I still need to fire up these lamps and confirm beam clearance with bodywork. I may get these lower. we'll see.
Current plans are not to offer this as self install kit. I need to bond the bucket to the underside of the door to insure long term torsional rigidity. The wiring harness will be a custom installation. These are things I want to do myself or by builders I am comfortable with.
Here is my thinking. It may be your car, but my name is on your lights. I guarantee my buckets for life. That retroactively includes every bucket I have ever sold.
Your website is a bit confusing on pricing. (Or I'm just too tired.)
Yes, I know. I need to add a page for kits. My original plan was to sell just buckets. I found that it ends up costing me more time to support people who assemble their own set-up. Also, set-up varies greatly on where and how you drive. I sell these kits individually, and generally have spoken directly to every one of my customers.
Here is a simplified way to look at my pricing: Buckets, Hella modules installed, plug and play "Y" adapter harness attached, shipped anywhere in the lower 48 6060 $ 485 9090 $ 535 90mm Bi-Halogen $ 577 90mm Bi-xenon $ 1,409 Di-Noc black carbon fiber film add $30 HIR bulbs for 60mm $30 each. FTL dual relay harness for 6060 or 9090 (delete "Y" harness) add $75 Rear battery extension add $10 Canada add $10
Raydar, Lesee.....485, 30, 75 Halogen modules, Di-Noc, ABS in stock Must build and load buckets, order connectors, build harness. 6 weeks $590 questions@projectorretrofit.com
About wire sizing, I am unafraid to oversize. The additional cost is minor to me. Dual (one for High, the other for Low) fused feeders are 12AWG Relay switched outputs to each bulb are 14AWG Signal from stock harness is 16AWG
I understand. This is a major purchase and alot of money. I build this stuff to order and generally speak directly with all my customers. Due to US manufacturing going overseas, it is becoming increasingly difficult to acquire the raw materials I need. Notice, I do not have a shopping cart. I will not take your your money if I cannot deliver them in a reasonable time-frame.
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Your website says 3 weeks from payment to arrival.
it's the cost of buying quality, handbuilt parts for a car like ours. look at hairball's pics. with all that time and money invested into this, do you really think he'd rip a customer off? i waited 3-4 weeks for my ht motorsports stuff, if i remember right. sure, i was antsy, but where the hell else would i get the stuff?
Just to add to the confusion about pricing, how about a Xenon low beam, and a regular projector high beam? Does the low beam stay on when you switch on the high beam? I understand Xenon's don't like to be switchend on-off in rapid succession (such as turning off the high beam for oncoming traffic)
Have you done any side by side pictures, or testing yet, which combination gives the best light output?
The holy grail for me is the Hella 90mm Bi-Xenon out board and a 60mm HIR inboard. This side by side set-up is just too wide for my previous designs. I started over with the SL I and another forum member will be beta testing with a 6060sl version soon.
The bigest hurdle for Fiero owners to the 90bx60sl will be the price add another $100 to the 90bx = $1509 Why so much? 50 state legal DOT compliant. (6060sl set-up is DOT and e-code compliant)
the new "beta" version is connected to the headlight doors, right? This makes the whole setup lower? Are all your future buckets going to be this design, and when are you ready to sell them (done with beta testing). Do we send you our headlight doors and you do the mods. I have an extra set, and will have another one when I finish my "angel hood vent".
Rob
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The new SL design is attached to the underside of the doors. This is the only way to make the room for both the 90mm Bi-Xenon and a 60mm hb side by side. It also is lower, ...... and I really want to build something as low as the Fieroking's. The new design is complete departure from the origional and needs to be tested in daily drivers in order to shake out potential issues.
These will not replace the 6060 or 9090. The SL will be priced higher.
I do need headlight doors and will give a credit of $25 for each lid/hinge/spring/bracket assembly you send me.
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Let me answer your questions one by one.
Is there much advantage of the 90mm lights over the 60mm lights?
Actually the traditional Hella 90mm modules are an older optical design than the 60mm. 90mm refers to the diameter of the module not the lens (in the low beam) which is only 45mm. The 60mm modules have 60mm lenses. In cameras, some refer to this as a "faster" lens.
I prefer and recommend the 60mm low beam over the 90mm low beam for several reasons. The 90mm Low Beam has a "hot spot" in the middle of the beam pattern and produces diminishing light outboard. The 60mm low beam produces even light from the left shoulder all the way to the right. The 60mm low also has a much sharper vertical cutoff. Above the cut-off line in the pattern it is so dark it can be difficult to read street signs. This what makes this light so good in the fog.
I also prefer and recommend the 60mm high beam over the 90mm. The 90mm is a reflector fixture whereas the 60mm is a projector. The 60 produces a very focused, specular beam with less stray light. The 90mm because of its optics has much more of a flood effect, which is great for a stand alone high beam. You can use the 60mm in light fog and rain, where the 90mm high beam causes too much backdazzle.
Another important distinction between Hella 60 and 90mm modules is that; the 60s use a 9005 bulb which can be legally replaced with a 9011 Halogen Infrared Reflecting bulb. These bulbs produce 75-110% more light than stock bulbs with the same amount of wattage.
How much of a difference does the full time low lights work as opposed to the regular setup?
The difference is huge, that is why my "regular" set-up is FTL with HIR bulbs in the high beams only. The 60mm low beams light up the shoulder which is important when driving where there is wildlife. You don't want too much foreground light, that is why you only want the brighter HIR bulbs in the highs. The may be limited occasions where you might want to disable the FTL, that is why I install a disconnect in the harness. This disconnect circuit may be wired to a "disable" switch on your dash.
