Nobody wants to pay the full price of $600 plus shipping from the Fiero store, so heres your chance to own a slightly used set at half price with free shipping! These are a little rusty but very serviceable and were taken off a wrecked, but running Fiero. I don't have any need for them and wanted to sell them to someone who did. Great shape with no cracks, the flanges that bolt to the engine are straight the collectors have a slight bend due to being over tightened but do not affect installation. There are no bolts or gaskets included. $300 includes shipping via UPS with tracking number. If wanted, I can sandblast (ready for paint) for an additional $25.
If you buy this weekend (including Monday) I will throw in a free Rodney Dickman dogbone at no extra charge (your choice of v-6 or 4 cylinder)!! And I will ship Tuesday (If paid for!).
Please guys, I'm looking for a quick sale, so be a serious buyer. -Jason
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I take it you didn't get the ceramic coating option...?
No Lou, I sure didn't as I got them in a package deal with a parts car so I'm selling them as is. I'm not interested in them as I run a 3800SC in my t-top car and am Installing the same into my daily. -Jason
Unfortunately, one header is cracked. Sent the seller a note letting him know and that it has two pin hole leaks, asking if he could help out on the item since it needs welding repair. Told him what the shop charges. Didn't ask him for any dollar amount refund. Just asked if he could help out since it has a problem that he said it didn't have. Explained where it was leaking (at the rusty spot where it's obvious to the naked eye that it's cracked). Offered to show pics of the header in the dunk tank with bubbles coming out so he wouldn't think I was trying to rip him. Still he accused me of trying to "railroad"him with threats, and that I was out of bounds testing the header for cracks. Um, you can see the crack with the naked eye.
He could've just said "no", instead of talking to me like he did. Oh well. My loss.
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Unfortunately, one header is cracked. Sent the seller a note letting him know and that it has two pin hole leaks, asking if he could help out on the item since it needs welding repair. Told him what the shop charges. Didn't ask him for any dollar amount refund. Just asked if he could help out since it has a problem that he said it didn't have. Explained where it was leaking (at the rusty spot where it's obvious to the naked eye that it's cracked). Offered to show pics of the header in the dunk tank with bubbles coming out so he wouldn't think I was trying to rip him. Still he accused me of trying to "railroad"him with threats, and that I was out of bounds testing the header for cracks. Um, you can see the crack with the naked eye.
He could've just said "no", instead of talking to me like he did. Oh well. My loss.
What Doug has said is true, I did send a PM that I'm not proud of. I fired it off without putting any thought into what Doug was trying to say. I read it wrong and for that I apologize profusely. As I stated to Doug, we need to remember that the written word lacks tone of voice, facial expression and body language. This makes its very difficult to ascertain what the writer is actually trying to say. I mistook what he was saying as a shakedown as I interpreted it incorrectly. Everyone that knows me or has met me knows that I am an honest and genuine person, the message I sent to Doug was uncharacteristic and embarrassing of me.
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The benefit of the bolt on headers is you don't have the labor of working on the stock logs. Labor is worth something and the headers will retain their value if in good condition.
I bought the headers that were just advertised for a little under $300, but I'll warn you to ask the seller if they've been tested for leaks before buying. It's not hard to have done, so it's worth asking. Mine arrived and one leaked and the seller gave me a LOT of attitude about having them tested for leaks before I went to the trouble of stripping/painting and installed them. Maybe some people install things without testing them, but those people do the job twice, including painting twice. Don't let the seller tell you they look good. Testing is EASY and the only way to be sure. The saying in firearms hobby is buy the gun, not the story. IOWs, buy what you know. Not what someone tells you they think.
Testing headers is SUPER easy. You take them to a radiator shop (like you would take a used radiator or intercooler) and ask them to dunk test them. I bolted the inlet flanges together with pieces of rubber inner tube between them so the shop only had to install the plug in the collector to pressurize one header to test it, then move the plug to the other collector to test it. Took them a couple minutes and they don't charge unless they leak and you want it fixed. Machine shops here charge $90 per hour. Rad shops charge $50 but some only work on brass and aluminum stuff. No steel.
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I have known jason for over 10 years now and know him as an honest person I was there when the headers were bought and can say we did inspect them for cracks and found nothing on either one. there were others that also inspected these and can say there was not cracks in them at all.I I would have bought them I would have been very happy with them!
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I don't have a horse in this race, and I hope both parties walk away with a good deal.
I have to comment about what Hardpact said. "I would just weld them and grind them down and paint them ..... I wouldn't of said anything for the price they we're sold for" That's fine except they were listed as " Great shape with no cracks" and the buyer offered to show images of the header being tested and leaking from a crack. I try to stand by my word. and expect others to do the same. I also expect to get what I pay for.
