Trevor, STFU. If you like it so much over here, go there and f'ing stay there.
Oh and BTW, it's "get-a-clue" time for Trevor: YOU group yourself with them by hanging out there, and coming here defending the place. YOU DO, get it?
Calm Down Princess
Seems Trevor Was Helping Cliff Here ..So Yeah Maybe You Should "STFU"
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I dont understand how people can "get off" from wrecking other peoples life. Cliff, clearly you have been bothered by this mess. All you have done is create a friendly forum for 13,000+ enthusiest...and now some stupid kids are trying to ruin it. I agree with you Cliff on pursuing this. Sometimes something so small that seems like a joke will get you behind bars. I would like to see these kids pay for the stupidity of actions they have created.
I don't agree with this. Anyone has the right to go to and be a member of any web site they wish (agreeing that some "adult" sites for example require that you be of a certain age and all that). Just because some people decide to go and be a member on RFT doesn't automatically make them criminals when one or two members registered there decide to do soemthing illegal. If a member here on PFF went and did something illegal, it doesn't make you or me or any other member on here automatically linked to that event as well and guilty also.
Edit: Sorry Cliff. I was posting this reply when you were posting the message above.
Cliff mentioned that they posted links to RFT, that might make the moderators/owners liable. But that's for a lawyer to decide.
Speaking of...Cliff, do you need help finding a lawyer? Question two: since your servers are phyisically located in the Netherlands, wouldn't the lawsuit need to originate there?
Originally posted by fierobear: Cliff mentioned that they posted links to RFT, that might make the moderators/owners liable. But that's for a lawyer to decide.
Speaking of...Cliff, do you need help finding a lawyer? Question two: since your servers are phyisically located in the Netherlands, wouldn't the lawsuit need to originate there?
I don't think it would. like if i robbed a 7/11 and then graffetted www.yahoo.com all over the walls, I don't think yahoo would be prosocuted for the crimes.
I don't think it would. like if i robbed a 7/11 and then graffetted www.yahoo.com all over the walls, I don't think yahoo would be prosocuted for the crimes.
You are overlooking one fact, posted by Aaron himself:
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AaronZ34: It was Stuart, Shaun, Product, and I
That might MAKE them (and RFT) liable.
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...and people give me s*** for pointing out how bad the Septic Tank is, how they cause Cliff problems. How many times do we have to say these guys are a-holes?
Oh, and to you dickheads that keep coming over here, telling us how great it is over there...why don't you stay the f* over there and quit wasting our time.
I guess every forum has to have at least one vigilante.Though I've never seen one person before have a mob mentality.I'm not really sure,have you ever said anything nice about anybody?Since when is a whole group of people responsible for the stupid actions of a few.I don't like everybody over there,but then again I don't like everybody here either.If you got a ticket you felt was undeserved would that make every cop or police organization corrupt?I for one am tired of your vitriolic dribble and wouldn't miss you at all if you should leave.This is all I will say on this matter except to tell Cliff that I will help in any way possible.
Originally posted by hugh: I guess every forum has to have at least one vigilante.Though I've never seen one person before have a mob mentality.I'm not really sure,have you ever said anything nice about anybody?Since when is a whole group of people responsible for the stupid actions of a few.I don't like everybody over there,but then again I don't like everybody here either.If you got a ticket you felt was undeserved would that make every cop or police organization corrupt?I for one am tired of your vitriolic dribble and wouldn't miss you at all if you should leave.This is all I will say on this matter except to tell Cliff that I will help in any way possible.
I simply don't understand why you guys come here and defend RFT. If you like it there, fine, go there and keep it there.
And yes, I say plenty of encouraging words to plenty of people...ones who DESERVE it.
You are overlooking one fact, posted by Aaron himself:
[QUOTE]AaronZ34: It was Stuart, Shaun, Product, and I
That might MAKE them (and RFT) liable.
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i still don't see how that would make rft liable? shuan is a co owner of rft right? shuan also owns a fiero, his fiero wont be held liable just because he owns it.
product isnt a mod on rft, aaron was banned from rft, and i dont even know who stuart is. still this was the action of 4 people. 4 humans. rft is just a webpage. where 3 of those people go to. but so does another thousand people. the forums that the colobine highschool kids where not held reliable, just because they visisted them, I am missing ur point or connection here i think.
i still don't see how that would make rft liable? shuan is a co owner of rft right? shuan also owns a fiero, his fiero wont be held liable just because he owns it.
product isnt a mod on rft, aaron was banned from rft, and i dont even know who stuart is. still this was the action of 4 people. 4 humans. rft is just a webpage. where 3 of those people go to. but so does another thousand people. the forums that the colobine highschool kids where not held reliable, just because they visisted them, I am missing ur point or connection here i think.
I said MAYBE. I'm not a lawyer, I don't know. But I'll help Cliff pay for one.
Cliff, keep us up to date on the paypal and lawyer situation. If you need help finding a lawyer, I'll start looking.
