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SPY PICS!....first secrets of the GTR exposed! by Fie Ro
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Report this Post08-20-2003 06:58 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Fie RoSend a Private Message to Fie RoEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Here are pictures of the roofscoop I made myself. It is semifunctional: it lets air in and it lets air out!
I made a spoilerlike shape at the rear and an opening to let the air out (+10HP
This one fits fiero's with a sunroof, it will be between the windshield at the sunroof. I am going to smooth it in with the roofsection. The front edge of the scoop has the same curve as the edge of thye windshield...

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found another related picture:

1st pair is my backup set
second pair: the modified ones which are on my car for years now. (Kolja see I did your mod! )
third pair: the Honda prelude altezza's. Got them prewired now and almost ready to go in the back (finaly after 2 years!)

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another double post grrrr.

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How did you make the rear lower facia addition?
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nascar vents molded in, inline with the stock vents (and functional)!

Those aren't 'nascar vents'... those are 'NACA ducts'. They are named after the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics (the forerunner to NASA, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration).

They're also pretty cool-looking. Good work!

EDIT - oops!! Somebody already covered this, and in much better detail. Tha's what I get for not reading the rest of the thread... :: blush ::

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the rear lower facia really is the original mockup.there is a small basic woodenframe which I covered with a kind of foam (L+R side) Then I sculpted the foam to the lines of the bumper. Covered it with some layers of fiberglass (thinner layers towards the original bumper). Then houres of smoothing and sanding. It sounds quite easy but I made many changes during the process...

Well.this was made from scratch!
I have several drawings made but the final product is totally different!

I have some doubts whether these two different materials will hold up. I have made a few repairs and drive the car like normal to see if serious cracks appear. If so I will have to make a mold and a one piece product.

I finally have the right gelcoat and release wax to make a good mold. I already destroyed some small molds due to wrong materials. So It takes some confidence to try that again...

But I better do the job well now, then discovering cracks in my fresh paint later

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Those aren't 'nascar vents'... those are 'NACA ducts'. They are named after the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics (the forerunner to NASA, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration).

I am sorry . I thought "naca" was a short name for "nascar". I also know they are in the wrong direction. First this is just an designlike idea. I made them a bit functional to vent hot air out (trust me they're at a quite good position for venting). And water coming in thru the vents/ducts follows the same route as the water from the sides of the decklid.

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(finaly after 2 years!)

HAHA.. Sound's like me... FINALLY IS CLOSE!!

Looking Cool!!

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Get some pics of those taillights installed! It'll be one of a kind for sure. Excellent work.

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Car looks GREAT!
Did you make your side scoops as well?
Are they the whole panel?
I like the way they look. Any chance of any on the market?

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Bryson:The sidescoops are actual Meecham copies, I just removed the 2 fins on the intake and smoothed them... The M3 skirt is a seperate piece molded to the original Fiero -skirt. They mount to the quarterpanel just like the original.

 
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HAHA.. Sound's like me... FINALLY IS CLOSE!!

Looking Cool!!

Smoooooth: YOU should know you have to be a bit mad to start these jobs !

(Psssssjt: I talk to myself too!)

No I dont! .....Yes I do!........Well press the submit reply button then........ The what button?....Ok I will do it myself.... No nono I already see it...


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Originally posted by Fie Ro:

I am sorry . I thought "naca" was a short name for "nascar". I also know they are in the wrong direction. First this is just an designlike idea. I made them a bit functional to vent hot air out (trust me they're at a quite good position for venting). And water coming in thru the vents/ducts follows the same route as the water from the sides of the decklid.


Oh, I wasn't pickin' on your designs, not a bit. I think they're pretty cool...

I'm just a long-time NASA fan/geek, and I figured that you'd like to know the accurate term for what you were showing off.... no worries, just tryin' ta help.