This isn't a personal attack on anyone. Just my two cents.
I would just weld them and grind them down and paint them ..... I wouldn't of said anything for the price they we're sold for
They weren't exactly given away. I'd be choked as well if I had received these cracked headers.
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Great shape with no cracks... $300 includes shipping
IMO (as a long time PFF member), you should step up to the plate and demonstrate to Doug (mental floss) how "honest and genuine" you are. Make the situation right Jason, and save your good reputation here.
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Everyone that knows me or has met me knows that I am an honest and genuine person, the message I sent to Doug was uncharacteristic and embarrassing of me.
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I'm sure some here could benefit from this, since some have said they didn't know how to ID the exhaust crack on this header. So here is a shot or two of the cracked location of the header. Not so evident on the outside, but much more obvious on the inside where that line is, actually two lines that converge. From the outside, it looks like the header has had a repair in the past.
And of course checking for leaks in cool water in a dunk tank gives a different result than when the hot exhaust gases get the header up to operating temps and things expand.
If the crack had been advertised, I wouldn't have been interested at $250. If I could weld, that would be different. See that triangular piece in the center of the pic? In the 2nd pic, look at the left side of that triang piece and you can see the cracks. Once you look at the inside, you know where to look on the outside.
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I don't have a horse in this race, and I hope both parties walk away with a good deal.
I have to comment about what Hardpact said. "I would just weld them and grind them down and paint them ..... I wouldn't of said anything for the price they we're sold for" That's fine except they were listed as " Great shape with no cracks" and the buyer offered to show images of the header being tested and leaking from a crack. I try to stand by my word. and expect others to do the same. I also expect to get what I pay for.
This isn't a personal attack on anyone. Just my two cents.
I hate to be one who barges in and argues but all of this should have and should now stay in a pm. You bought a used part. The seller tried to be honest with you about condition. If you were Leary thrn you shouldn't have bought them or should of asked for more pictures. So they have a crack and you leak tested them.... then fix them and put them on. If you wanted perfect then you should have bought them new. Everyone on this forum always wants something for nothing and its a shame because all you do by being cheap is put the vendors that keep the cars goin in danger of losing their business. Nonetheless the back and forth on this forum just causes stupid drama and is pathetic. Finally, not really sure the necessity of putting headers on a 125 horsepower motor....I dont get it.
He won't respond to PMs. Did you try butting in there? You could've handled your comment by PM, and yet you didn't. You can't take your own advice.
I was never LEERY. I trusted the seller and just expect the item I agreed to in the contract. This is the thread (which is now about the CONTRACT) made for selling these specific headers "in great condition with no cracks". You're trying to claim the public contract above doesn't pertain to cracks when the verbiage specifically does.
You know less about contracts than you do about credibility, so step off. You had every intention of butting in. Don't try to kid anyone. It's like AMflyer claiming they had no cracks. That claim was silenced when I posted pics of cracks nobody could've overlooked had they been trying or known what they were talking about. The for sale thread is the avenue I have left to try to get the contract fulfilled.
People should take note of those who're saying a seller has no responsibility in his claims, and expect what sort of deal you might be making with them.
Guys from up north pretending they know the hp rating you're using parts for? I don't get it.
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... a little rusty but very serviceable ... Great shape with no cracks, the flanges that bolt to the engine are straight the collectors have a slight bend due to being over tightened but do not affect installation. $300 includes shipping ...If you buy this weekend (including Monday) I will throw in a free Rodney Dickman dogbone at no extra charge... be a serious buyer
The serious buyer is me. If the verbiage above said 'they might be cracked', I would've been leery. Had he priced them at $200 with known crack, I don't think I'd have been interested in the possible headache. He reassured a serious buyer they weren't cracked. Those are the headers I agreed to buy. We can work something out by making a new contract, but I can't do it alone. This one is in breach.
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Nobody wants to pay the full price of $600 plus shipping from the Fiero store, so heres your chance to own a slightly used set at half price with free shipping! These are a little rusty but very serviceable and were taken off a wrecked, but running Fiero. I don't have any need for them and wanted to sell them to someone who did. Great shape with no cracks, the flanges that bolt to the engine are straight the collectors have a slight bend due to being over tightened but do not affect installation. There are no bolts or gaskets included. $300 includes shipping via UPS with tracking number. If wanted, I can sandblast (ready for paint) for an additional $25.
If you buy this weekend (including Monday) I will throw in a free Rodney Dickman dogbone at no extra charge (your choice of v-6 or 4 cylinder)!! And I will ship Tuesday (If paid for!).
Please guys, I'm looking for a quick sale, so be a serious buyer. -Jason
Let's do this then, Jason, I'd like to undo this deal on the headers since you haven't made an effort for a remedy. Please contact me.
