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The evidence against anthropogenic global warming by fierobear
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COSMOS did a full episode on climate change, you can watch it here: COSMOS - The World Set Free

2 minute excerpt on weather vs climate from the episode:

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New EPA rules for existing power plants in the USA and China emissions cap announcement on the same day.

Article: China pledges to limit carbon emissions for first time
"China, the world's biggest greenhouse gas emitter, will limit its total emissions for the first time by the end of this decade, according to a top government advisor."

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Companies supporting the new EPA standards:
"In response to today’s release of a new Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) standard to limit carbon pollution from existing power plants, 128 companies and 49 investors, managing $800 billion in assets, sent letters of support to the Obama Administration, and to Senate and House majority and minority leaders. The letters were coordinated by the nonprofit sustainability advocacy organization, Ceres."
Source.

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Here is the real problem we have.
 
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The rule will push the U.S. closer to the 17 percent reduction by 2020 it promised other countries at the start of Obama's presidency, it will fall far short of the global reductions scientists say are needed to stabilize the planet's temperature. That's because U.S. fossil-fueled power plants account for 6 percent of global carbon dioxide emissions.

The rest of the world accounts for the other 94%. Until they decide to reduce their emissions, our contribution and sacrifice is meaningless and just a waste of our efforts and money.
http://news.msn.com/us/obam...on-comes-with-perils
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Originally posted by ray b:


not in science but in NEWS STORYS ABOUT SCIENCE
AS THEY ARE NOT WRITTEN BY SCIENTISTS BUT BY MASS MEDIA WRITERS
WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND SCIENCE



Where is the protest from the scientists and scientific organizations stating that their work is being misrepresented by the pro-Global Warming side?

You have an interesting theory, but I see nothing to back it up.
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Another reason we are having such a spike in CO2 emissions is because we are slash and burning whole forests and not replacing them. Plants are what absorb CO2 from the atmosphere. The greener we make the planet, the better off we are.

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Originally posted by avengador1:

Here is the real problem we have.
The rest of the world accounts for the other 94%. Until they decide to reduce their emissions, our contribution and sacrifice is meaningless and just a waste of our efforts and money.
http://news.msn.com/us/obam...on-comes-with-perils


Use your brain. Powerplants are one source only. The U.S. accounts for more like 20% of Co2 emmissions.

But you are probably right the U.S. seems to be transitioning from a leader to a follower. All hail China.

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From the article I posted.
"That's because U.S. fossil-fueled power plants account for 6 percent of global carbon dioxide emissions. "

Use your eyes.


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Pentagon wrestles with bogus climate warnings as funds shifted to green agenda

http://p.washingtontimes.co...imate-predictions-a/

Ten years ago, the Pentagon paid for a climate study that put forth many scary scenarios.
Consultants told the military that, by now, California would be flooded by inland seas, The Hague would be unlivable, polar ice would be mostly gone in summer, and global temperatures would rise at an accelerated rate as high as 0.5 degrees a year.

None of that has happened.
Yet the 2003 report, “An Abrupt Climate Change Scenario and Its Implications for United States National Security,” is credited with kick-starting the movement that, to this day and perhaps with more vigor than ever, links climate change to national security.
The report also became gospel to climate change doomsayers, who predicted pervasive and more intense hurricanes, tornadoes, floods and droughts.

“The release of this report is what likely sparked the ‘modern era’ of security interest in climate affairs,” said Jeff Kueter, president of the George C. Marshall Institute, a nonprofit that examines scientific issues that affect public policy.
“It was widely publicized and very much a tool of the political battles over climate raging at the time,” said Mr. Kueter, who sees as “tenuous” a link between U.S. security and climate change.

Doug Randall, who co-authored the Pentagon report, said, “Even I’m surprised at how often it’s referred to.

“I think it did have an impact, for sure, in getting people talking and seeing the connection, which at that time was harder for some people than it is today,” said Mr. Randall, who heads the consulting firm Monitor 360.
Some critics say such alarmist reports are causing the Pentagon to shift money that could be used for weapons and readiness. It is making big investments in biofuels, for example, and is working climate change into high-level strategic planning.
There is no exact budget line for climate change. The Government Accountability Office in 2011 documented a big increase in federal spending, from $4.6 billion in 2003 to nearly $9 billion in 2010.

Sen. James M. Inhofe of Oklahoma, the top Republican on the Senate Committee on Armed Services, has been the chief congressional critic of the Pentagon’s financial commitment to climate change. He said biofuel projects should be left to the Energy Department.

