Here is a simplified way to look at my pricing: Buckets, Hella modules installed, plug and play "Y" adapter harness attached, shipped anywhere in the lower 48 6060pp or 6060sl ........................$485 9090pp ......................................$535 single 90pp Bi-Halogen ...............$577 90bh60sl ..................................$677 90bx60sl (90mm Bi-xenon 60mm HB) $1,409 Di-Noc black carbon fiber film ....add $30 Dual CCFL halo .......................add $55 Quad CCFL halo ......................add $75 HIR bulbs for 60mm ....................$30 each. FTL dual relay harness for 6060 or 9090 (delete "Y" harness) add $75 Rear battery extension ........add $10 Canadian shipping .................add $10 European shipping ................ add $20 ------------------ "Now you too can see in the dark." http://projectorretrofit.com/
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I'm still trying to figure out if they are brighter than the Bi-Xenon modules. I do like the fact that they have no moving parts, and no sensitivity to shock, unlike Xenon, or Halogen bulbs.
Great question. You are showing the new Hella Bi-LED These fixtures have the same opening/adjuster layout as the traditional 90mm. When I designed the super-low, my main goal was to accommodate these "shutter equipped" modules,
This is my unsanded, unpainted, but loaded 90bh60sl I can fit the halogen and HID version, but the new LED one presents new challenges. Notice the taller heat sinks. Right now I have 5mm overhead clearance but we need 17.5mm. Nothing that several hours looking at a screen cannot solve.
Will they fit now? No Can I make them? Yes! Can anyone actually afford these fixtures? Dunno.
SS, re; lead time I have an origional design "6060 plug and play" pair of buckets sitting on the shelf. The 90bh60sl buckets pictured above are also available. I have modules, CCFL, and harness parts in stock. 3 weeks I need to laser and build more 6060sl buckets. 6 weeks
Been doing a bit of digging about the new Hella Bi-LED.
Right now these modules are only available in two e-code versions. The dreaded "for off-road use only" rears it's ugly head. Here in the USA, the DOT requires a different pattern that illuminates unlit road signage. This compliance is clearly marked on the front of any "legal' fixture. In my opinion, running an e-code light on the US roadway is not necessarily unsafe, but in my position, I cannot install equipment that will get you in trouble. Not to worry, automotive LED is the future. We just need to be patient
The two versions available are: Low beam LED at $539.53 each and 90BL Hella Bi-LED 90mm Headlamp Module, Hi-Low Beam at $698.20 each What make the Bi-LED so interesting is that there is no longer a solinoid actuated shutter like other Bi-Halogen/Xenon modules. Low/High is accomplished with separate sets of 3 LEDs.
These three LEDs draw 35 watts. Notice above and below are cooling fins. These heat sinks are there for a reason I suspect, but do not know, the heat is generated from some sort of built in ballast/inverter/power supply. This is where I am now running out of room to squeeze this monster in. Just making it fit may not be enough. Hella recommends certain clearances for heat. A number of people have done louvered door lids, That might be the solution.
Would it be possible to incorporate these fins into your design? If, let's say these louvers are open to the front, air could glide around them, and reduce the clearance necessary. Also, the way a LED works, the front of the light is completely cool, and the rear of the SMD is actually what heats up. Fins are necessary to vent the heat away from the chipset. These lights are also designed for buses, which (I'd guess) by nature of being more enclosed have less (if any) airflow around the fixture.
I'm not too worried about the ECE legal lights. If anything they make oncoming motorists happier, because they don't produce quite as much "glare", as they don't have "squirrel lights" (It's a term I picked up on HIDplanet, a offhand remark as to the necessary stray light required to illuminate road signs in the U.S., which don't have a reflective coating). From a safety aspect, I'd say they are just about as safe as DOT lights then. Also the reduced glare shouldn't draw any attention by law enforcement. Side note: I'm actually not sure how often/if at all, drivers are pulled over for modified headlamps. - or if the punishment is anything more than a fixit ticket. (aka.: put the old headlights back on for inspection, kind of like tinting laws)
What fascinated me about these LED headlights was: • Much more even light output than even Xenon/HID deems possible • Lower wattage, which allows for low beams to stay on with high beams straight from the Hella Factory • No moving parts = durability • incredible light output possibilities in either twin bi-beam setups, or with conventional high beam, and Bi-low/high beam. • The price, compared to HID just has to come down in the near future. (no moving parts, less "hardware", no fancy ballasts, high voltage, etc.) • No need to upgrade Fiero wiring as this setup draws less current. (I'm guessing both setups above would draw less current than a stock Fiero setup) • DOT lights seem inevitable, I'm actually surprised they're not available yet. (At the same time, our European Fiero owners tend to have bigger budgets than our U.S. brethren, so they may become early adopters )
What I don't like is the steep price. I understand they are new, logic however would price them below more complicated HID cousins.
Oh I can definitely do it, It will fit in my 90bht by moving the module inboard 40mm My 90bh60sl (to be called the90bl60sl) by raising the vertical profile back up 10mm I just have to find a Fiero owner who is ready to pony up. Cash and 12 weeks, I can get them I just turned blue and passed out....
No sweat, we should expect cutting edge stuff to carry a heavy price tag. I am very pleased that Hella is bringing LED projectors to market. I think it is just a matter of time before a compact, DOT stamped version becomes available
Max, I was serious when I told you I have a 6060pp loaner set waiting for you to try out.
SS, you are #1 in the que. I am still going to try to convince you to install 9011 HIR bulbs in your high beams.
from a PM, Information I need to share I cannot sort PMs so I do all my correspondence via e-mail.
