I believe your actions, combined with a few others, directly contributed to an already strained situation.
The situation became "strained" years ago, long before you were a member here, when this same guy was pulling these same stunts.
Myself and others are simply looking out for fellow forum members. It's rather bizarre that some of us are still on the receiving end of criticism for being diligent.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
The situation became "strained" years ago, long before you were a member here, when this same guy was pulling these same stunts.
Myself and others are simply looking out for fellow forum members. It's rather bizarre that some of us are still on the receiving end of criticism for being diligent.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
And when this same basic behavior is exhibited in other threads that don't have anything to do with this person? Is it still "looking out for other forum members"? As I said before, I don't know you from Adam, but you and certain others seem to gravitate towards drama and/or create it where it hadn't previously existed. I might be wrong, but this is how it looks from the outside. I'm not going to perpetuate this, just know that other members may see your behavior quite differently than how you've justified it in your mind.
You paint a broad stroke. Sure, make it about me. Post some links if you wish. I've nothing to hide.
Seems like, for reasons known only to you, that you're trying to deflect the discussion away from Slammed/Dallas.
Maybe I should be investigating your previous posts.
You have attacked, accused and harassed slammed from the beginning, and have provided absolutely no proof of your accusations. You have brought nothing but negative contributions to this thread.
Originally posted by ITR SOL: I comprehend what you're saying, I just don't agree with your assessment. I believe your actions, combined with a few others, directly contributed to an already strained situation. I believe this has created an environment where someone is "damned if they do, and damned if they don't". If nothing they do can get you off of them, why continue?
This person is 'damned' because they repeatedly didn't. Didn't ship product, didn't explain why, didn't warn customers of delays, didn't explain why invalid tracking numbers were provided, didn't issues refunds when promised, ad nauseum. Had they done more 'doing', the early critics (who turned out to be correct) would have been silenced. It's unfair to blame people for being right in this situation, I think.
As to the 'why continue?' question, well, because some hopeful, eternally optimistic and/or desperate people kept sending them money.
It's also worth noting that the majority (all but one, IIRC) of the people here adamantly defending this person, who was at best deceptive, joined the site in the last year or so, since this all started. It's not much of a stretch to believe that these accounts belong to Slammed/Dallas, though only Cliff can tell for sure. And Cliff, since I know you are reading this, it would be doing the community a service to ban the accounts that are clearly coming from the same place. IP logs provide strong evidence. Ad impressions over this saga aren't worth (more) people getting ripped off.
This person is 'damned' because they repeatedly didn't. Didn't ship product, didn't explain why, didn't warn customers of delays, didn't explain why invalid tracking numbers were provided, didn't issues refunds when promised, ad nauseum. Had they done more 'doing', the early critics (who turned out to be correct) would have been silenced. It's unfair to blame people for being right in this situation, I think.
As to the 'why continue?' question, well, because some hopeful, eternally optimistic and/or desperate people kept sending them money.
It's also worth noting that the majority (all but one, IIRC) of the people here adamantly defending this person, who was at best deceptive, joined the site in the last year or so, since this all started. It's not much of a stretch to believe that these accounts belong to Slammed/Dallas, though only Cliff can tell for sure. And Cliff, since I know you are reading this, it would be doing the community a service to ban the accounts that are clearly coming from the same place. IP logs provide strong evidence. Ad impressions over this saga aren't worth (more) people getting ripped off.
Define defending. I certainly feel that a few people in this thread and the others on this subject have been out of line in their criticism of Slammed. While I dont feel that slammed has been a good vendor at this point, quite a bit of the banter that has gone on is uncalled for, and has been unproductive. I am certainly not involved with slammed amd have been here a good bit longer than a year. This whole saga though makes it clear to me I will NEVER try to launch a fiero related product on this forum, and I am certain I am not the only one who has read through this saga and came away with that conclusion.
You have attacked, accused and harassed slammed from the beginning...
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Im at loss for what you need a link to, can you not find this thread?