I saw you had a rear battery cable extension charge. Does the wiring have to be connected to the battery at all?
Yes, if you install and use the FTL relay harness, you double the wattage and draw twice the amps when you bright up. The stock wiring will not support this.
Is the timeframe on these still about 6 weeks?
Yes, to play it safe. I build all this stuff by hand and prefer not to rush it.
Take all this stuff with a grain of salt, because I am a lighting snob. Anything is better than stock. Hella replacement reflector housings are good, affordable upgrade. 90mm modules are great, but the 60s are awesome,... and cheaper.
Rick installed 6060s (without the FTL) for me October 2011. In fact, the ones in my Fiero are the 6060s you see in Rick's photos that were in his Fiero at the time. We will be upgrading to a new design for me that includes LEDs (I will be working with Rick to finalize the design) and will also change to FTL. I had Gen2 motors installed recently, vast improvement over Gen1 motors. Have front-mount battery tray in hand to move the battery to the front so that will simplify the FTL wiring. Meanwhile, having experienced the 6060s for several months, they are an order of magnitude better than the stock Fiero lights.
I also replaced the headlight bucket bolts to hitch-pins which make bucket removal and installation far easier and faster. Note that I have since loosely "tied down" the hitch pin rings with cable ties because the right-side outboard ring kept catching on a body bold. Photos are at: http://craigphoto.smugmug.c...1890796670&k=sNJsbNM
Hitch pin parts are CHP-38-118, Hitch Pin 3/8x1-1/8, 2ea and CHP-14-114, Hitch Pin 1/4x1-1/4, 4ea plus appropriate nylon washers (and cable ties not shown in the photos).
from e-mail: Hello K****Y, Yes I still make these. I developed this several years ago because I really like driving my Fiero at night. The stock sealed beams blow. I build a complete balanced DOT and E-code compliant lighting system for the Fiero. It is not cheap and I now have downright expensive HID and LED options. Brighter is not what makes HID better. It is the projector optics that are king when the you really need to see the road. Everything I build is 100% satisfaction guaranteed for life. Everyone's needs are different, and the cost is significant Generally, I speak to all my customers directly. Call me, I love talking lighting
For those of you waiting for lights, parts are in, awaiting my time. 6 weeks is a real number as all is hand built and lifetime guaranteed. I will not rush these
In other news, I have gone to plastic in my 9th prototype of my "superlow" version.
Indeed sir... I need these.. New CCFL halo rings with the 6060 can this be done? you and I have spoken about this.. My toy is out of the shop with a clean bill of health.. Yahoo I need the Halo Rings to be "Green"
Glad to see you are still offering this to the community. I have had my 6060s installed for a year and a half now and I love the light. The design of the buckets is simple enough not to have caused any problems and I dont foresee them ever causing one.
Any chance to get the halo rings for my older setup as an add on? Not sure how that works or what would need to be replaced but if its possible let me know, I may be interested in adding these on.
I have another build coming up in a couple months and I definitely will be contacting you about a new setup. Not sure if you know about my aluminum gas tanks but if its something you could use maybe we could barter a little. If you need more info let me know and we can try to work something out.
If you need any more pics or anything I can provide them. I might bump that thread I made about actually installing the new buckets as long as that type is still offered?
Installing the CCFL can be super easy or moderately difficult depending on how cool you wish them to operate. For this past install, we mounted a second headlight switch. It allows Bruce to: - turn on his running lights - open his doors - turn on his halos - turn on his headlights all this can be done in order and most importantly, the first switch is still the master that shuts everything off. It will be kinda cool to have your doors up with lights off but halos on driving down main street
In the case of your 6060t (traditional) buckets, I need to design/fab/produce a small bracket to hold the ballast for the CCFLs. It will not be complex, writing an install thread will take longer.
Holy apologies Batman, I talk to alot of people and am unable to place you with a real name. Call or mail me back. I have halos for you
I have made several executive decisions.
The SL "Super Low" is ready and priced the same as the 6060. It is lower than my origional design but is more complex to install. The origional design wil be renamed the "6060PP" for "plug and play". 6060pp, 9090pp, and 6060sl. For anyone who wants to upgrade to the SuperLow, I have a trade-in program to be forged upon demand.
the LED appliance idea is shelved (maybe dead) I have a CCFL option and retrofit kit available for $75.
ok so can you spell out exactly what the options are for the CCFL halo rings? ex they only come in size xx-yy or yy-zz and cost $xx.xx Thanks and am very excited about the options. Ryan
Certainly, (Please be patient my website is now out of date)
Halos will only be available for the Hella 60mm projectors. For complete new kits, I will mount the rings to the front of the modules and integrate the wiring into your chosen headlight harness.
For my loyal customers who have 6060pp buckets (My origional design), I have a install kit that includes everything you will need except several common adhesives you will need to acquire locally
I am pricing both at the same $75 price for simplicity. Everything comes with my lifetime support.
A few photos of the new 60mm Super Low housings with CCLMs as installed on my Fiero are shown above in hairballrm's post. Here is a link to more photos showing more details of the housings, the new method for raising the housings, projector/halo fitment, and after-installation photos. I've had the prior-art housings and halos in my Fiero since October 2011, these have been in for two weeks. Are these kewl or what?!
Ok , I can't quite figure out a price based on what's posted so please let me know what it would be for a set of 6060 buckets w/the halos ( and even a second price for a harness) (Don't have to be superlows as I'm hoping to keep pricing down a bit) I know you mentioned easy vs hard harnesses but I'm assuming the easy is set up so that the halos come on as the buckets go up and the second button controls the lights themselves.. If so that is perfectly fine with me. Let me know Ryan
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