What kind of lifetime do the CCFL rings have ? as far as I know, they have a long life like LEDs do. They should out last your car. But....... Because these are Chinese, who knows what level of quality control was obtained in the factory. In one year, I will have a much better idea how reliable they are. I give a lifetime guarantee on my buckets, wiring, and Hella modules. With the CCFLs I can't do that yet. Here is the supplier's disclaimer. Notice, there is no time period defined.
CCFL rings and Inverters: Coverage of the product against any defects of manufacturing that alter or change the operating condition rendering product incapable of performing its functions as intended. Coverage is limited against damage caused by abuse, neglect, failure to follow instruction, failure to follow direct recommendation, miss-use, acts of nature, accidents, use outside of unit specifications, use of product on non-conforming vehicle/system or use of the product other than intended. Inverters shorted from reverse voltage or pulsed voltage operation. Rings naturally diminish and change color very slowly with use as occurs by natural process, therefore such changes are not covered under warranty.
If they were to die/ fail, what would my next steps/ options be? Remove and replace at your cost. That being said, I will always make it right and will not leave you out in the cold.
Where is the best path to route a cable from the front to the battery ? In the tunnel alongside the fuel tank
What concerns are there for heat off of the modules? Especially since the housings are ABS. The module housings are cast aluminum and dissipate heat well. The buckets are ABS and are well ventilated. This has not been an issue and I lifetime guarantee it will not be.
Also please tell me more about the 3M Film.. Yes it looks cool but what other benefits does it provide? Purely cosmetic, looks darn cool
I'm also attemping to find a wiring diagram for the front harness to make a circuit diagram for the halos to confirm with you the preferred method for halos Not to worry. If you buy a complete lighting system from me including halos and a wiring harness, the harness will run the halos as well.
I missed FieroFest this year and one of my favorite things to do is make "Hella believers" by arranging ride along s in the dark. I must confess I also enjoy "terrorizing the willing" at the same time.
I am planning a demonstration at the next Chumpcar World Series event "Ghosts, Goblins, Ghouls and Grease Enduro" at Portland International Raceway Oct 26-28. If you are in the Pacific Northwest and want to see this stuff in real life, I would love to meet you. Besides the Pontiaxed team will be there. Pontihack are you guys in?
The only thing cooler than a Fiero....... is one on the racetrack!
still counting the days... hopefully midterms are settled a bit by the time i get them as im sure i will be fully vested in getting them in and running asap. who needs school when youve got a fiero to work on!!! ... if only Thanks again
I got mine Friday and installed them this weekend. I expected it to take a couple hours. 30 minutes later I was done and started making adjustments. I got the full time low wiring kit, I'd recommend that to anyone.
Second best mod I've done to a fiero short of an engine swap. Which is next in line.
SS, glad you like them. call me when you are Stateside.
Raydar, you are built, awaiting a full bench test.
Today was either my birthday or Xmas. Look what arrived in a brown truck
On the left is the Hella Optilux 4inch 35 watt HID driving light kit. The ballast is internal to the fixture. Included in the kit is harness with: 20amp in line fuse, switch, relay, and connections. Retail at $227 Anyone out there with a 355 nose and one of my FTL harnesses, I can piggyback a third interconnected relay. (drivers will dim with high beams)
On the right is something very special. It is the Hella 90mm Bi-Xenon
This fixture bolts right into the 90BH (90BX) bucket. The big test will be if the will fit within the SuperLow
enough talkin', I'm going out side to play with this stuff some more!
Haven't ventured into this thread in a bit, but I see the SL version is available. 1. What is the ordering proceedure? 2. We just mail you the doors and you do the modifications? 3. What if any special install steps are required vs PP? Not counting the obvious of bolting on the doors and wiring to the hood. 4. Also is the opening noise level quieter/louder/indifferent. 5. And can the hood be opened and closed without damage if the lights are on? My late 88 has no light up there, so headlights help me see the tire/fluids.
Sorry for all the questions but I feel they are worth asking!
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ZarZ, welcome back. here are some answers to your questions.
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Originally posted by ZarZ: 1. What is the ordering proceedure?
I pretty much talk to everyone before money changes hands. People have different needs depending where, when, and how they drive. I also like to explain the install and aiming process.
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Originally posted by ZarZ: 2. We just mail you the doors and you do the modifications?
You can send me the doors and I will mount everything or I can send you the parts and walk you through it. Your cost will be the the same except for the additional shipping both ways.
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Originally posted by ZarZ: 3. What if any special install steps are required vs PP? Not counting the obvious of bolting on the doors and wiring to the hood.
You will need to bond some hardware to the underside of the doors and drill two holes each side through the "hinge web" on each door assembly.
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Originally posted by ZarZ: 4. Also is the opening noise level quieter/louder/indifferent.
Headlight noise is the same. Gen I motors still make a racket! Your doors will not flutter at triple digit speeds.
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Originally posted by ZarZ: 5. And can the hood be opened and closed without damage if the lights are on? My late 88 has no light up there, so headlights help me see the tire/fluids.
The front hood hinge / headlight door / separate bucket design in the Fiero is unique and very cool. It took me a year to design the interface between upper and lower parts. Lights on / up or down you can open and close your hood with impunity. Man, I love pop-ups!
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Originally posted by ZarZ: Sorry for all the questions but I feel they are worth asking!
No sweat, It is easier (and better) to answer these things now rather than later
I built my prototype on fiberglass and buy some projectors Chinese to experiment, the results were very good, although it was laborious, but worth the effort, I leave some photos, greetings.
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