“The president’s misguided priorities with our national security can be seen in the $1 trillion defense cuts he has put into motion since taking office and then using the limited defense budget to support his green agenda,” Mr. Inhofe said in a statement to The Washington Times. “His green spending in the defense budget is based on the belief that climate change is the ‘new weapon of mass destruction.’ In the meantime the president has loosened sanctions on Iran, [which] has maintained their resources to develop and launch a nuclear weapon — the real weapon of mass destruction.”

Predictions vs. reality
The 2003 report was produced by a consulting firm, then called the Global Business Network, for the Pentagon’s office of net assessment. It is a driving force to allocate money to counter global threats — in this case, climate change.

Under the section “Warming up to 2010,” here are some of the report’s key scenarios, compared with what has transpired:
• By 2005, “more severe storms and typhoons bring about higher storm surges and floods.”
Today: The most recent U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report said it has “low confidence” of an increase in hurricanes or tornadoes. The U.S. is likely experiencing fewer tornadoes compared with 50 years ago, according to data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. This year’s tornado season was historically low.
The U.N. report said: “No robust trends in annual numbers of tropical storms, hurricanes and major hurricane counts have been identified over the past 100 years in the North Atlantic basin.”

In December, Roger Pielke, a scientist who has conducted extensive analysis of storm history, told a Senate panel: “There exists exceedingly little scientific support for claims found in the media and political debate that hurricanes, tornadoes, floods and droughts have increased in frequency or intensity on climate timescales either in the United States or globally.”
The U.S. has not experienced a major hurricane in nearly 10 years.

• Global temperatures will increase by 0.5 degrees Fahrenheit per decade and, in some areas, 0.5 degrees per year.
Today: Scientists skeptical of man-made climate change say satellite data show there has been no increase in 17 years. The Environmental Protection Agency, a strong climate change advocate, puts the decade increase at 0.3 degrees.
• There will be more floods, making coastal cities such as The Hague “unlivable” by 2007.

Today: The Hague is still livable.

The United Nations said this year: “There continues to be a lack of evidence and thus low confidence regarding the sign of trend in the magnitude and/or frequency of floods on a global scale.”
• “Floating ice in the northern polar seas is mostly gone during the summer by 2010.”
Today: Arctic sea ice remains. Warming in the polar region has reduced the ice extent, from 2.8 million square miles at its yearly summer minimum in 1979, when satellite measuring began, to 2.1 million square miles in 2013, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center.

• Sacramento River levees will fail, creating “an inland sea” in California that “disrupts the aqueduct system transporting water.”
Today: There are no inland seas in California.

‘A [false] sense of urgency’

Mr. Randall’s consultant’s report called on the Department of Defense to act, calling the scenarios “not implausible.”
“There appears to be general agreement in the scientific community that an extreme case like the one depicted below is not implausible,” the report said. “Many scientists would regard this scenario as extreme both in how soon it develops [and] how large, rapid and ubiquitous the climate changes are. But history tells us that sometimes the extreme cases do occur and it is DOD’s job to consider such scenarios.”

Asked about his scenarios for the 2003-2010 period, Mr. Randall said in an interview: “The report was really looking at worst-case. And when you are looking at worst-case 10 years out, you are not trying to predict precisely what’s going to happen but instead trying to get people to understand what could happen to motivate strategic decision-making and wake people up. But whether the actual specifics came true, of course not. That never was the main intent.”

Skeptics say the problem with such alarmist reports is that they become the playbook for the aggressive global warming movement, which repeats the scenarios as fact. President Obama last week predicted the world will experience more intense storms more frequently, even though U.N. scientists have not found that it is happening.

Said the Marshall Institute’s Mr. Kueter: “The real danger is that it bestows a sense of urgency that is not warranted and can lead to the dangerous expansion of U.S. security concerns, inappropriately applied resources and diversion of attention from more effective responses to known environmental challenges.”

The Pentagon’s latest Quadrennial Defense Review, its policy paper on threats and how to deal with them, cites increased storms as a danger.
The QDR stated: “As greenhouse gas emissions increase, sea levels are rising, average global temperatures are increasing, and severe weather patterns are accelerating.”
The QDR said this supposed trend, coupled with “more affluent populations and substantial economic growth will devastate homes, land and infrastructure.”
On Tuesday, the Pentagon issued a press article with the headline, “Climate Change Affects National Defense Decisions, Official Says.”
It quoted Daniel Y. Chiu, deputy assistant secretary of defense for strategy, who told a Senate panel, “We’re working to take into consideration the impacts of climate change in our longer-term planning scenarios.”
As for the 2010-2020 decade, the Randall report says, in part: “The effects of the drought are more devastating than the unpleasantness of temperature decreases in the agricultural and populated areas. With the persistent reduction of precipitation in these areas, lakes dry up, river flow decreases, and freshwater supply is squeezed, overwhelming available conservation options and depleting freshwater reserves.”