I simply don't understand why you guys come here and defend RFT. If you like it there, fine, go there and keep it there.
And yes, I say plenty of encouraging words to plenty of people...ones who DESERVE it.
I don't think you get it, I don't think huge is even a member there is he? maybe I dunno. what everyone is trying to tell you. is that just because we visit other internet forums, doesnt mean we cant visit this one, u keep telling us to go to rft and not to come back to pennocks, anyone has the right to visit whatever forums they choose. are u not understanding that? please stop telling us where to go on the internet, just because YOU don't happend to like one of the sites some of us visit.
and please stop grouping everyone that visits real fiero tech, aas being a bad person.
No, Trevor, YOU don't get it. Let me explain it...one more time.
You come here and try to defend RFT. If you want to come here and talk Fieros, great. If you want to go there and talk about whatever the hell you talk about, that's your business. But would you PLEASE STOP defending RFT while you are HERE? Do you get that?
Let's stop discussing this here. Cliff asked for no unrelated discussion in this thread. Go to PM or the General thread if you have to continue.
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Originally posted by fierobear: No, Trevor, YOU don't get it. Let me explain it...one more time.
You come here and try to defend RFT. If you want to come here and talk Fieros, great. If you want to go there and talk about whatever the hell you talk about, that's your business. But would you PLEASE STOP defending RFT while you are HERE? Do you get that?
Let's stop discussing this here. Cliff asked for no unrelated discussion in this thread. Go to PM or the General thread if you have to continue.
so its OK for you to come here and TRASH RFT and blame EVERYONE for the actions of a FEW people. but it is not ok for me to come here and EXPLAIN that only 4 people where invloved and not the initre forum of rft??
thats pretty onesided, why is ok for you and not me? and when did u start making the pennocks fiero forum rules? i was unaware that cliff put u in charge of telling me what we could or could not post. and for your information i am not defending real fiero tech. I was simply explaing to you. "the only person to blame all of real fiero tech" that it was not somthing done on behalf of the site, but that it was done by 4 indivdiuals. one not even a member of rft. if u took the time to go to rft, u would see that even the members there. think that what those 4 people did was childish and dumb, and just strait up stupid and ****ed up.
if u want to take it to pm then me me, dont post ur messege here then ask me to pm you. u can also reach me on aim at usmctrevor or my email at trevorbborden@gmail.com
You should consider a class action, or name all the parties who did it, and be sure that RFT and it's owner(s) and moderator(s) are included. It's time these poor excuses for human beings PAY for their bullshit.
blame anyone thats ever had contact with them, just like some horrible airborn disease.. BRILLIANT..
while Aaron is a sort of disease, like flesh eating bacteria. his actions in no way are related to anyone else on any other forum he's been on just because he's been on that forum before.
edit : taking any more of this elsewhere
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I am very angered by this and I understand how you must feel, Cliff. I fail to understand the mentality of people like this 'pretty boy'. I know that legal action is a much safer and more effective way than physical action but I would sure love to wipe the floor with this dude's face.
Please keep us posted on any proceedings. I can't wait to see some vindication for this BS. Best of luck.
Cliff What this guy did is just childish... i mean we know we are all guilty of doing something for a few good laughs but defacing someones business is just plain unacceptable. Work and play are to be seperated and this site is one mans work where play should not be unless it is safe and harmless play under his watch. If you do create a paypal account i will gladly donate what i can. Best of Luck to Ya. and if anyone happens to live in that mans area they should pay him a visit and say "thanks" for all that he has done :wink:
Get a layer first....that is the number one step to getting this all taken care of.
Matter of fact you can contact a company called "Pre Paid Legal Services Inc." 1-800-654-7757 They are a massive company with law firms all over the world. The service has a small monthly fee ($36.00) and you have a layer on call whenever you need them. And yes you can use the service as soon as you sign up.
They are a great company and I have been with them for years. They give you true legal freedom.
Just a thought
I have some money here to help you also. Just tell me where to send it.
I guess every forum has to have at least one vigilante.Though I've never seen one person before have a mob mentality.I'm not really sure,have you ever said anything nice about anybody?Since when is a whole group of people responsible for the stupid actions of a few.I don't like everybody over there,but then again I don't like everybody here either.If you got a ticket you felt was undeserved would that make every cop or police organization corrupt?I for one am tired of your vitriolic dribble and wouldn't miss you at all if you should leave.This is all I will say on this matter except to tell Cliff that I will help in any way possible.
This post sums up Fierobear PERFECT! I do not understand how Fierobear comes to these conclusions. I do not condone what these people did to Cliff's business. I feel that Cliff should do whatever he feels necessary to go after these individuals.
I think I have as good a chance of being sued because I'm a moderator of a certain forum as Fierobear does for slandering an entire forum. Not going to happen.