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I'm sorry, I was out of town traveling and out of contact (it does actually happen, contrary to everyone's belief) I do not live on the forum and do not constantly monitor it. I have stated this in my other for sale thread and no one seems to have an issue with it.
Doug, you have only made one (1) attempt (on 6/13) to contact me since my response to your initial inquiry, not the many attempts as you stated here. At the time you Pm'd me (10:26 PM), I was driving to my destination and I did not arrive back home until 11:40 last night. Either time, the forum was not the first thing on my mind.
I logged into my Paypal account first thing this morning, as I truly was intending on giving a partial refund to help cover the costs of repairing the headers. This is how I found out about this whole debacle, so this morning was actually the first time I made it onto the forum (or at least into my PM's) since Thursday. Please, don't make it sound like I'm intentionally giving you the run around, as I am not and would not. The benefit of the doubt, would have be nice.
Posting here in this thread served no purpose but to try and humiliate me in front of my peers, and while it makes your story (about my absence) look good, It still wouldn't have alerted me to your "countdown" and doesn't resolve a thing. So unless, you are actually trying to make this a public smear campaign, let's keep it to PM's or email ( granted, I still wouldn't have seen either over the weekend).
Now that I'm back, I will dutifully monitor this thread, my Pm's, and my email until this issue is mutually resolved. -Jason
As a side note to what has been written. I am not a liar nor am I a thief. It was an unintentional oversight on my part, as I did not think to look into the headers for issues. I only looked for obvious flaws and did not study them intently. I did not, and will not maliciously or intentionally sell something to someone/anyone with a known flaw, unless I have made them intently aware of it. I have great seller feedback, and my 3800 fuel rail thread shows this, please don't question my integrity.
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I'm sorry, I was out of town traveling and out of contact (it does actually happen, contrary to everyone's belief) I do not live on the forum and do not constantly monitor it. I have stated this in my other for sale thread and no one seems to have an issue with it.
Doug, you have only made one (1) attempt (on 6/13) to contact me since my response to your initial inquiry, not the many attempts as you stated here. At the time you Pm'd me (10:26 PM), I was driving to my destination and I did not arrive back home until 11:40 last night. Either time, the forum was not the first thing on my mind.
Up until this point, I gave you the benefit of a doubt while reserving my ability to get you to engage ANY conversation for a partial credit to get what I paid for. Now I'm positive you're being intentionally dishonest. I contacted you more than that 1 PM. It's just another attempt to deflect and protect yourself at my expense. I tolerated your tirade in the PM. You wouldn't approach the table to discuss. Now you're making false claims about the number of PMs I sent. All for selling me a defective item with improper description. You sure do bark a lot.
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I logged into my Paypal account first thing this morning, as I truly was intending on giving a partial refund to help cover the costs of repairing the headers. This is how I found out about this whole debacle,
Logging into your Paypal is how you found out about this debacle? That translates into, you had already turned your back on backing up your statement on the cracked header and went to extract some funds and found that your account is locked due to me having to file a dispute to get you to approach the negotiation table. Well, the dispute worked. You finally responded with an offer.
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...so this morning was actually the first time I made it onto the forum (or at least into my PM's) since Thursday. Please, don't make it sound like I'm intentionally giving you the run around, as I am not and would not. The benefit of the doubt, would have be nice.
You had an opportunity since before I posted on this thread on the 9th to make an attempt to reach an agreement. You had several opportunities in the days after as well. You weren't out of town them. You refused, even after offering an apology for attacking my character in PM. You never once offered to work the issue out if it included a financial facet. In the time before you left town you could've taken some responsibility to either offer or mention that you'd contact me after some trip you had to make. You didn't.
The fact is you didn't make any offer to rectify the issue until I disputed the transaction officially. I recommend anyone buying from you in the future to just go straight for the dispute. Money is your motivation.
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Posting here in this thread served no purpose but to try and humiliate me in front of my peers, and while it makes your story (about my absence) look good, It still wouldn't have alerted me to your "countdown" and doesn't resolve a thing. So unless, you are actually trying to make this a public smear campaign, let's keep it to PM's or email ( granted, I still wouldn't have seen either over the weekend).
I'm hopeful that you don't have 'your peers' here selling items on the forum. You intentionally avoided any direct engagement here or in PM about rectifying the matter. So I sure wouldn't want anyone else to have to tolerate this.
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Now that I'm back, I will dutifully monitor this thread, my Pm's, and my email until this issue is mutually resolved. -Jason
As a side note to what has been written. I am not a liar nor am I a thief. It was an unintentional oversight on my part, as I did not think to look into the headers for issues. I only looked for obvious flaws and did not study them intently. I did not, and will not maliciously or intentionally sell something to someone/anyone with a known flaw, unless I have made them intently aware of it. I have great seller feedback, and my 3800 fuel rail thread shows this, please don't question my integrity.
