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FieroGT stretch Concept by Amida
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Report this Post04-04-2010 10:39 AM Click Here to See the Profile for AmidaSend a Private Message to AmidaEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
This weekend I pulled the getrag out by the 'tilt the cradle method'...what a PITA that was. Better to just drop the whole cradle next time.

This is how I found my clutch after removal, anyone see some thing strange in these photos? Symptom was: Pedal fell to the floor with clanking sounds coming from the engine compartment.




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looks like a few amputations..lol ...clutch didn't owe money to anyone did it?
any damage to the motor?
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Originally posted by ace5514:

looks like a few amputations..lol ...clutch didn't owe money to anyone did it?
any damage to the motor?
al


Yes, 5 fingers missing, and the thrust bearing actually spun out of the fork...makes me wonder if the fork was spread open. What doesn't make sense is how the thrust bearing can wear down the fingers so much....as if it was riding the bearing at all times.

Exhaust crossover bolts snapped off & now stuck in the manifolds, discovered a huge crack in front manifold, & discovered a floppy waterpump pully.

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bearing could have seized, fork could have bent and fingers may have been broken by anyone of those ( i still think the mob is involved..lol). either way all need to be replaced also don't forget the pilot bearing/bushing it may have taken a beating during all that!
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don't forget the pilot bearing/bushing it may have taken a beating during all that!


There is no pilot bearing/bushing. For some reason the v6 doesn't use one.
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i thought all motors had a bearing or bushing in the crank shaft. but then i never did a clutch on any gm v6 let alone a fiero.
i guess the only thing to do is replace all that you can...why take a chance.
good luck!
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Received clutch parts from the Fierostore. I remember now why I never became a mechanic...it's greasy, grimey, nucklebusting, backbreaking work. Nothing like maneuvering a 100lbs. tranny into position while sitting on your ass.





New alternator, waterpump, hoses & belts from the Fierostore. Might as well do it all at once because I'm not doing this again! I couldn't believe how floppy the old water pump was.

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It's no wonder the exhaust manifold cracked....failed tranny mounts. Anyone doing a clutch job who still has original 22-26 y.o. mounts should get them replaced.

This was alot of work to just be able to move the car around in the driveway especially when an engine swap is due around the corner. But, maybe when I get the bodywork finished I'll have a chance to take it around to some local shows before the end of the year.

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It's alive! After two years in a coma...ready for a makeover.



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Nice work Amida. How bout some outdoor shots of those flares/rockers?
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Originally posted by Bridgetown:

Nice work Amida. How bout some outdoor shots of those flares/rockers?


No brakes yet. Waiting for debut of new affordable '88 brake upgrade.

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Happen to be waiting on the held Ferrari upgrade? Would look pretty sweet with all the extensive work
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Can i just say I stumbled upon this thread for the first time today and it is almost exactly what i've been wanting to do to my formula... I can't tell you how many times that has happened on this forum with other ideas. Very nice work though, it is something I aspire to be able to do someday!

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Can i just say I stumbled upon this thread for the first time today and it is almost exactly what i've been wanting to do to my formula... I can't tell you how many times that has happened on this forum with other ideas. Very nice work though, it is something I aspire to be able to do someday!



Maybe I'll have a widetrack body package for you someday. When the prototype is completed I may tour around to some shows & gatherings. Thanks.
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The new '88 rotor upgrade kit arrived from Erik at HTmotorsports ( Westshorefabricators.com ). They are 12" Vette drilled for 5x100, with pressed in rings & adapters for stock '88 calipers.



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rob,
i thought your car wasn't an 88
is that kit for the 84 to 87 car with 88 calipers?
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rob,
i thought your car wasn't an 88
is that kit for the 84 to 87 car with 88 calipers?
al


Erik just devloped a kit to use 88 calipers on the 84 - 87 fieros with anything from stock 88 roters to 13" ones.
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rob,
i thought your car wasn't an 88
is that kit for the 84 to 87 car with 88 calipers?
al


Al, I have an '88
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my bad rob..don't know why i thought it wasn't.
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They don't have that kit on the website yet, would you mind sharing the price of the brake kit, or PM me?


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Originally posted by aaronkoch:

They don't have that kit on the website yet, would you mind sharing the price of the brake kit, or PM me?



Contact Erik at : ERIK@WESTSHOREFABRICATORS.COM

The kit comes with rotors, rings, brackets & hardware.


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Brakes look great Amida, 12 inch will fill those wheels nicely !
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Brakes look great Amida, 12 inch will fill those wheels nicely !


Yes the stock rotors were just too small looking with 18s. I've got Held 2" drop spindles going in which shouldn't have any caliper issues during install according to Erik at HT.

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Blkcofy did a nice job on his ride. Nice color combo. His post was buried in an engine tech thread.






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is that what you are going for? I like to see your flare kit on a GT
might have another buyer muahahha
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is that what you are going for? I like to see your flare kit on a GT
might have another buyer muahahha


Ya very close...a track racer look. It's going to be pretty low, so I'll have to add a front lift so that I can get it on a trailer.

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i guess i can throw away my mecham scoops idea. might have to buy this kit. looks good, but to be sure i need a real pic of it from a distance or a photoshop render. Just to be sure
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Any updates on your kit?

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Check out my build!
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Am I allowed to BUMP?
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Originally posted by Amida:


No brakes yet. Waiting for debut of new affordable '88 brake upgrade.



Hopefully we can talk Fieroaddiction into making his 13" Wilwood brake upgrade or anybody else into making something similar one of these days.

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Any progress? Bump
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Hi Rob,

I am friends with the duck. Any news on the 512 nose?

Thanks,

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Ya very close...a track racer look. It's going to be pretty low, so I'll have to add a front lift so that I can get it on a trailer.



http://www.tiltahitch.com/

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Amida, you can showcase your products next weekend at the Northwest Fiero Fest, in Richland.

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yeah... what ^^^he^^^ said..??

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Rob,
still no build thread, but i wanted to show your nose with the mad arch wide body. almost ready to start bonding the panels.
BTW I love this nose!!!!





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Funny...I'm not ready for rug rats.


You're looking at wrong... They're Ranch Hands... Now are ya ready? lol
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Rob,
still no build thread, but i wanted to show your nose with the mad arch wide body. almost ready to start bonding the panels.
BTW I love this nose!!!!
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Looks good Al.
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Test fitting begins on latest fi355 interior upholstered in Mr.Mikes grey vinyl for stock Fiero. Hvac controller by Riceburner98.




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