Fierobear, you are stiring up tensions at one of the worst possible times. Please think before you post. Your mob mentality will get you in trouble some day.
i tried, you tried, hughe tried, koburn tried, it doesnt matter if every single person on this forum tried. some people are never wrong. and only belive what they want. and wont listen to anyone else. its pointless
i tried, you tried, hughe tried, koburn tried, it doesnt matter if every single person on this forum tried. some people are never wrong. and only belive what they want. and wont listen to anyone else. its pointless
No, Trevor, YOU guys don't get it. STOP defending RFT here. The majority of us don't like RFT, we don't go there, we don't care how much you guys like it there. If you like it there, stay there. While you are here, STFU about RFT. You're not going to convince us that it's a great place as long as all the bullshit keeps happening.
Ok, time for a serious question. Why don't you guys (who go to both forums and aren't banned here) just try to make THIS forum better? What's so damned impossible about making PFF's tech forum better?
Originally posted by fierobear: No, Trevor, YOU guys don't get it. STOP defending RFT here. The majority of us don't like RFT, we don't go there, we don't care how much you guys like it there. If you like it there, stay there. While you are here, STFU about RFT. You're not going to convince us that it's a great place as long as all the bullshit keeps happening.
This isn't about RFT, its about you and your mob mentality.
You keep telling others that they don't get it but ultimately you are the one that does not get it. How many people have to tell you that you are wrong before you DO get it?
The fact you even bring up suing an entire forum for what 4 a$$holes did is ridiculous. They may have linked to rft in their spam but they in no way shape or form represent rft. They don’t represent ANY forum, they are just thugs plain and simple. You should be able to see this for yourself but I have overestimated people before.
You keep telling others that they don't get it but ultimately you are the one that does not get it. How many people have to tell you that you are wrong before you DO get it?
All by people who like RFT. Whatever.
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The fact you even bring up suing an entire forum for what 4 a$$holes did is ridiculous. They may have linked to rft in their spam but they in no way shape or form represent rft. They don’t represent ANY forum, they are just thugs plain and simple. You should be able to see this for yourself but I have overestimated people before.
I said MIGHT be liable. Read what I write, not what you think I wrote.
Enough has been said about the septic tank. The rest is up to Cliff.
Originally posted by fierobear: No, Trevor, YOU guys don't get it. STOP defending RFT here. The majority of us don't like RFT, we don't go there, we don't care how much you guys like it there. If you like it there, stay there. While you are here, STFU about RFT. You're not going to convince us that it's a great place as long as all the bullshit keeps happening.
Ok, time for a serious question. Why don't you guys (who go to both forums and aren't banned here) just try to make THIS forum better? What's so damned impossible about making PFF's tech forum better?
the majority hate rft huh? I have seen a small number of people that do hate rft. mostly I see ration thought from peolple saying they blame the people that did it. and not everuone thats a member of rft. u want to sue everyone related to rft.
i never tried to coninve anyone rft is a greatplace, I was simply saying the rft forum itself is not to blame, but a few individuals are, and that the rest of us that visit rft had nothing to do with what happend.
can u please stop telling me where to say, or what to or not to discuss here, when u own this forum, then u can tell me what to do.
convince US who is US? am I now only a member of rft, and not part of pennocks becuse i visit rft?
I am a member of this forum as well. and I am not trying to convice myself or anyone else of anything. I was just trying to say that because 3-4 people spammed cliffs forum, that ur idea to sue every person related to or moderating real fiero tech "innocent people that had no idea or anything to do with it" was a dumb idea.
and if ur going to tell me to stop talking about RFT why don't u stop talking about it? I only bring it up when u say somthing dumb like HEY SUE EVERY INNOCENT PERSON ON RFT THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT HAPPEND, BECAUSE THEY ARE A MODERATOR THERE!!
WELL DIDNT SOMEONE SAY ONE OF THE FOUR GUYS IS A CO-OWNER OF RFT? CAUSE IF SO THEN I THINK FIEROBEAR IS RIGHT. AN ACTION SHOULD BE TAKEN AGAINST RFT.... NOT ALL OF ITS USERS THOU. JUST AGAINST THE OWNERS BECAUSE IF ONE OF THE OWNERS DID REALLY HELP WITH THIS THEN THAT SITE NEEDS TO BE TAKEN DOWN AND HE NEEDS TO BE SUED NOT THE WHOLE FORUM. BUT I AGREE EFF RFT. DONT TALK ABOUT ANOTHER FORUM ON ITS RIVAL FORUM ITS JUST STUPID.
to fierobear and whoever else that feels this way:
i am not a frequenter of RFT. i believe that i may have a login there, but i rarely go there. (i just went there, and i do NOT have a login. so aside from my visit at around the time of this posting i have not been there for some time)
for the rest of the forum that does not visit RFT, i believe that they would not want you representing them in such a way. when you say "we" please be specific, cause i want nothing to do with your representation in this matter. "We" can handle ourselves, thank you.
taken to pm.
