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Designing a new dash need a few ideas by OH10fiero
Started on: 11-01-2002 11:37 AM
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...just a slight derail...

Finally got around to hooking up the lights in the door handle bezel - it shines a red light down onto the door handle controls (since the Fiebird switch are not backlit themselves), not as bright as I hoped for, but they are done...

The best I could get for a picture with my camera...

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A little better...

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Originally posted by F-I-E-R-O:

A little better...



Are you using the stock light in the stock hole? I don't remember them being that bright in the firebird. And they are certainly not bright in my car when I just shoved a a random light in the hole. I have the stock lights now and I haven't got around to hooking them up.
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Back to the question of what clusters would work in a Fiero. I did some research and came upon a list of Clusters I know WON'T work in a Fiero. These are all serial bus clusters and are not going to work without some serious hacking. Please avoid these unless you are a electrical genius...




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A quick question if I may.

Is the ECM from the Fiero an ablsoute must? I am doing a V8 install & do not need the ECM with my carb so I was going to eliminate it.

Will I need it for the Fierbird speedo to work?

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Originally posted by 1986GTV8:

A quick question if I may.

Is the ECM from the Fiero an ablsoute must? I am doing a V8 install & do not need the ECM with my carb so I was going to eliminate it.

Will I need it for the Fierbird speedo to work?

John


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It depends on your engine and transmission. A carbed V8 probably has a distributor? That can drive the tach. Your transmission is a Fiero transmission? If so then the Firebird speedometer is going to need a speed buffer. You don't need the ECM, since the speed buffer is in the Fiero speedometer.

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Originally posted by jscott1:
Are you using the stock light in the stock hole? I don't remember them being that bright in the firebird. And they are certainly not bright in my car when I just shoved a a random light in the hole. I have the stock lights now and I haven't got around to hooking them up.


Using the stock bulb, not very bright - had to leave the shutter open a fairly long time to get that picture...

 
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Is the ECM from the Fiero an ablsoute must? I am doing a V8 install & do not need the ECM with my carb so I was going to eliminate it.

Will I need it for the Fierbird speedo to work?

John


No, the ECM does not supply the speedo signal. ALSO note, you will have to do my tach mod as well (posted someplace earlier in this thread), the Firebird tach does not play nice with HEI distributors...

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Thanks for the ECM info. I was reaading the quote below in the middle of page 22 which made me beleive that I needed the ECM on my Chevy 350 carbed enginge with a manual 4spd. Please see below.

“It's true the Fiero VSS is a 4,000 Pulse Per Mile generator, but it is a sine wave, (or even triangular wave) that increases in amplitude with speed. At low speeds your speedometer is going to be very erratic. The buffer circuit in the Fiero Stock circuit buffers that wave into a square wave. It also has a divide by two circuits to send 2,000 PPM to the ECM and the Cruise control, (if you have it.). Without a VSS signal the Fiero ECM will set a code. I don't know about the 3.4, but I'm guessing it will as well.

So yes you can connect the VSS directly up to the Camaro/Firebird cluster but it's not going to work as well, if at all.”
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Originally posted by 1986GTV8:

Thanks for the ECM info. I was reaading the quote below in the middle of page 22 which made me beleive that I needed the ECM on my Chevy 350 carbed enginge with a manual 4spd. Please see below.

“It's true the Fiero VSS is a 4,000 Pulse Per Mile generator, but it is a sine wave, (or even triangular wave) that increases in amplitude with speed. At low speeds your speedometer is going to be very erratic. The buffer circuit in the Fiero Stock circuit buffers that wave into a square wave. It also has a divide by two circuits to send 2,000 PPM to the ECM and the Cruise control, (if you have it.). Without a VSS signal the Fiero ECM will set a code. I don't know about the 3.4, but I'm guessing it will as well.

So yes you can connect the VSS directly up to the Camaro/Firebird cluster but it's not going to work as well, if at all.”


You don't need the ECM for the tach or speedometer signal. But all of what I said is still true for the Speedometer signal. Without a speed buffer you are going to have issues driving the Firebird speedometer. The speed buffer is in the Fiero speedometer, not in the ECM.

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Originally posted by jscott1:

Back to the question of what clusters would work in a Fiero. I did some research and came upon a list of Clusters I know WON'T work in a Fiero. These are all serial bus clusters and are not going to work without some serious hacking. Please avoid these unless you are a electrical genius...



Not a genious by any means, but if someone has a new-ish (serial data driven) cluster just lying around that they can't use for anything and wants to send it to me for experimenting, I'll make an attempt at getting it functional. If it works and the circuitry can be used with other clusters, I'll do it for free and consider it "R&D". 1 only though, don't want 50 people sending clusters for free work. LOL Prefer to try the later model Corvette cluster as I'll be working on that (hopefully) for someone at some point... If I can't get it working I'll send it back un-molested. Promise.
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Thanks jscott1, I think that I grasp the concept now.

I just gut my GT cluster & then follow your detailed directions & pics.