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Eh Fie ro.. i think vortecfiero is right,,i think u should take all that hard work ,blood,sweat in to it and trash it...no no sorry i just think vortecfiero should find something better to crap about,,SINCE THIS GUY HAS DONE NOTHING TO MAKE THIS FORUM ABETTER PLACE..eh tough guy where is ur car..lets see this rust bucket???ik hou van de auto

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like i said where is ur pic of the car..i dont care of what engine u hav in ur car,,that is not the point here,,i want to see ur body(like rusted out hood,doors,roof)u can post all the pics of ur engine all u want..i want to ur car body,,
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i want to see ur body(like rusted out hood,doors,roof) i want to ur car body,,


Plastic car's don't rust...
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i really can respect the work that was done here especialy the hood vent, but i thought it might be of interest to know the truth,,,,

its really nice to shift into 5th at 200kph
and watch the looks on other drivers faces

im into stealth mode, a sleeper, it keeps the cops off my back and i dont have to waste my time with wannbe ricers

performance is truth, pretty is candy coating, a finish, a way to tie form and function. With no function it is art. There is nothing funnier than a pretty car that has does not have a balance of performance as well (but this was not my point in my earlier post)

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In this thread I am showing only what I am doing to the body to give people some ideas, Like I saw mods from other people here and I got my ideas.

This is not about performance, trust me I have plans for the powerplant next year
(not talking about the interior yet pfff there goes my sparetime!)

But first I focused at the appearance of the car, maybe it's just because it is my job to (try to) make things look good (and still not satisfied)

Driving these cars for about 6 years I learned a lot about them and for me it is now a perfect platform for a nice customized.....well I may say: sportscar

If I had a Ferrari I wouldn't dare to modify it myself...but this Fiero is really MY CAR!

Within a week I should have the pictures of the new exhaust parts and tips, pictures of the rear clip (for the altezza's) and the mockup of the nose.... slowly everything is coming together

edit: nothing really rusts on my Fiero, except the crappy exhaust they (hmmm) put on my fiero. The left side tips actually fell off during driving! Thats why I am changing some of these parts. They are clamped in stead of welded so I can use them for...another engine?.... as well.

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OMG...........EXHAUST THRU THE FACIA?????

I'D HAVE TO CALL THE INSURANCE COMPANY B E F O R E I EVEN CRANKED IT UP!!!!!

TALK ABOUT AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.....TO ME.........LOL..........

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GTDude: You should stay away from EVERY Fiero

Now give the matches back to mama

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Very nice work, I just finished a very modest first project, a vented hood, but yours looks great.

BTW it looks great with no wing, I hope you are planning to leave it that way.

Ira

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GTDude: You should stay away from EVERY Fiero

Now give the matches back to mama


Phil,(GTDude), Your place in Fiero history is assurred. You have attained global name recognition, & ya just got a trans-Atlantic whuppin!!

Fie Ro-Clean, flowing, functional lines. It looks great. I'm so envious-I can't fiberglas 2 sticks together.

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BTW it looks great with no wing, I hope you are planning to leave it that way.

Ira

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Yes, there will be no wing.I think a Fiero looks better without it. And now I can show off the rear vents and scoop . However if you see a wingless fiero next to a "winged" fiero it looks like someting is missing

IF I would want to put on a wing, it is too late, already sold the wing

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Originally posted by Fie Ro:

In this thread I am showing only what I am doing to the body to give people some ideas, Like I saw mods from other people here and I got my ideas.

This is not about performance, trust me I have plans for the powerplant next year
(not talking about the interior yet pfff there goes my sparetime!)

But first I focused at the appearance of the car, maybe it's just because it is my job to (try to) make things look good (and still not satisfied)

Driving these cars for about 6 years I learned a lot about them and for me it is now a perfect platform for a nice customized.....well I may say: sportscar

If I had a Ferrari I wouldn't dare to modify it myself...but this Fiero is really MY CAR!

Within a week I should have the pictures of the new exhaust parts and tips, pictures of the rear clip (for the altezza's) and the mockup of the nose.... slowly everything is coming together

edit: nothing really rusts on my Fiero, except the crappy exhaust they (hmmm) put on my fiero. The left side tips actually fell off during driving! Thats why I am changing some of these parts. They are clamped in stead of welded so I can use them for...another engine?.... as well.

I figured you would also up the performance
which is why i posted this after my tirade

 
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This is one of the new tips. I couldn't find a (good size) Y pipe so I had to make them myself with a bit of help

this is a GTR logo which I will paint and put in my trunk cover which I already made (pics when finished)

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Some quick snaps of the interior (car is really dirty inside and outside). It is not quite stock anymore but sooner or later I will ditch this dash



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Watch out for those Diamond tread floor pans. Especially if you run NOS!