The Times asked the Pentagon whether it is basing climate change spending on alarmist reports.
A spokesman said: “The Department is incorporating consideration of likely future scenarios in planning to mitigate risk. Its responses to climate change range from the DOD Arctic Strategy — which is focused on increased engagement and stability in a region that is already seeing increased activity — to a new floodplain-management policy that directs minimization of new construction in floodplains. Even our approach to energy efficiency is focused on mission benefits and monetary savings, with carbon reductions as a side effect.”

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Another example of "fudging" (LIEING) to support the global warming agenda...


Polar bear stats fudged ‘to satisfy public demand,’ researchers say

http://p.washingtontimes.co...-public-demand-rese/

Polar bear population counts are estimates only, derived from the most “rudimentary” of scientific knowledge and made up largely to meet the expectations of the public, researchers said in an email to a science blogger.

Dag Vongraven, chairman of the International Union for Conservation of Nature’s Polar Bear Specialist Group, sent an email to Polar Bear Science blogger Susan Crockford to clarify that a report that’s about to go public to give updates on the animal’s worldwide population level contains estimates, not hard facts.

“As part of past status reports, the PBSG has traditionally estimated a range for the total number of polar bears in the circumpolar Arctic. Since 2005, this range has been 20-25,000,” the email citing the report’s footnote stated, Newsmax said. “It is important to realize that this range never has been an estimate of total abundance in a scientific sense, but simply a qualified guess given to satisfy public demand. It is also important to note that even though we have scientifically valid estimates for a majority of the subpopulations, some are dated.”

The emailed note also said that researches only have limited knowledge when it comes to the population count of the bears, Newsmax reported.

“Consequently, there is either no, or only rudimentary, knowledge to support guesses about the possible abundance of polar bears in approximately half the areas they occupy,” the note stated, Newsmax reported. “Thus, the range given for total global population should be viewed with great caution as it cannot be used to assess population trend over the long term.”


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Originally posted by avengador1:

From the article I posted.
"That's because U.S. fossil-fueled power plants account for 6 percent of global carbon dioxide emissions. "

Use your eyes.



C'mon engage your brain, it's only one source. 6% from Fossil Fuel plants means there are about 14% in other sources in the U.S. alone. Your point was the old one of if we reduce and other coutries don't then it won't matter anyways.

20% is a major portion to show leadership with.

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Originally posted by avengador1:

From the article I posted.
"That's because U.S. fossil-fueled power plants account for 6 percent of global carbon dioxide emissions. "

Use your eyes.



From your earlier post,

 
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The rest of the world accounts for the other 94%.


The rest of the world does not account for 94%.
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BEAR LOVES TO QUOTE THE WASHINGTON TIMES

A TOTAL LOONIE MOONIE OWNED NEWSPAPER
WITH A HARDER RIGHTWING NUT-CON SPIN THEN FOX NEWS

DO THE NUT CON'S EVER POST LINKS TO REAL NEWS ?
OR JUST NUT CON SPIN ?
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Originally posted by fierobear:

...snip


Seems they forgot to read the preface the title states Imagining the Unthinkable

 
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The purpose of this report is to imagine the unthinkable – to push the boundaries of current research on climate change so we may better understand the potential implications on United States national security.
We have interviewed leading climate change scientists, conducted additional research, and reviewed several iterations of the scenario with these experts. The scientists support this project, but caution that the scenario depicted is extreme in two fundamental ways. First, they suggest the occurrences we outline would most likely happen in a few regions, rather than on globally. Second, they say the magnitude of the event may be considerably smaller.
We have created a climate change scenario that although not the most likely, is plausible, and would challenge United States national security in ways that should be considered immediately.


http://www.climate.org/PDF/..._change_scenario.pdf


 
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This report suggests that, because of the potentially dire consequences, the risk of abrupt climate change, although uncertain and quite possibly small, should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to a U.S. national security concern.

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"The rest of the world does not account for 94%."
But they do account for the vast majority. We are but one country in the world. We may be one of the biggest contributors to global warming but, even if we did everything we could do to remedy this, it would only have a very minor impact, especially if the rest of the world does not implement these changes too. We can't carry the weight of the rest of the world on our shoulders. Anyone who doesn't realize this is a fool.
We don't know what the tipping point for global warming may be or even if there is one, but we do know that once it is reached it may be too late to do anything about it.

