Thanks for the update Archie, and thanks for painting the doors black and adding the white vinyl until we get a chance to have them upholstered. Lisa is now giving me specific details on how she wants the finale door upholstery to be . a lil more black and a lil less white, she is also paying close attention to the final G1 door panels that Amida is making ..... just shoot me. Oh well cant put a price tag on the wishes of my High School sweetheart .
LMAO....Don't feel bad Troy...it is both are faults (issue). I think we were both wanting the panels that I drew up and suggested, but he wasn't ready. It took me forever to get him to build the G1 dash itself...so I should be thrilled it only took so little time on the door panels.
You know I went another direction as well and had EVM_Rob recreate the Zimmer Quicksilver panels...which are just being finally finished up now.
Glad I have multiple Fieros...will end up one with Zimmers and a few with the new G1 door panels...I completely understand why Lisa is looking and understand the other side of the coin and why you are frustrated.
I think there is some lesson about patients all tied up into this...but I am in too much of a hurry to figure it out.
she is also paying close attention to the final G1 door panels that Amida is making ..... just shoot me.
Is there info posted on this somewhere? I have seen several mentions of these door panels but I don't remember ever seeing a sketch or anything indicating what they will look like.
Edit: BTW Troy, thanks for coming back to the forum. I've been loving being able to watch this car come together!
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Is there info posted on this somewhere? I have seen several mentions of these door panels but I don't remember ever seeing a sketch or anything indicating what they will look like.
Edit: BTW Troy, thanks for coming back to the forum. I've been loving being able to watch this car come together!
Can anyone guess why lisa loves these? Hint: I'm not sure when and if she will get these but Archie knew he couldn't send it home with the new dash and old Enterra doors.
old doors:
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I have been following this thread for a long time now and the car is looking amazing, it is going to look so unique and it is so clean it could be a factory car. Really really nice work.
Ok its time to get ready for paint!! Can someone please photo shop these pics with the bumpers, and the vents that line up with the T-tops just behind the door glass black and the mirrors white.
then can you do one of these with a white bumper and one with a black bumper both with the area around the tail lights painted black
Thanks!!
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Ok its time to get ready for paint!! Can someone please photo shop these pics with the bumpers, and the vents that line up with the T-tops just behind the door glass black and the mirrors white.
then can you do one of these with a white bumper and one with a black bumper both with the area around the tail lights painted black
If Lisa keeps the bumpers white I will have the clear 3m protective film put on them. I also like the Black around the tail lights but the boss is up in the air about it until she sees the car . Even if she says black I'll have it wrapped in black vinyl first to make sure .
A lot has been going on the last few weeks, I'll try to bring this thread up to date.
The day after Troy left, we got back to work.
We still had to open up the area under the new scoop we made for the decklid. The original Decklid had an inside & outside skin, so we had to go thru 2 different fiberglass surfaces.
At the back end of the scoop cutout, we had to close off the 2 fiberglass (inside & outside) skins. So we made a Fiberglass "U" shaped channel & glassed it between the 2 exposed layers of fiberglass.
We needed to glass in along both sides of the scoop opening.
While that was going on, Rob made the radiator ducting for behind the front grill. He made it out of ABC that was bent & cut for a perfect fit. This is a one pc. item.
It was decided that the 2nd trunk area needed a fiberglass cover over it. So Rob also made a cover for it from some flat fiberglass sheet that he made up.
Here are a couple of pictures of the finishing work on the underside of the decklid scoop opening.
More to come.
Archie
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Right after Troy left here from his last trip, it was decided that we were going to do the final paint on the body. We are not a paint shop & have never painted a Pearl paint job. The only Pearl we've done is Lisa's engine & front compartments. I have to admit that they did come out pretty good.
Originally Troy & Lisa had planned to have the car painted when they got it home. But, they'd have to make an appointment with a paint shop near them. Then, after waiting for the appointed date, they'd have to wait a month or more to get it back from paint. We would have also had to put together some instructions for the paint shop on how to take the car apart & put it back together & Troy would have to pay their labor rate for that too.
So, for a good customer & friend, we agreed to do the best we could here. While it might not be 100% perfect when we get done, we think we can get it to 95%.
So, prep begins for that part of the project.
Since we are going to paint the underside of the hood & decklid, that means that we are working on a lot of different surfaces. Going over all of the surfaces with 220 grit. getting into all pockets, like the hood louvers into all corners & lands & the long slots in the muffler cover etc.. Also in all the vent slots.... we have to sand to make them uniform & straight with good radii in the corners.
Then we inspect the surfaces for pin holes or imperfections & fill those as we find them. Then we sand those areas again with 220 G. Once we have all the pin holes eliminated, we will be priming them & then sanding the primer with 600 Grit. Filling any new pin holes we find & repeating the process as needed. Then we'll be ready to put down the paint.