Here, I'll save you the trouble. This was my first post in this thread. Twenty posts preceded mine. I only posted after Slammed brought up my name. Seems appropriate to bring it to your attention, as "fanboys" were indeed mentioned.
I get criticized by your fanboys (and/or your PFF aliases) for "derailing" threads involving you... so I stayed out of this one. But then you feel the need to bring my name up. You must miss me.
I'm "downright nasty", eh? Me thinks you just don't like being reminded of the runaround you've put numerous people through, along with the absolutely bizarre excuses for doing so.
Don't forget the Jet City Fieros meeting on July 13th. Heck, I'll reimburse the club for your meal if you attend. Be a guest of honor, show off your products, and cost me some money. Win-win for you. Seems like a helluva offer to me!
And in case you missed it, Slammed was a no-show at the Jet City Fieros meeting.
You paint a broad stroke. Sure, make it about me. Post some links if you wish. I've nothing to hide.
Seems like, for reasons known only to you, that you're trying to deflect the discussion away from Slammed/Dallas.
Maybe I should be investigating your previous posts.
I didn't make this about you Patrick, you did, when you chose to debate what I said. Again, you seem to thrive off conflict, as you tend to argue in most of the threads I see you in. Here's the thing, I can comment that your behavior along with some others was uncalled for and isn't helpful without that meaning I'm defending slammed. I don't think they handled the situation appropriately at all, but that has nothing to do with the behavior I was describing, which is evident in numerous threads. This behavior made things worse than they needed to be in my opinion.
My comments were that if the hounding hadn't been here to influence things, there may have been a chance for things to work out. I didn't even mention you by name at first as my comments were in general. Feel free to dir ct your need for drama at me if you like, Im having a calm discussion about behavior, and have no intention of being baited into more.
Originally posted by ITR SOL: I didn't make this about you Patrick, you did, when you chose to debate what I said. Again, you seem to thrive off conflict, as you tend to argue in most of the threads I see you in. Here's the thing, I can comment that your behavior along with some others was uncalled for and isn't helpful without that meaning I'm defending slammed. I don't think they handled the situation appropriately at all, but that has nothing to do with the behavior I was describing, which is evident in numerous threads. This behavior made things worse than they needed to be in my opinion.
My comments were that if the hounding hadn't been here to influence things, there may have been a chance for things to work out. I didn't even mention you by name at first as my comments were in general. Feel free to dir ct your need for drama at me if you like, Im having a calm discussion about behavior, and have no intention of being baited into more.
This person is 'damned' because they repeatedly didn't. Didn't ship product, didn't explain why, didn't warn customers of delays, didn't explain why invalid tracking numbers were provided, didn't issues refunds when promised, ad nauseum. Had they done more 'doing', the early critics (who turned out to be correct) would have been silenced. It's unfair to blame people for being right in this situation, I think.
As to the 'why continue?' question, well, because some hopeful, eternally optimistic and/or desperate people kept sending them money.
It's also worth noting that the majority (all but one, IIRC) of the people here adamantly defending this person, who was at best deceptive, joined the site in the last year or so, since this all started. It's not much of a stretch to believe that these accounts belong to Slammed/Dallas, though only Cliff can tell for sure. And Cliff, since I know you are reading this, it would be doing the community a service to ban the accounts that are clearly coming from the same place. IP logs provide strong evidence. Ad impressions over this saga aren't worth (more) people getting ripped off.
I guess you can justify it all you want, but the endless digs and even suggesting other members are bots, and carrying things to the level they were wasn't the act of a mature person being concerned for fellow members. It looked more like unneeded drama creating tactics. You guys were even making fun of people who were willing to risk it. The last one received their order, and that didn't change anyone's approach at all. If they had miraculously turned things around, I suspect none of the people acting this way would ever admit they might have made good. I'm betting the hounding would continue. I don't feel the need to address slammed's behavior here, as I'd prefer to deal with any issues a different way. It's discouraging to see so many threads get derailed by people needlessly though. I was a potential customer, I'm not grateful to you because you clearly aren't doing this for my benefit. It's to satisfy some need you have. This is just my opinion, feel free to disregard it. I've made my point, and will move on to another subject now, hopefully one without more of this behavior.
