I love where this is heading and great drawings too. I'm also interested to know if and how you are planning on creating the kick and swoop on the door and wondered if the door frame could be cut down to create it.
Also John have you widened the track? as the pics look like you have or are they the standard fenders i'm looking at. I've re-read through the thread and it looks like OEM A arms are being used. Apologies for my ignorance.
I absolutely positively LUV your sketches!!! Excelents vision is found when putting yourself inside something available. To be honest, if I were able to shape a car myself someday, you rear end sketch is exactily where to start for me. The Sesto is stellar in design. You just made it even greater than that. Like anyone I have a design going in what i'd like my car to look like, on paper. The rear-end is the place I was almost shying away from, waiting for when I had to cross that bridge I guess. I wanted to keep the roof of this Fiero a notchie, so the downward sloping angel of the notchie rear bumber was something I wanted to keep. Now I am not so sure anymore. lol... Always liked the idea of a notchie with a fastback rear bumper, even though it doesn't appeal to me all that well in construction. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder all the more accurate still today.
I do have one question. A back story to this question. Over at ARI's kitcar forum Ferrari kitcars hold probably the biggest collection of people putting willing to go that route. Eventually came an extended windshield so the kit would look all the more accurate. You had to modify the a-pillar, like your doing. Only something to figure out kept coming back up. The cold-air return, and someone said they figured this out. My question is two-fold. Did you figure yours out? Is it the same as funnywheels, his name at ARI's forum or madmechanics.com, or is your design another take at making a cold-air return work for your car? If you don't want to give that away right away that is fine, can totally understand. If you do, awesome, and sloping your front end to resemble a Lambo is jaw-dropping! I began to see that aerodynamic cool factor with the Diablo. Never though did I put it together with making the front of a car smaller in appearance with the larger rear. That part too, jaw-dropping!!!
Truly magnificent....
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About the fresh air, (there's nothing to hide and no big secret) it's just on pause and we moved on. We'll have to check this guy " funnywheels" out and thanks for the tip
When we get to that point, we'll show you "what not to do"
I love where this is heading and great drawings too. I'm also interested to know if and how you are planning on creating the kick and swoop on the door and wondered if the door frame could be cut down to create it.
Also John have you widened the track? as the pics look like you have or are they the standard fenders i'm looking at. I've re-read through the thread and it looks like OEM A arms are being used. Apologies for my ignorance.
Charles
Thanks and about that "kick and swoop" ... I'll be raising window line about 1-1/2" higher at back and flowing down to front pillar, that's where its going to kick up (on pillar, not glass) to fender, it will give the same look ?
In this pic you're looking at standard fenders and door skin, the wide body parts are stripped off and waiting for the new design.
This is the Video exoticse send me that made RBS's eyes sparkle (and wanted a makeover ever since)
Thanks and about that "kick and swoop" ... I'll be raising window line about 1-1/2" higher at back and flowing down to front pillar, that's where its going to kick up (on pillar, not glass) to fender, it will give the same look ?
In this pic you're looking at standard fenders and door skin, the wide body parts are stripped off and waiting for the new design.
This is the Video exoticse send me that made RBS's eyes sparkle (and wanted a makeover ever since)
Looks like it's all in hand, Kinda like a reverse chop with with more shaping. Standard fenders... right, it did get me thinking you had gone ultra wide for a moment. Not a budget upgrade I agree! Mmm now how about removing the rest of your trunk and exiting those tail pipes just under the rear wing?.. "Elemento my dear Watson"
That is one cool looking concept in that video. I like that guys vision. Even those rear "stabilizer fins" or whatever you want to call them remind of me a fighter jet. I like them! I know you're not obviously going to be making that exact concept, but I like where yours is headed too. It was already nice before you started chopping it up again. You have a lot of talent for bringing concepts to life, and your sketches look great too. Keep it up!
Thanx for the compliment about writing, in the process of a non-fiction feature so it is hitting home.. I also gotta say thanx to you for something new... Having your PFF name on the bottom of the quarter panel is killer cool... Ferrari has been doing it for years acknowledging the company that shapes the cars body... Knew that, but still didn't tell me what else is there.... Dreamy tool added to my bag of trix, and your to blame...
