There are some people here that if the temperature went up 50 degrees and the sea level went up 20 feet, they would say "so what? Co2 doesn't have anything to do with it. Fossil fuels have nothing to do with it.". It doesn't matter what facts you come up with, their mind is made up. It's the old saying, " don't confuse me with facts, my minds made up"
The Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature Study has created a preliminary merged data set by combining 1.6 billion temperature reports from 16 preexisting data archives.
In other words, all the fraudulent material from East Anglia, and the errant material from IPCC who they quote extensively
Nice try
There have been many criticisms of station quality. How can you be sure your results will be reliable if you are including stations that do not meet NOAA's criteria for station quality?
One of the elements that we have analyzed is temperature records from only the very best sites (as classified by Anthony Watts and his team) contrasted with the poorer sites. This analysis is in the paper "Earth Atmospheric Land Surface Temperature and Station Quality in the United States", available here.
Additionally, each of our 39,028 sites has been classified as urban or rural using the map published by the Modis satellite team, and have also used that classification to look for differences. The results of that analysis are in the paper "Influence of Urban Heating on the Global Temperature Land Average"
Is the urban heat island (UHI) effect real?
The Urban Heat Island effect is real. Berkeley’s analysis focused on the question of whether this effect biases the global land average. The results indicate that the urban heat island effect on our global estimate of land temperatures is indistinguishable from zero.
How does Berkeley data differ from other global temperature estimates?
Other major global land temperature reconstructions by NASA, NOAA, and the Hadley Center largely rely on the same set of monthly data from about 7,000 stations that comprise the Global Historical Climatological Network (GHCN-M). Berkeley makes use of data from over 36,000 stations. For any given month after 1880, the Berkeley dataset has between 2 times and 8 times the number of stations with data available compared to GHCN-M. Prior to 1880 Berkeley has about 20 to 50 percent more station records available for any given month.
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Originally posted by Arns85GT: You said "The BEST study reproduced their results using rural data alone." Wishful thinking. Look a their list of city locations berkeleyearth
Do you know what the word reproduced means?
I did not say BEST used ONLY rural data. BEST calculated the warming effect with the cities, then took the city stations out and got the same results. The existence of city data on their website doesn't change anything I said, only shows, yet again, how poorly you interpret.
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Originally posted by Arns85GT: They state as their methodology
The Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature Study has created a preliminary merged data set by combining 1.6 billion temperature reports from 16 preexisting data archives.
If you had 16 different teams, at different times, run out to the woods and do an experiment. And when all 16 teams came back they demonstrated the same result. What would you think? I would think result is pretty reliable because it is reproducible.
BEST is significant and definitive for one important reason: it shows that 16 independent data archives actually match and show the Earth is warming.
Look at how NASA, NOAA, Hadley, and Berkeley lay right on top of each other:
The BEST study shows a stunning agreement with results of previous studies. If the previous teams had committed acts of incompetence or fraud the data would not match at all.
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Originally posted by Arns85GT: In other words, all the fraudulent material from East Anglia, and the errant material from IPCC who they quote extensively
I'll state it again, BEST took all denier arguments into account because there was no point in releasing another study until someone did.
BEST addressed all the issues you have with East Anglia, IPCC, and other studies: urban heat - rural data shows the same warming poor station quality - 'poor' stations were analyzed separately from 'good' stations data selection - some previous studies used 20% of available data, BEST used 100% fraud or 'human intervention' - software does all the work
Because we only get one Earth and it's important we understand this issue correctly, BEST released all of their data and software for people to scrutinize.
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Originally posted by Arns85GT: Nice try
There is no try.
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Originally posted by dratts: It doesn't matter what facts you come up with, their mind is made up. It's the old saying, " don't confuse me with facts, my minds made up"
Maybe they know something I don't?
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Let's assume the modified hockey stick graph you keep posting is legit, (which it is not)
The Berkeley people say the land temperature has risen 0.911 degrees in the past 50 years, but, they have not tested ocean temperatures at all. The oceans and other bodies of water make up over 70% of the surface area of the globe. How do the oceans impact the land temperature samples? They don't say.
They also claim the Urban Island effect does not influence the numbers. Hmm....... They also claim sunspots are of no effect... Hmm....