And it just absolutely blows me away how much total BS these people are willing to put up with in the faint hope of replacing a freaking tail light. It scares me to think what these same people would tolerate or sacrifice in order to acquire something that's actually required... such as food and shelter.
Nobody twisted this guy's arm to make deadlines he couldn't keep. Nobody was preventing this guy from shipping items he announced had been produced.
People were warned about this guy more than a year ago here. How anybody in their right mind could fall for this continuous nonsense after all this time is well beyond my comprehension.
What I am curious about is how the funkytown anyone can think this was a fraud. What lens covers did I install on the back of my Fiero that I installed a few months ago? Oh yeah, Slammed's. What do you know, I'm the only guy that posted any good pictures, made the install thread, reviewed, and drove eight hours and overheated my car to show them at the Fieros at Carlisle this year. All of my pictures were used in the Ebay ad even. Golly gee whiz, WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT TO PROVE SHE IS MAKING THESE THINGS???
Now, if someone hits my car I can't order a new set of lenses. Great. Back to square one, actually no, Ill have to buy 1000$ 30 year old plastic that will just de-laminate in 4 years anyway. The only thing this nonstop bickering has done here is cause NO HOPE for anyone to produce lenses ever again thanks to the strident, dogmatic, and truculent members of this forum.
Was there problems along the way? Yes. Where there errors for both Slammed and the haters? Yes. Even I was concerned at one point; however now that the actions of a select few somehow proved Slammed was a "fraud" what does the community have to show for it besides a shipping delay or seven to show for it?
Ill post it below. ___________________________________________________________________________
I've come to the conclusion that tail lights are cursed.
Flame me, go ahead. Call me names. Ill be on hiatus for a few days. I'm very disappointed, both at the forum as a whole, and to Slammed, not even considering selling the molds she made. I really hope you reconsider, you have a fantastic product.
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Originally posted by ITR SOL: I guess you can justify it all you want, but the endless digs and even suggesting other members are bots
What I suggested is that the 'vendor' is posting on this site using multiple accounts, pretending to be a satisfied customer. I never said anything about 'bots'. Cliff, if he chose to, could pretty well determine if this theory is true (others believe the same). Seems to be like it's about time for that to happen.
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Originally posted by ITR SOL: and carrying things to the level they were wasn't the act of a mature person being concerned for fellow members. It looked more like unneeded drama creating tactics.
I genuinely and repeatedly offered to buy this person dinner and to give them a free in-person forum in which to show off their products. I truly hoped they'd take me up on it. It wasn't until the fake tracking numbers were given and the vendor went AWOL that my tone changed. I see that as earned disrespect.
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Originally posted by ITR SOL:The last one received their order, and that didn't change anyone's approach at all.
The last one, as far as I can tell, was an account that was created in February of this year. They were asked to post pictures of the product they received, and have been silent since. Given the track record of this 'vendor', I don't think it's at all unreasonable to consider this person suspect.
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Originally posted by ITR SOL:If they had miraculously turned things around, I suspect none of the people acting this way would ever admit they might have made good. I'm betting the hounding would continue.
I'd take that bet in a nanosecond. You don't see many people hounding Rodney or TFS or other reliable vendors. Why? Because they followed basic rules of business: Create a product before you start selling it. Don't lie to people. Respond when customers have concerns.
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Originally posted by ITR SOL:It's discouraging to see so many threads get derailed by people needlessly though.
You mean like two threads? Or maybe three? And again, if this person had shipped what people bought, the threads would have stayed 'on the rails', right?
I've busted my butt over the last couple years to promote Fieros, encourage people to restore and show them, come to club meetings and events, etc. We all benefit from more nice Fieros on the road, at shows, etc. It raises their standing among other car people and subsequently their value. And the one thing almost every fastback needs is tail lights. I would be thrilled to have a good source for them again both for the community and myself (I worry about the ones on my car getting damaged).