So far you've sold a defective item, impugned my character because I checked the item for mechanical integrity, you made no attempt to rectify this but have made repeated excuses over why you haven't. Even tried to avoid it behind two acquaintances? I had to file a dispute to force you to take responsibility when more than one person told you that you needed to do so.
Since you mentioned the 3800 fuel rail, it looks like a totally unneeded product that doesn't add much of anything to someone's build. Not sure why someone would bother buying one, not to mention knowing what product support is potentially going to be like.
So far you've sold a defective item QUOTE] I did not knowingly sell you a defective item, as stated multiple times
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mental floss: you made no attempt to rectify this
My attempt to rectify the situation was by asking you WHAT YOU wanted me to do, I had asked you what you wanted in my third PM, and you never responded to the actual question. And my rectification of the situation, without actually knowing what you wanted. Was to offer you a partial refund to cover the costs of the repair (which you had stated in the first PM and in another non-related post), of which you had actually accepted earlier today at 2:51 pm. This was well before you posted the diatribe here, so why bother saying anything at all, unless you are actually attempting to try and make me look bad here.
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Originally posted by mental floss: but have made repeated excuses over why you haven't
How could I have made repeated excuses? According to your many statements above, I have supposedly not responded to you at all
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Originally posted by mental floss: Even tried to avoid it behind two acquaintances?
I tried to what? Prove that I wasn't being dishonest?
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Originally posted by mental floss: I had to file a dispute to force you to take responsibility when more than one person told you that you needed to do so..
Actually, your stretching that one, Patrick would be only person to say anything about it. There was no need to file the dispute and force me to do anything, I responded within the normal time frame of two days as per our previous communications.
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Originally posted by mental floss:Since you mentioned the 3800 fuel rail, it looks like a totally unneeded product that doesn't add much of anything to someone's build. Not sure why someone would bother buying one, not to mention knowing what product support is potentially going to be like.
You cannot speak of the quality of this product as we have had no interactions pertaining to this, so your point here in invalid.
My product is very well designed and enhances the looks of the engine compartment and serves makes the installation of the 3800 (with intercooler or without) much neater and faster. And that fact is proven, by how many I have sold. And IF you had actually bothered to read the write up and viewed the pictures, you could clearly see why.
FWIW, I stand behind all the fuel rails I have built, I have had only one problem and this was due to a shipping issue (with the carrier). And although it wasn't my fault, I fixed the issue, and paid for shipping both ways. The customer was more than happy with the outcome.
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Originally posted by Fierofreak00: My attempt to rectify the situation was by asking you WHAT YOU wanted me to do, I had asked you what you wanted and you never responded. And my rectification of the situation, without actually knowing what you wanted. Was to offer you a partial refund to cover the costs of the repair (which you had stated, in the first PM and in another non-related post would be $50 an hour, to start), of which you had actually accepted earlier today at 2:51 pm. And this was well before you posted the diatribe here, so why bother saying anything at all, unless you are actually attempting to try and make me look bad here.
You're absolutely lying, Jason. You refused to engage in discussions about a correction anywhere in the process. The only way I got you to take responsibility was to lock your Paypal account down 20 days after the purchase with a dispute to get the $50 I mentioned it would take to repair it to the state you claimed they were in initially. The $50 was more important to you than your credibility and honor. I especially appreciate you trying to hide behind two acquaintances claiming there were no crack. BTW, the exhaust shop found another one yesterday when they repaired it.
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Actually, my product is well designed enhances the looks of the engine compartment and makes the installation of the 3800 (with intercooler or without) much neater and faster. And that fact is proven, by how many I have sold. And IF you had actually bothered to read the write up and viewed the pictures, you cold clearly see the comparison.
Oh, sure it is. Just like your uncracked header wasn't cracked. And you didn't insult me for actually checking your work to find it..
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FWIW, I stand behind all the fuel rails I build and out of all the ones I have built, I have had only one problem and this was due to a shipping issue (with the carrier). And although it wasn't my fault, I fixed the issue, and paid for shipping both ways. The customer was more than happy with the outcome.
You had more than one shipping problem. You sent my cracked header to another address. Everything is an excuse with you. An excuse of why you aren't responsible. You aren't responsible by nature.
The only way I got you to take responsibility was to lock your Paypal account down 20 days after the purchase with a dispute to get the $50 I mentioned it would take to repair it to the state you claimed they were in initially.
It's a real shame that all this bad blood could've been avoided with a simple $50 refund earlier. Fifty bucks. That amount seems very reasonable to me.
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