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Originally posted by avengador1:

"The rest of the world does not account for 94%."
But they do account for the vast majority. We are but one country in the world. We may be one of the biggest contributors to global warming but, even if we did everything we could do to remedy this, it would only have a very minor impact, especially if the rest of the world does not implement these changes too. We can't carry the weight of the rest of the world on our shoulders. Anyone who doesn't realize this is a fool.
We don't know what the tipping point for global warming may be or even if there is one, but we do know that once it is reached it may be too late to do anything about it.



On one hand you say the U.S. is one of the biggest contributers and then argue the U.S. can do nothing to remedy it.

Deniers logic is fascinating. Good thing you weren't a city planner or you'd probably still be pooping in a river.

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Originally posted by avengador1:

"The rest of the world does not account for 94%."
But they do account for the vast majority. We are but one country in the world. We may be one of the biggest contributors to global warming but, even if we did everything we could do to remedy this, it would only have a very minor impact, especially if the rest of the world does not implement these changes too. We can't carry the weight of the rest of the world on our shoulders. Anyone who doesn't realize this is a fool.


The US is one of the few (or maybe the only) market that is both large enough and with enough resources to make a meaningful difference in this regard.

 
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We don't know what the tipping point for global warming may be or even if there is one, but we do know that once it is reached it may be too late to do anything about it.



...This is exactly why things need to be done sooner rather than later - because we don't want cross the tipping point.
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Name any major weather event and I'll bet I can find a news story attributing it to Global Warming with a simple Google search.


Nice straw man argument. Who needs to discuss the scientific evidence when you can complain about the media.

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"On one hand you say the U.S. is one of the biggest contributers and then argue the U.S. can do nothing to remedy it. "

Being one of the biggest doesn't make one the biggest. I think China has us beat real easy when it comes to that. Our environmental and air pollution laws have been in place since the late sixties, they have just started to take the first steps in making their own. I also didn't say we could do nothing, we already are and have been for decades. What I said is that what we are doing is meaningless if the rest of the world does not do the same. Us going at it alone won't solve anything.
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350th...so how many does it take to become average?
How far back are they measuring, did they include their "60,000" year ice age? etc...

http://geography.howstuffwo...iations/ice-age1.htm
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350th...so how many does it take to become average?

The stat is referring to the 20th century average. Source (Report: Global / Year: 2014 / Month: April).
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Nice straw man argument. Who needs to discuss the scientific evidence when you can complain about the media.



Your post might have made sense if you were not quoting those same news articles. The Alarmist scientists are at best complicit in the misinformation or at worst fanning the flames of the hysteria.

Swing and a miss.

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Your post might have made sense if you were not quoting those same news articles.

Find one example.

 
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The Alarmist scientists are at best complicit in the misinformation or at worst fanning the flames of the hysteria.

I agree, that's why we call them deniers.
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Originally posted by FlyinFieros:

Find one example.



Do you even read the crap that you post? Probably not since it looks like 80%+ of your posts are in this thread alone. This is obviously something very personal to you.

I don't even have to leave this page to find an example. This post links to an article that cites a scientist making remarks on the political process not on any scientific finding or fact. Abuse of scientific authority is obvious.
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...57033-112.html#p4442
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Doug Parr, Greenpeace UK's chief scientist, said that the move by China, so shortly after the US announcement, showed "momentum" in the climate talks process.

“In the last 24 hours we’ve had two major announcements from China and the US which send a powerful signal to other world leaders ahead of crucial climate talks later this year. The Chinese government has already set out ambitious plans to cut the country’s reliance on coal – an additional cap on CO2 suggests the country’s leaders are serious about tackling their emission problem," he said. . . .

If that was a reference to these remarks from Doug Parr, then there is no deception or abuse. He is clearly talking about announcements from the U.S. and China governments, about new programs to limit carbon emissions.

"Abuse of scientific authority..?" That's bafflegab. This Doug Parr (I assume this is the scientist that was just singled out) is not speaking in an official capacity for the U.K. government. He is speaking for Greenpeace. He's the Greenpeace (UK) "chief scientist". If Greenpeace wanted to hire an auto mechanic and designate that person the "Chief Scientist for Greenpeace", that would be their organization's prerogative. But in this context, Doug Parr could just as well be a scientist appointed by the U.K. government. No foul, either way. He's not presenting these specific remarks as "science".

Scientific findings, results and data? Best to be more particular about how and where you find that.

There's no deception here from FlyinFieros. He was reporting the buzz about what appears to be a decision by the China government to set programs in place in an attempt to limit carbon emissions. He was very straightforward about that.