Today Clynt came over and had and said the proportions are way off on the sketches
So just to make him happy I did a sketch overlay on existing photo (should be a bit closer
EDIT: Hey Exoticse, today for the first time Clynt has mentioned about tweaking his chopper nose (something more slicker )
^That is quite the transformation! Love your work, is the finished product going to be that silver on white paint scheme?
edit: VVV That looks sweet 85senotchie! My vote goes for that paint scheme! How did you know green is my favorite color? Though I would probably switch it up, and have the darker color on the bottom and the white on top...
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Looking great so far and the standard rear clip really shows the severity of the chop.
Do you think that the Mazda windshield would work with say a 2" or 3" chop? I'm over 6' and I think I would really struggle. I realise that you are going to make seats that sit on the floor to increase headroom but what are your ideas about altering the angle of the steering column so that your not driving like a chopper with ape swingers?
Looking great so far and the standard rear clip really shows the severity of the chop.
Do you think that the Mazda windshield would work with say a 2" or 3" chop? I'm over 6' and I think I would really struggle. I realise that you are going to make seats that sit on the floor to increase headroom but what are your ideas about altering the angle of the steering column so that your not driving like a chopper with ape swingers?
Had to EDIT: (for I am BOZO)
Photo below showing Mazda windshield laid on 2" chop, Mazda windshield is 2" wider at top, we had to go lower to 4" chop (more chop the wider it gets) I hope this makes more sense ?
I'm sure you can make anything work if you're a fabricator (I'm not, my buddy Clynt has all the skills and tools for that) Like I said before Mazda windshield may not be the best choice, lots to choose from (they all look nice now) ?
As for steering column, Fiero is adjustable, clicks right down on lap, if you're fat then it's going ape
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Yeah I get your point re the lower the chop the wider the windshield at the top. fortunately I live in a place where we have lots of small jap/european cars. now I need to hang out in car parks with a tape measure and avoid getting arrested. I'll post my results on here!
The lights look good. I presume that you decided to keep the stock line from the front fender to hood in the end. as opposed to your origional idea to alter the fender to meet the diagonal shut line of the cut hood (if that makes sense) what changed your mind?
Oh and mine's a none driver that's why I've not discovered the adjustable column yet
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Yeah I get your point re the lower the chop the wider the windshield at the top. fortunately I live in a place where we have lots of small jap/european cars. now I need to hang out in car parks with a tape measure and avoid getting arrested. I'll post my results on here!
The lights look good. I presume that you decided to keep the stock line from the front fender to hood in the end. as opposed to your origional idea to alter the fender to meet the diagonal shut line of the cut hood (if that makes sense) what changed your mind?
Oh and mine's a none driver that's why I've not discovered the adjustable column yet
The original front fender and hood thing, it was so much easier to use stock line
Today playing with body parts... Cutting that bump off as shown in red line
As Sir Charles would say "kick and swoop" door to fender line Red line area would be filled in
Profile showing flowing "swoop" door to fender
Very roughed in, overall view
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Ya know, I was only till just now looking at the pics you posted, and sumthin kept coming back to me, why is he using a stock sized fastback rear end? Then I saw something, That pic of the could be finished look, I saw the roof rising toward the rear end, and then I thought you were going to keep the stock look with the chopped windshield, to tell ya the truth I had a smile ear to ear, though it looks like that customization is still up in the air, if you were thinking about that, there any drawings?
I suggest you take a dremel tool or hand drill with a drum and grind a shallow channel across the two pieces to be mated together and put your glass in that ridge. It does two things for you, covers the seam nicely without building the outside surface up and provides a good structural strength once you rough and glass the rear side as well to sandwich the pieces between two layers of glass.
Putting the ridge in gives you mare flexibility in how you feather everything out as well without having to add a ton of bondo to fair it in.
Thanks Don for the tip, I was going to do that this time around without 2" (HALIBUT) bondo
I decided not to use stock pillars after all and fabricate pillars somewhat like Mangusta as you suggested earlier . So much for the Aventador and Gallardo
Also thanks for tip for cold air intake, that's on pause for now (we'll straighten that out later)
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pavo_roddy !
(and wanted a makeover ever since) 
your work is so perfect 
and said the proportions are way off on the sketches 
I did a sketch overlay on existing photo (should be a bit closer 