But I also thing scammers are worse for our community than bad tail lights. One bad apple can scare people off the cars no different than the stupid "they all catch on fire" myth. So if it comes down to calling out someone who by consistent and ongoing behavior seems like a scammer, even if they purport to offer a much needed product, I'll call them out. I do the same when the Nigerian finance minister offers to send me millions of dollars if only I'll send him my bank account info...
So if it comes down to calling out someone who by consistent and ongoing behavior seems like a scammer, even if they purport to offer a much needed product, I'll call them out. I do the same when the Nigerian finance minister offers to send me millions of dollars if only I'll send him my bank account info...
I didn't want to copy and quote your whole post, but you brought up many excellent points.
The only thing this nonstop bickering has done here is cause NO HOPE for anyone to produce lenses ever again thanks to the strident, dogmatic, and truculent members of this forum.
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Originally posted by Patrick:
Interesting. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that only you and ITR SOL have used that particular term in this thread.
That was fast.
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Take it easy guys. See you all in a few days; All this negativity is bad for my high blood pressure.
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You mean like two threads? Or maybe three? And again, if this person had shipped what people bought, the threads would have stayed 'on the rails', right?...
You idiots keep saying I'm someone else, I have multiple accounts, my IP would show it, BUT IT DOESN'T. Cliff has seen my posts. I would be banned already, my threads have brought a lot of attention. He has been in here to moderate my language. YOU HAVE ZERO PROOF OF FAKE ACCOUNTS OR THAT MY TRACKING WAS FAKE. I have USPS claim numbers with open AND closed dates. Those people ALL got parts or money. And since then I have delivered 12 more.
I don't know why aldan hasn't posted but here is his tracking. I can't fake that shiit. I'd post his sales and ebay name but that isn't my business
I'm sure as hell not Raydar
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Originally posted by Raydar:
Mine were on the porch when I got home from work, today.
These things are very nice. Very. Nice.
Please excuse the ugly rug. The orange lights are the reflection from the fan lights.
Thanks Slammed. I'm sorry that things did not go smoothly. But I'm very happy with my pieces.
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And Cliff, since I know you are reading this, it would be doing the community a service to ban the accounts that are clearly coming from the same place.
I have found no evidence whatsoever Slammed is using more than one account.
True. I wasn't going to get involved, here. But since I've been mentioned twice , now, I suppose I will.
I was one of the original group of buyers. My first tracking # was one of the USPS ones that "disappeared". The second tracking # proved to be good, and I did eventually receive my lenses. They are pretty much exactly as described. Will need a little bit of trimming to fit correctly. I am completely satisfied with what I received. I haven't installed them yet because I have other projects that have taken priority. (The taillights on my car are probably an "8 of 10". These lenses are going on a set of spares that I have. I will post pics when I get around to doing them, if it's still a "thing" by then. I suspect that when I do, the thread will turn into the same shitstorm that all the others have. So maybe you'll just see the finished product with little mention. I dunno.)
With that said... the reason that I felt comfortable purchasing these in the first place was because of Paypal's purchase protection. I don't know the back story behind all the delays and drama. I won't even speculate. My own observation is that Slammed seems to have a really good grip on how to do what she's doing. It's a great product. Just can't seem to do it consistently. Seems to be more ineptitude or preoccupation (or other priorities?) than an outright attempt to screw people. That's just an unfortunate side effect, and it's very confusing to me. (This IS a great product, as I said.) I have my own theories about the whole "Slammed vs Dallas" argument. I'll spare you all the rehash. It's out there, elsewhere, if anyone cares.
I just had a chat with the gentleman that purchased the molds going over everything he is going to need. He was under the impression he would be able to use a shop vacuum and infrared lamps to make these, I don't know what idea was sold to him. From what I can tell, this won't be happening for a long time. He is going to need an actual thermofoming setup that can achieve real vacuum.