Fantastic!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by 1986GTV8:

Thanks jscott1, I think that I grasp the concept now.

I just gut my GT cluster & then follow your detailed directions & pics.

Fantastic!!!!!!!!

John



Don't forget you will have to gut the Fiero tach as well for the HEI system...
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Darn, I must have missed that in the post.

I thought that the HEI & the Firebird V8 tach were "plug & play".

So little time, sooooo much to learn...

What did I miss re: tach mod?

THANKS!
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Originally posted by 1986GTV8:

Darn, I must have missed that in the post.

I thought that the HEI & the Firebird V8 tach were "plug & play".

So little time, sooooo much to learn...

What did I miss re: tach mod?

THANKS!


...tach mod here... https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...070315-2-077220.html
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Originally posted by mrfixit58:

Jonathan,

Once I moved the window switches to the doors, the hardest part for me was making the right side window work with two switches instead of just one. With your help, I was finally able to make it work. Did you post that diagram, yet?

Roy



Finally had a chance to make that drawing for the window switches, and adding the right side switch.

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I haven't actually tried this, so proceed at your own risk, but if you want driver's side window express down, the F Body box is real simple to add. It's mounted up under the dash near the accelerator and only requires one wire to be cut. The boxes are still available new from GM if you are not a junkyard junkie.



I've got a bunch of little black boxes laying around, I will try it someday.

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ok, so how about some of the dash pictures and some info on the mirrors?
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ok, so how about some of the dash pictures and some info on the mirrors?


More info on Orville's dash located inside the "Choptop Chronicles."


















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Madcurl >> thanks for the info - will have to check it out

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anyways, I finally got around to installing the Firebird HVAC controls into my car (no AC) so that it actually works (yay):

Thanks to Nolan (Sourmug) for his ideal on mounting the cable motors ( https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F.../HTML/071501-13.html ), his thread renewed my interest in getting this going again.

So here is a short and quick update.
My bracket with the motors and arms mounted:


mounted and all hooked up - turns out the cable that operates the vent/foot door (green end) was too long and it would bind, so I cut the cable shorter and now it works just fine:


The temp control cable had to be Mickey Moused as the Firebird control rotates vs the Fiero's slider. The Firebird's cable was too short to reach the air box, so I just mergered the 2 cables together - hey it works, beats me pulling the dash all out to mount a motor, etc.


All together - still need to find a plug that will fit the rear defrost on the panel, it works, but it is just hooked up using spade connectors till I come across an actual plug - jscott1, can you help me out with one?? Yea I know - I need to do something about the radio mount now...

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Madcurl >> thanks for the info - will have to check it out

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anyways, I finally got around to installing the Firebird HVAC controls into my car (no AC) so that it actually works (yay):


Very clever, using two actuators to work the non-A/C system. I would like to see how you made that arm that interfaces with the actuator and the cable.

I am still trying to find time to build the one actuator version. I'll take a look for the defrost connector. I can't remember off the top of my head what it looks like, but I have about three hacked up firebird harnesses laying around. I must have one somewhere.

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I would like to see how you made that arm that interfaces with the actuator and the cable.




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A "bump" to the top as I just can't stop reading this thread.

Wish that I actually had time to work on mine though.

Mind boggling what has transpired here!!

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All together - still need to find a plug that will fit the rear defrost on the panel, it works, but it is just hooked up using spade connectors till I come across an actual plug - jscott1, can you help me out with one??


I have the connector and I'll get it to you shortly.
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Jscott1: ok, thanks

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Jscott1: ok, thanks

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Wow, that sure is purdy

I meant to go to the Post today but didn't make it. Hopefully tomorrow.
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bump to bookmark. Like I really needed another project for my car! I should stop surfing PFF all day on weekends. lol...nah.
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EDIT: NM... I effectively used the search function to find out where to get a head unit mount like that. lol

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jscott I'll get a 85 MPH speedo and see what I can come up with on making a converter for you. so you can quit killing speedos.
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This is my favorite darnd thread on the fourm.
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jscott I'll get a 85 MPH speedo and see what I can come up with on making a converter for you. so you can quit killing speedos.


Anything yet?? I have a cluster or two on the chopping block. (off with their heads)


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A selfish BUMP.

Finally going to mount mine this Friday.

Then for the AC plumbing after I remove the dash.

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I'll be getting the speedo I need to look at this coming weekend. Completely forgot about this thread. Woops.
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I got some bonocell and started to make my own doorskins but I am using the Firebird handles. Pics will come after I made some more progress.

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Does anyone know if Orville ever finished his Grand Prix dash install pictured earlier in this thread?
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This thread has been active for almost SIX YEARS.

SWEET!
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Originally posted by blkcofy:

Does anyone know if Orville ever finished his Grand Prix dash install pictured earlier in this thread?


Knowing Orville, he's not only finished it, but working on his FOURTH Chop top.
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Jscott:

Are these the HVAC switches that you used?

http://www.action-electroni...m/switchesrotary.htm
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Anything yet?? I have a cluster or two on the chopping block. (off with their heads)



What ever came of this?

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