Well, here is the sunspot activity
And here is the US Temperature history
Given the lag time from sunspot activity to changes on the earth's surface, how can they say sunspots are of no effect?
Looking at their own city temperature data it is clear the city temps have gone up substantially, so how could they not affect the findings?
(And, they are funded by notable Global Warming advocates BTW. )
Remember "garbage in, garbage out"? Re-use data that is proven to be faulty, deny data that is inconvenient, and then post something as though it is Gospel. Kind of the same old same old IMHO.
Sure the earth's temperature fluctuates and always has. There is not dire emergency here and if you really wanted to change the CO2 output by people, you'd have to go back 3 centuries.
Let's assume the modified hockey stick graph you keep posting is legit, (which it is not)
The Berkeley people say the land temperature has risen 0.911 degrees in the past 50 years, but, they have not tested ocean temperatures at all. The oceans and other bodies of water make up over 70% of the surface area of the globe. How do the oceans impact the land temperature samples? They don't say.
They also claim the Urban Island effect does not influence the numbers. Hmm....... They also claim sunspots are of no effect... Hmm....
Well, here is the sunspot activity
And here is the US Temperature history
Given the lag time from sunspot activity to changes on the earth's surface, how can they say sunspots are of no effect?
Looking at their own city temperature data it is clear the city temps have gone up substantially, so how could they not affect the findings?
(And, they are funded by notable Global Warming advocates BTW. )
Remember "garbage in, garbage out"? Re-use data that is proven to be faulty, deny data that is inconvenient, and then post something as though it is Gospel. Kind of the same old same old IMHO.
Sure the earth's temperature fluctuates and always has. There is not dire emergency here and if you really wanted to change the CO2 output by people, you'd have to go back 3 centuries.
Arn
I didn't realize the sun and sunspots effect the United States alone and only from January to October.
NO, it does NOT. Watts' survey of surface stations showed the discrepancies - as in stations OUT OF SPEC. The data is GARBAGE.
Also, your previous statement of Watts' agreement with the BEST has been superceded due to new information, which you either weren't aware of, or chose to leave out.
“I fully accept the previous findings of these papers, including that of the Muller et al 2012 paper. These investigators found exactly what would be expected given the siting metadata they had. However, the Leroy 1999 site rating method employed to create the early metadata, and employed in the Fall et al 2011 paper I co-authored was incomplete, and didn’t properly quantify the effects.
The new rating method employed finds that station siting does indeed have a significant effect on temperature trends.”
Watts et al 2012 has employed a new methodology for station siting, pioneered by Michel Leroy of METEOFrance in 2010, in the paper Leroy 2010, and endorsed by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) Commission for Instruments and Methods of Observation (CIMO-XV, 2010) Fifteenth session, in September 2010 as a WMO-ISO standard, making it suitable for reevaluating previous studies on the issue of station siting.
Previous papers all used a distance only rating system from Leroy 1999, to gauge the impact of heat sinks and sources near thermometers. Leroy 2010 shows that method to be effective for siting new stations, such as was done by NCDC adopting Leroy 1999 methods with their Climate Reference Network (CRN) in 2002 but ineffective at retroactive siting evaluation.
Leroy 2010 adds one simple but effective physical metric; surface area of the heat sinks/sources within the thermometer viewshed to quantify the total heat dissipation effect.
Using the new Leroy 2010 classification system on the older siting metadata used by Fall et al. (2011), Menne et al. (2010), and Muller et al. (2012), yields dramatically different results.
Using Leroy 2010 methods, the Watts et al 2012 paper, which studies several aspects of USHCN siting issues and data adjustments, concludes that:
These factors, combined with station siting issues, have led to a spurious doubling of U.S. mean temperature trends in the 30 year data period covered by the study from 1979 – 2008.
Other findings include, but are not limited to:
· Statistically significant differences between compliant and non-compliant stations exist, as well as urban and rural stations.
· Poorly sited station trends are adjusted sharply upward, and well sited stations are adjusted upward to match the already-adjusted poor stations.
· Well sited rural stations show a warming nearly three times greater after NOAA adjustment is applied.
· Urban sites warm more rapidly than semi-urban sites, which in turn warm more rapidly than rural sites.
· The raw data Tmean trend for well sited stations is 0.15°C per decade lower than adjusted Tmean trend for poorly sited stations.