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Your post might have made sense if you were not quoting those same news articles. The Alarmist scientists are at best complicit in the misinformation or at worst fanning the flames of the hysteria.

Swing and a miss.



I continued to be amazed how deniers believe that scientists are "in it" to bring mass hysteria...for what exactly? For money?

Again, you are horribly misguided to think that most scientists became scientists to get rich, there are much easier paths to do that.
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Do you even read the crap that you post?

Your unsubstantiated opinion that my posts are 'crap' is more revealing than you probably realize.

I work hard to ensure the information I pass along here is valid, informative, with a high degree of scientific backing. This often includes chasing down original sources and verifying context isn't being abused. Of course I read my sources. Do you read any of it? Or do you just write off practically the entire scientific community with some wacky conspiracy theory?

You seem to prefer political opinions with zero scientific or logical backing. You also seem more concerned with posting insulting political rhetoric with zero accountability than discussing evidence.

It's ironic you consider the scientific evidence I post 'crap' when you rely on political opinions and baseless rhetoric. Sorry, but I wont be lowering my standards to please your opinion.

 
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Probably not… This is obviously something very personal to you.

This doesn't even make sense.

It's very personal to me but I don't read any of it? How is that personal?

Never been sky diving, apparently that's personal to me.

 
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since it looks like 80%+ of your posts are in this thread alone.

Just my way of turning this eyesore of a thread into something not so embarrassing.

 
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I don't even have to leave this page to find an example. This post links to an article that cites a scientist making remarks on the political process not on any scientific finding or fact. Abuse of scientific authority is obvious.

"Swing and a miss"

Do I need to remind you what you're looking for?
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Again, you are horribly misguided to think that most scientists became scientists to get rich, there are much easier paths to do that.

Reminds me of this.

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I continued to be amazed how deniers believe that scientists are "in it" to bring mass hysteria...for what exactly? For money?

Again, you are horribly misguided to think that most scientists became scientists to get rich, there are much easier paths to do that.



I never said they became scientists to get rich. It is undeniable that there is funding specifically for Global Warming research. The conclusion of any study is guarenteed by the money going into them. Come to a different conclusion and lose your funding and get attacked by your "peers".

The scientists labelled as "deniers" are refused funding for their research. Even the tenured professors are silenced when their work is defunded.
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I never said they became scientists to get rich. It is undeniable that there is funding specifically for Global Warming research. The conclusion of any study is guarenteed by the money going into them. Come to a different conclusion and lose your funding and get attacked by your "peers".

The scientists labelled as "deniers" are refused funding for their research. Even the tenured professors are silenced when their work is defunded.

Any specific examples of where this happened?

If Dr. Smith publishes an experiment that he says is further evidence of anthropogenic global warming, and Dr. Jones is able to see a flaw in Dr. Smith's data, methods or conclusions, that opens the way for Dr. Jones to publish a critique of Dr. Smith's results, and that goes onto her professional resume.

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Originally posted by FlyinFieros:

"Swing and a miss"

Do I need to remind you what you're looking for?


LOL

www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/H...57033-110.html#p4368

From the video you posted:
"Extreme weather events are man made."

You lose.
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German scientists weigh in with their analysis:

Even the very latest announcements on carbon reductions from Obama and (expected soon) from China, if achieved, not enough to stop a global warming of 3 to 4.6 degrees Celsius by 2100.

http://america.aljazeera.co...n-climate-talks.html
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From the video you posted:
"Extreme weather events are man made."

Fox News said that, not Steven Colbert.

You think I posted a Steven Colbert video to endorse a Fox News clip he was making fun of? Are you aware his show is a parody news show, on Comedy Central?

Ironic you would complain about Fox News when you have no problem personally citing them despite blatant logical flaws.

 
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You lose.

It's cute how you think you're doing good.
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It's cute how you think you're doing good.


Nice try.

You still posted it. You challenged me. You lost.
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German scientists weigh in with their analysis:


Found the original source.

Good info, that website will be a good resource for me. Thanks.

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Nice try.

You still posted it. You challenged me. You lost.

Have a dictionary? Lookup the word parody.

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Have a dictionary? Lookup the word parody.

Here, have a link.
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Here's what I like to see, communities powering themselves.

Article: World first for community tidal scheme
"The world's first community-owned tidal power turbine in Scotland has started exporting electricity to the local grid, Energy Minister Fergus Ewing revealed today.

The turbine will power up to 30 homes, a locally owned ice plant and Cullivoe Harbour Industrial Estate on North Yell, Shetland."
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