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Originally posted by Slammed: That is for a completely different product ******. **** all of you. Ban me. [Edited by Cliff Pennock]
So far 1814 people have viewed my web page on my search for the recipients of the 4 pairs of replacement lenses Slammed says he produced (remove old lens, snap in new lenses) (not the glue on overlays that have been produced and sold) and the $20,000 dies that were sold to some unnamed gentleman. No one has contacted me with any information yet. Nothing. I hope someday someone who purchased a set of these 4 pair replacement lenses (not the glue on overlays) or the gentleman that bought and paid $20,000 for the aluminum dies to make replacement lenses (remove old lenses, snap in new lenses) contacts me or anyone here. If that day comes I will post an apology several paragraphs in length to this Slammed person.
Waiting.
------------------ Rodney Dickman
Fiero Parts And Acc's Web Page: All new web page!:www.rodneydickman.com Rodney Dickman's Fiero accessories 7604 Treeview Drive Caledonia, WI 53108 Phone/Fax (262) 835-9575
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I just had a chat with the gentleman that purchased the molds going over everything he is going to need. He was under the impression he would be able to use a shop vacuum and infrared lamps to make these, I don't know what idea was sold to him. From what I can tell, this won't be happening for a long time. He is going to need an actual thermofoming setup that can achieve real vacuum. http://rodneydickman.com/ca...h=23&products_id=375
So far 1814 people have viewed my web page on my search for the recipients of the 4 pairs of replacement lenses Slammed says he produced (remove old lens, snap in new lenses) (not the glue on overlays that have been produced and sold) and the $20,000 dies that were sold to some unnamed gentleman. No one has contacted me with any information yet. Nothing. I hope someday someone who purchased a set of these 4 pair replacement lenses (not the glue on overlays) or the gentleman that bought and paid $20,000 for the aluminum dies to make replacement lenses (remove old lenses, snap in new lenses) contacts me or anyone here. If that day comes I will post an apology several paragraphs in length to this Slammed person.
Waiting.
You never apologize for anything, you overcharged me, I proved it, instead of an apology, you tried blackmail. Slammed has made a product and delivered, but no, not good enough for you. Now on your site you are trying to seal her idea and product. (overlays) If you look at her pics they are on the same floor background of other things she has sold. (BTW this has not even been brought up before) obliviously the people who did buy her prototypes support her = opposite you, so why would they want to respond to you and be called a liar, as that is what you would do. You represent the biggest driving force to make her stop. So people, when you can't find replacement tail lights you know you to blame.
Cliff has proved wrong other people's suspicion of her being someone else, and the whole dinner thing. who cares if she doesn't show up, everyone wants her to jump though hoops to please them.
To Slammed, thank you for trying/making a product we need, but get your sh*t together (shipping/tracking, etc) and continue to make them.
. Now on your site you are trying to seal her idea and product. (overlays) If you look at her pics they are on the same floor background of other things she has sold.
The picture (there is only one picture on that web page of mine) is the picture he posted on the forum showing 2 pair of reproduction lenses he says he made and ultimately he says he made 4 pair and sold all 4 pair. Before you make a post like this you should read and comprehend what you are looking at before coming here and bashing someone.
I will gladly admit I posted many things in these taillight lens topics because in my opinion this person is a psychotic compulsive pathological liar. And if you haven't figured it out yet I really really really hate compulsive pathological liars. If this person was not this wacko jacko type everything would have been fine. But, in my opinion, this person is a wacko jacko on crack.
Thanks Dave for another jab. Send me your address and I'll send you that $2 you say I overcharged you. My web page at that time stated I had a $10 minimum and you ordered something for $6. I charged you $8 to split the difference. Yes I could have charged you $10. I think your reading and comprehension skills are a bit weak. Your post above proves that once again. I should keep bashing you for your poor reading and comprehension skills.
------------------ Rodney Dickman
Fiero Parts And Acc's Web Page: All new web page!:www.rodneydickman.com Rodney Dickman's Fiero accessories 7604 Treeview Drive Caledonia, WI 53108 Phone/Fax (262) 835-9575
You never apologize for anything, you overcharged me, .