· Airport USHCN stations show a significant differences in trends than other USHCN stations, and due to equipment issues and other problems, may not be representative stations for monitoring climate.
“You know, as you know, Mark, we can’t attribute any particular weather event to climate change. What we do know is the temperature around the globe is increasing faster than was predicted even 10 years ago. We do know that the Arctic ice cap is melting faster than was predicted even five years ago. We do know that there have been extraordinarily — there have been an extraordinarily large number of severe weather events here in North America, but also around the globe.”
“You know, as you know, Mark, we can’t attribute any particular weather event to climate change. What we do know is the temperature around the globe is increasing faster than was predicted even 10 years ago. We do know that the Arctic ice cap is melting faster than was predicted even five years ago. We do know that there have been extraordinarily — there have been an extraordinarily large number of severe weather events here in North America, but also around the globe.”
the Daily Mail simply "cherrypicked" the data. To back up its blockbuster headline, says a statement from the Met Office in response to the story, the Daily Mail chose a starting point that came in the middle of "an exceptionally strong El Nino," which came after a "double-dip La Nina." The unusual conditions in the Pacific Ocean led to a spike in temperatures. "Choosing a starting or end point on short-term scales can be very misleading" — start the comparison in August instead of January 1997, and you get a sharper temperature rise. The important thing to note, the Met Office says, is the long-term trend, and "the 1990s were warmer than the 1980s, and the 2000s were warmer than both. Eight of the top ten warmest years have occurred in the last decade," and over the last 140 years global surface temperatures have climbed by about 0.8ºC.
the Daily Mail simply "cherrypicked" the data. To back up its blockbuster headline, says a statement from the Met Office in response to the story, the Daily Mail chose a starting point that came in the middle of "an exceptionally strong El Nino," which came after a "double-dip La Nina." The unusual conditions in the Pacific Ocean led to a spike in temperatures. "Choosing a starting or end point on short-term scales can be very misleading" — start the comparison in August instead of January 1997, and you get a sharper temperature rise. The important thing to note, the Met Office says, is the long-term trend, and "the 1990s were warmer than the 1980s, and the 2000s were warmer than both. Eight of the top ten warmest years have occurred in the last decade," and over the last 140 years global surface temperatures have climbed by about 0.8ºC.
It doesn't matter. Warmists have cherry picked many starting and ending points. There was a little ice age that ended, what, 150 years ago? So what does that "0.8dC" temperature difference mean? Temperature anomaly from...WHAT? Why do they think temperature increase from a particularly low starting point is significant? Our CO2 emissions couldn't have started that upward trend in the 1800s.
Originally posted by Arns85GT: Let's assume the modified hockey stick graph you keep posting is legit, (which it is not)
You have yet to show how the graph is modified. But keep trying to make sure the goal post is just over the horizon. I have good eyes.
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Originally posted by Arns85GT: Well, here is the sunspot activity ... And here is the US Temperature history … Given the lag time from sunspot activity to changes on the earth's surface, how can they say sunspots are of no effect?
What's interesting is the graphs are not related at all and cannot be related in any context. You seem to think because the shape of the graph is similar in one location, that a blogger circled for a totally different purpose, the graphs must be related. But never mind that main point, because it isn't even needed to show how bogus your idea is.
What you don't explain is how 22 years of sun activity only impacts 10 years of temperature on Earth. What I exactly mean by that: why wasn't there a temperature rise and fall spread over 22 years? How could sunspot activity impact Earth for half the duration it actually occurred?
Even if sunspots directly impacted the Earth's temperature as you claim, the math is pretty self evident of a bogus idea.
Originally posted by Arns85GT: Looking at their own city temperature data it is clear the city temps have gone up substantially, so how could they not affect the findings?
They do effect the findings a little bit, the main point is they barely effect the findings at all. If you compare the entire dataset to the rural subset you find a difference -0.19*C +or- 0.19*C /100years with 95% confidence. If urban heating was adding significant warming to the dataset this value would be large and it would be positive, not negative. BEST is not the only study to find urban warming doesn't bias the estimates.
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Originally posted by Arns85GT: Remember "garbage in, garbage out"? Re-use data that is proven to be faulty, deny data that is inconvenient, and then post something as though it is Gospel. Kind of the same old same old IMHO.