On Fiberglass parts, you get pin holes that show up as you sand the surfaces. You can't help but get them....... you only hope is that you find & fill all of them.
As we surveyed the project, we find that the body consists of some 29 Fiberglass parts. Some of them will have to be painted inside & outside.
So, that amounts to plenty of work.
Continuing from where we left off, we began by preping the undersides of the decklid & hood.
Working on the outsides of the hood, decklid & muffler cover.
Filling pin holes then sanding again.
Then we did the proper primer on the 1st batch of parts.
More to come...
Archie
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You guys are planning on using a downdraft paint booth to spray the top coats, right? What kind of spray equipment do you have access to? Sata or equivalent?
You guys are planning on using a downdraft paint booth to spray the top coats, right? What kind of spray equipment do you have access to? Sata or equivalent?
You know, when I was writting the above posts today, I considered, putting in a line that I Don't care to answer a bunch of questions like those you have above. I didn't want to put that line in because I didn't want to be rude.
I'm not really interesting in having this thread turn into a bashing session on garage vs booth paint jobs.
WE don't like (or want) to do paint jobs here & the only reason we are doing this one is out of the direct request of a dear friend & customer. My customer & his boss know exactly what they're getting & how it's going to be done.
So, the answers to your questions are No, I don't know & I don't know right now.
Thanks
Archie
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Hey Archie. Now that you have one Enterra under your belt. Would I be in Ferrari land if I wanted you to do mine? I wouldn't need alot of the repairs as that car from Washington. Basically I would be happy with a few slight modifications. Mine is basically in good shape. A few rust areas but nothing as bad as what your finishing up. Now that you have your head wrapped around it do you have a ballpark for the body work? Ireally like the interior. It grows on you . I'm thinking green car with gold pearl overlay with my black interior. Call me sometine soon.
Hey Archie. Now that you have one Enterra under your belt. Would I be in Ferrari land if I wanted you to do mine? I wouldn't need alot of the repairs as that car from Washington. Basically I would be happy with a few slight modifications. Mine is basically in good shape. A few rust areas but nothing as bad as what your finishing up. Now that you have your head wrapped around it do you have a ballpark for the body work? Ireally like the interior. It grows on you . I'm thinking green car with gold pearl overlay with my black interior. Call me sometine soon.
You know, when I was writting the above posts today, I considered, putting in a line that I Don't care to answer a bunch of questions like those you have above. I didn't want to put that line in because I didn't want to be rude.
I'm not really interesting in having this thread turn into a bashing session on garage vs booth paint jobs.
WE don't like (or want) to do paint jobs here & the only reason we are doing this one is out of the direct request of a dear friend & customer. My customer & his boss know exactly what they're getting & how it's going to be done.
So, the answers to your questions are No, I don't know & I don't know right now.
Thanks
Archie
Archie, I have seen some very nice paint jobs come out of garages over the years, keep doing what your doing.
I'm not really interesting in having this thread turn into a bashing session on garage vs booth paint jobs.
Thanks
Archie
Don't misunderstand, I have no intention of bashing this thread, this build, or you or your shop.
The only reason I brought it up is because you are planning on using a high pearl paint which are usually applied in a tri-coat system. The paint is going ot have to be wet for longer than normal. I am confident that you know about the benefits of paint booths, I don't need to explain that.
I just want to see this car get finished up the best way possible, and pearl finishes can be so sensitive and are really hard to fix if there is an issue.
Just want this car to realize the fullest extent of the potential that you guys have brought out.
We used this same paint system when we painted the engine compartment & when we did the front storage compartment & it actually came out pretty good.
This body consists of some 29 different fiberglass parts of various sizes. We will be painting most of the parts off of the car, so that we can cover the mating surfaces where the panels bolt together. That way all surfaces, that anyone can see, of each part will have the base, Pearl & clear coats on them. So it's going to be a much bigger job & we won't be able to paint all the parts on the same day.
The good part is that it is White & should be more forgiving than something like Pearl Orange or Green or anything like that.
Any pointers you might have are welcome, if you want to share.
Archie
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Originally posted by BlackEmrald:
Don't misunderstand, I have no intention of bashing this thread, this build, or you or your shop.
The only reason I brought it up is because you are planning on using a high pearl paint which are usually applied in a tri-coat system. The paint is going ot have to be wet for longer than normal. I am confident that you know about the benefits of paint booths, I don't need to explain that.
I just want to see this car get finished up the best way possible, and pearl finishes can be so sensitive and are really hard to fix if there is an issue.
Just want this car to realize the fullest extent of the potential that you guys have brought out.
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Well, for an in-shop paint job, I would section off the area you are going to spray as much as possible, and get some air moving in there. Dampening the floor will cut down on the dust you will kick up off the floor.
