my mechanic replaced the MAP and he said it now idles around 975-1200. He checked all the vacuum lines, and they are good. As soon as he puts the plenum back on, he is going to check drivability. Can't be the clutch as the clutch, slave, flywheel have all been replaced approximately 2 years ago and I drive the car infrequently.
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You'll probably need the stock chip.
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Originally posted by olejoedad:

If it does have a performance chip installed, it will affect performance - it will not run as well as it would with the stock chip.

Performance chips primarily hurt fuel mileage and hinder performance in the Fiero.

GM did an amazing job with the stock chip in our cars.



The chips I am familiar with remap the car (spark advance etc.) for 91 octane fuel.

I have a Dinan chip in my 1987 BMW 325i. It caused a small, but perceptible, increase in power.

I am surprised that the Fiero chips don't do this.

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The chips I am familiar with remap the car (spark advance etc.) for 91 octane fuel.

I have a Dinan chip in my 1987 BMW 325i. It caused a small, but perceptible, increase in power.

I am surprised that the Fiero chips don't do this.


When GM developed the stock ECM program they did everything possible to squeeze out 140 HP which at that time was the highest output for the 60* 2.8L V6 engine. Going back to the early years of Fieros, there was a racer by the name of Herb Adams ( a former GM engineer) who did many dyno runs testing various changes to the program. None produced any additional horsepower. The only mod tested that did produce extra power was the porting of the exhaust manifolds and that added a significant 7 horsepower.
Herb also wrote some great articles on improving handling and many can still be found online..
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When my 85 GT still was running 2.8 I installed the stage 2 Hyperteck chip,160 degree thermostat and lowered fan switch temp. I installed 19 lb Accell injectors. this was a fresh overhaul with flat top psitons and balanced rotating assembly. The package was noticeably quicker than when it was stock. I never dynoed that engine but it was very pleasing to drive. It was a sunny day only car never daily driven but it always started well , idled well and was well behaved in city traffic. I cannot say that for my new version of the car. Not pleasant in city traffic but awesome fun on open road. I would not hesitate to run the stock ecm with the same chip as it was flawless in my GT.
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Originally posted by Dennis LaGrua:

When GM developed the stock ECM program they did everything possible to squeeze out 140 HP which at that time was the highest output for the 60* 2.8L V6 engine. Going back to the early years of Fieros, there was a racer by the name of Herb Adams ( a former GM engineer) who did many dyno runs testing various changes to the program. None produced any additional horsepower. The only mod tested that did produce extra power was the porting of the exhaust manifolds and that added a significant 7 horsepower.
Herb also wrote some great articles on improving handling and many can still be found online..


Excerpts from the Herb Adams article on engine performance here:
https://www.fierofocus.com/...0-%20Lee%20Brown.htm

Another portion on Fiero handling here:
https://www.pontiacperforma...ams_ALL-FIRED-UP.pdf

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I tried a Hypertech 'power' chip and found very little difference, so I agree with the guys who said that the factory did a good job and don't bother using one, but having said that it probably doesn't do much but maybe use a tad more gas, so you may want to leave it alone.

When I built a stroker engine and added 10 psi of turbo boost I had a completely custom chip that worked really well, but on a stock engine it would be money wasted.
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