I'm sorry your reading and comprehension skills are so poor. Many of the nasty things you post here towards me and others are late at night or very early mornings. Do you drink?
------------------ Rodney Dickman
Fiero Parts And Acc's Web Page: All new web page!:www.rodneydickman.com Rodney Dickman's Fiero accessories 7604 Treeview Drive Caledonia, WI 53108 Phone/Fax (262) 835-9575
Originally posted by Rodney: I'm sorry your reading and comprehension skills are so poor. Many of the nasty things you post here towards me and others are late at night or very early mornings. Do you drink?
I don't post anything bad towards others, just you. I post late at night as it is hot in vegas so I work at night, why are you up at this time? Do you drink? Can't be that hot there. You have bad reading and comprehension skills yourself, (not saying I do) you like to twist what is said, you should work for a political campaign. You twist things but never address what is said. You think everything I say about you is a jab, but won't accept it for the truth.
Originally posted by sardonyx247: ) you like to twist what is said, you should work for a political campaign. You twist things but never address what is said. You think everything I say about you is a jab, but won't accept it for the truth.
My web page at that time stated I had a $10 minimum and you ordered something for $6. I charged you $8 to split the difference. Yes I could have charged you $10.
This is the truth. Your hatred towards me all goes back to you and your poor reading and comprehension skills. I do not see in any way shape or form that I have twisted the truth. My web page clearly stated I had a $10 minimum on a credit card orders and by you placing an order you agreed to those terms. Why do you keep bashing me for this? Again: Send me your address and I'll refund you that $2.
------------------ Rodney Dickman
Fiero Parts And Acc's Web Page: All new web page!:www.rodneydickman.com Rodney Dickman's Fiero accessories 7604 Treeview Drive Caledonia, WI 53108 Phone/Fax (262) 835-9575
Just to prove your reading and comprehension are just that bad, go over old posts, it was $1. FTW And to prove even more, in my order, I told you how your site was misspelled, you skipped over that and didn't fix it.
Either way, Slammed I hope you continue this project.
Good thing I did not charge you the whole $10. I could only imagine the backlash I would have gotten these last 12+ years had I charged you $10 for that order.
PS: I was guessing on the $2 amount. It's not like I have a photographic memory or keep notes on this. But I should remember. You bring it up on a regular basis and I have no doubt you will bring it up again and again in the future until one of us dies.
PSS: I don't know of any vendor that makes a product that people like and are happy to purchase just because some on a public forum state their opinions. It is sad this person is so weak that he gives up because of the posts made on this forum. No one is stopping this person from making and selling this product.
------------------ Rodney Dickman
Fiero Parts And Acc's Web Page: All new web page!:www.rodneydickman.com Rodney Dickman's Fiero accessories 7604 Treeview Drive Caledonia, WI 53108 Phone/Fax (262) 835-9575
There is NO product and when there was a product it was unattainable to the vast majority of people. There is no logic in supporting unscrupulous, irresponsible, unreliable and moral less wannabe vendors and chastising a vendor that has constantly served the Fiero community with excellent service and good products for years. This type of behavior exposes your character your inability to make good decisions and clearly shows your level of intelligence. To these people I say; good vendors are not your enemies your real enemy was the public school system.
There is NO product and when there was a product it was unattainable to the vast majority of people. There is no logic in supporting unscrupulous, irresponsible, unreliable and moral less wannabe vendors and chastising a vendor that has constantly served the Fiero community with excellent service and good products for years. This type of behavior exposes your character your inability to make good decisions and clearly shows your level of intelligence. To these people I say; good vendors are not your enemies your real enemy was the public school system.
He provided me with real bad service, thus my opinion, I am entitled to that. I could go on, but I am done. I do agree with the public school systems, now a days it has gotten bad, I do agree there.
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It scares me to think what these same people would tolerate or sacrifice in order to acquire something that's actually required... such as food and shelter.
Couldn't say it better myself, big time. 
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