Ok For real though Like the tip that you mad. Looks good.

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Wow! That's very nice body work. You may win the "most scoope" award

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here is another shot of the hoodvents

and here's a first pic of the rough mockup for the front!
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bump! That's some awesome work!
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Thats a cool looking fascia, deifinatly different. Where's it from, or did you mold the whole thing yourself from scratch? Also, can we have some pics of the tail light progress? I haven't seen any other tail lights on a fiero except the conversion kits and someone's supra lights.

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Originally posted by Fie Ro:

found another related picture:

1st pair is my backup set
second pair: the modified ones which are on my car for years now. (Kolja see I did your mod! )
third pair: the Honda prelude altezza's. Got them prewired now and almost ready to go in the back (finaly after 2 years!)

Have you got the altezza's installed yet? would love to see those in there with some info on how you got them to fit looks like it would be too hard.

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Thats a cool looking fascia, deifinatly different. Where's it from, or did you mold the whole thing yourself from scratch? Also, can we have some pics of the tail light progress? I haven't seen any other tail lights on a fiero except the conversion kits and someone's supra lights.

I have been looking for a nice bumper to start with....I found this Hondabumper (sorry) at a scrapyard. Also got a coupe bumper (which I wanted to modify to start with) but plans change many times

The idea was to use the mounting points and upper side of the the coupe-nose to have a good fit to a Fiero and use the Honda bumper as a basis for the final shape. Both bumpers are cut into pieces! This will be a shorter nose than stock, however I had to lenghten the honda bumper with 6 cm's....I wanted an agressive look and an extra intake...a bit like aston martin or jaguar and I will have some sleek lights in it (honda prelude white cristal lights)....

A BIG Mouth version would also be possible when you remove the middle bumper part! But first I'll stick with this setup...

Tomorrow I should get a new bunch of photo's, will scan and post them asap.

If all is finished I might start a thread about the building process....There's a lot I learned that other people might benefit from (I hope)

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Report this Post09-03-2003 09:17 PM Click Here to See the Profile for doublec4Send a Private Message to doublec4Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
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...I found this Hondabumper (sorry)

... If all is finished I might start a thread about the building process....There's a lot I learned that other people might benefit from (I hope)

No need to be sorry, just because its off a honda isn't a bad thing. Its even better because you're going the custom route which is tougher.

Keep the forum updated on your car... or at least me. I like following your progress because its coming together really well.

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Report this Post09-05-2003 01:22 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Fie RoSend a Private Message to Fie RoEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I have got myself a digicam for this weekend and I am using PIP now for the first time (and already like it!)...picture-attack!

the altezza's in the modified rear clip.

the altezza's when hondadriver came by and liked them

another angle

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wednesday afternoon I decided to clean up the enginebay. I removed the complete Cruisecontrol assembly as I never use it. pulled out the insulation. Prepared the metal for paint (hammerite black metallic). I took out the vent brackets and the vacuum lines to paint them red. also put the GTR trunkcover in the trunk. These are the results


drove it already that evening. It still is a daily driver

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i am freakin impressed.....specially how to modified the rear fastback clip there for the lights. I think we should become business partners so you can mass produce that product, and i'll sell them here in the states, whahahhaa. Again, GREAT work...thumbs up to you

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Report this Post09-05-2003 02:34 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Fie RoSend a Private Message to Fie RoEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Front has some minor changes now and the Crystal lights came in today! They seemed soooo big to me but when I placed them on the bumper I thought/think I can make them fit in there
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Report this Post09-05-2003 02:47 PM Click Here to See the Profile for skitimeSend a Private Message to skitimeEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Impressive stuff! Thanks for sharing.

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Very impressive. What did you use to bond the two nose pieces together?


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double-click on this link to follow my interior build-up
[URL=https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/023174.html]
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/031255.html
*** UPDATED 1/24/03 ***

Aslo Check: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/023174.html

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Very impressive. What did you use to bond the two nose pieces together?

Thanks. Well this is the mockup so there's lot of foam(board) in it, fiberglass, filler, wood and filler...Did I mention filler? I will take a mold from it and then the 1-piece product. Maybe I could make more

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