As for the paint, you need to be REALLY careful and consistent with the pearl coat. You need to have the exact same overlap, as well as distance from the panel or you will end up with tiger stripes, dark spots, or mottling especially on the hoods and roof. Paint the car assembled as much as you can, so that the pearl is the same on every panel. Spray the whole side at once, not fender/door/quarter like a lot of guys do, or you will end up with dark spots on all the panel gaps. Keep in mind that pearl jobs and just under Kandy on the difficulty scale of paint jobs, and a lot of the same rules apply.
See about getting a desiccant and air filtration for the air that you are going to spray with, if you don't already have one.
I always recommend using the best spray equipment you can get your hands on. Maybe use you contacts to see about having a paint shop loan you a Sata or equivalent BC gun and CC gun. Good guns make a world of difference.
Maybe see about watching some Youtube video's about spraying pearl, there are lots of good ones out there that the paint manufacturers put out.
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The paint that they are using doesn't stay wet for any longer than any other color. The base is a simple easy white and the pearl is a really nice mixture that isn't any harder to spray than any high metallic they have sprayed in the past. Even though they are painting the car in pieces the only real concern with this particular paint color mixture is to be a little more careful with the spray patterns. This color will lay out really nice and should be only a moderately difficult paint to lay down and match.
I've sprayed some of Archie's cars in his shop and he does a really nice job of turning the spray area into a paint booth and the paint work comes out very nice. The guys have been spraying for quite some time now and have turned out a lot of really beautiful work and even though they are shooting a pearl on this car they will do just fine. The spraying of the other components have already taught them about the characteristics of the paint so they already know what to expect. They have great equipment and know how to use it.
The car is in great hands.
Good luck, guys....
Mark the paint guy
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Ok time for a small update, Lisa has asked for the new door panels that Amida is making. This change requires us to relocate the window and mirror switches back to the center console . I do not like the look or color of the old switch set up when paired with the G1 dash so..... This is what we just ordered to fit into the center console
to control the 2013 Camaro mirrors
and this should look nice with the Blue dash lighting
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Kinda putting it on a little heavy there Mark LOL.
Thanks for your confidence.
We will do as good as we can.
Archie
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Originally posted by Firefox:
The paint that they are using doesn't stay wet for any longer than any other color. The base is a simple easy white and the pearl is a really nice mixture that isn't any harder to spray than any high metallic they have sprayed in the past. Even though they are painting the car in pieces the only real concern with this particular paint color mixture is to be a little more careful with the spray patterns. This color will lay out really nice and should be only a moderately difficult paint to lay down and match.
I've sprayed some of Archie's cars in his shop and he does a really nice job of turning the spray area into a paint booth and the paint work comes out very nice. The guys have been spraying for quite some time now and have turned out a lot of really beautiful work and even though they are shooting a pearl on this car they will do just fine. The spraying of the other components have already taught them about the characteristics of the paint so they already know what to expect. They have great equipment and know how to use it.
Ok time for a small update, Lisa has asked for the new door panels that Amida is making. This change requires us to relocate the window and mirror switches back to the center console . I do not like the look or color of the old switch set up when paired with the G1 dash so..... This is what we just ordered to fit into the center console
to control the 2013 Camaro mirrors
and this should look nice with the Blue dash lighting
Troy...I knew that was coming...don't feel bad...I am purchasing a set for BluDrm...even though the Zimmer Quicksilver door panels were book-marked for BluDrm and are just about finished as well...it is the way it goes!
There was some discussion about the Enterra's origins. The Enterra was indeed made in Canada from1985 to 1987. It was then sold to a company in California who produced only 2 1988's. They were allowed to build bodies for the fieros but also were only allowed to be sold through a Pontiac dealer. The molds were required to be destroyed so someone could not produce copies. In all only 38 were built, 36 from Canada. There are no know spare parts available. Aldino is walking a very close line in reproducing such close replicas that are so close in shape to the Enterra. There is only one other known Enterra ever produced and that was made for an invester in the Enterra Company. They used his 1984 4 cylinder Fiero. It was upgraded with a V6 and has a 4 speed tranny. It was made with the 2nd generation body which was known for it's improved fitment. So far I have only heard of 3 that had V8 upgrades. Mine I hope will be the forth. I almost bought Lady Lisa's from Bill but got scared of from all the damage. Troy has deeper pockets than I. ;-))
This has trurned out to be the best build in my eyes by far. I am so happy for LL and hopes she drives it and enjoys this car to the max. Archie pulled out all the stops on this one. What a build! Way to go Archie and crew. Whooohooo!
After reading Diamond's post....Troy, Lisa, Archie...you should make molds of these panels now...it truly may be one of the last times to make a clean set of molds!
I think after this build thread...there are a few more people who would consider having one as well!
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Thanks for the updates and pics. Gonna be another gorgeous ride from the A-mans shop!
. a lil more black and a lil less white, she is also paying close attention to the final G1 door panels that Amida is making 
..... just shoot me. Oh well cant put a price tag on the wishes of my High School sweetheart .
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