Do you have a source that shows the data is faulty or is that wishful thinking on your part? Considering you constantly demonstrate how poorly your ideas are thought out, I'm going to assume you don't have a source at all and it is wishful thinking.
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Originally posted by fierobear: NO, it does NOT.
I think you quoted the wrong line. What I meant by what you quoted is urban heating has little significance when you compare the rise to rural datasets. I discussed this a bit more above with Arn.
You start talking about station quality so I'm going to assume you meant to quote the line below what you quoted.
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Originally posted by fierobear: Watts' survey of surface stations showed the discrepancies - as in stations OUT OF SPEC. The data is GARBAGE.
The BEST study took Watt's work on station quality into account.
Watts claimed out of spec USHCN stations have uncertainties greater than 2*C or 5*C depending on NOAA classification. This possible uncertainty is pretty large considering global warming is only reported to be 0.9*C.
Watts and his team ranked stations as "poor" or "ok". The BEST study preformed two different analysis on each set and found the temperature difference between "poor" and "ok" stations is only -0.014 +or- 0.028C / 100yrs.
Even though individual stations have large uncertainties the overall network of stations can still reliably discern temperature trends.
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Originally posted by fierobear: Also, your previous statement of Watts' agreement with the BEST has been superceded due to new information, which you either weren't aware of, or chose to leave out.
BEST actually took a lot of this "new information" into account already. They acknowledged the issue of rural areas in close proximity to urban areas last year. They used a classification of "very rural" to eliminate this concern.
You should know Judith Curry says she is being misrepresented by the Daily Mail and author David Rose for political purposes.
And while I generally avoid arguing technicalities, there's two data points in that graph that are only based on 47 stations instead of 14,488 stations like the month before. These unreliable data points have a statistical uncertainty of 2.8-2.9*C, and if removed, the graph will show a slope of 0.14*C/10 years. Global warming certainly hasn't stopped. Short time periods, as I've said before, can be misleading and are pretty worthless.
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Originally posted by fierobear: Why do they think temperature increase from a particularly low starting point is significant? Our CO2 emissions couldn't have started that upward trend in the 1800s.
The Earth has a history of warming and cooling. Neither side denies this. From my perspective the "denier" side either forgets or doesn't acknowledge the time it took Earth to do this in the past. The most rapid temperature change in the last 65 million years was 6*C over 20,000 years. We've measured almost a full 1*C in the last 50 years alone. The comparison is very significant.
If the Earth was already in a position to start warming again, could CO2 emissions from people be a catalyst? Absolutely.
The Earth has a history of warming and cooling. Neither side denies this. From my perspective the "denier" side either forgets or doesn't acknowledge the time it took Earth to do this in the past. The most rapid temperature change in the last 65 million years was 6*C over 20,000 years. We've measured almost a full 1*C in the last 50 years alone. The comparison is very significant.
If the Earth was already in a position to start warming again, could CO2 emissions from people be a catalyst? Absolutely.
Thank you again for showing how a discussion should be handled.
I sometimes get caught up in the emotion and should realize by now that some are just baiting and get their kicks by prodding others.
I never tire of the dumb-founded silence or ignorance by some to your well thought out and informative posts.
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Originally posted by newf: I sometimes get caught up in the emotion and should realize by now that some are just baiting and get their kicks by prodding others.
Thank you for finally admitting it. That describes you perfectly. Classic case of projection. But that's off subject.
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I have no problem admitting that I have in the past got caught up in an emotional discussion and responded in kind but I stand by everything I've said.
You seem to have a [problem accepting others opinion I do not.
Thank you for finally admitting it. That describes you perfectly. Classic case of projection. But that's off subject.
Bwahahaha nice edit. Even if I have "baited" I don't do so to try and convince people of anything else or tell them they are wrong (even if I think they are at times) I like a good debate and have learned plenty from many of them. YOU tell people they are wrong, call them names because they don't agree, and are generally disrespectful to those who don't agree with you.
I would hope that when I ask questions it's not always considered baiting I usually have a hard time not asking when someone states a point of view that is, racist, ignorant, interesting, compelling, controversial, something I want to learn more about, etc... believe it or not I enjoy hearing why others think what they do.
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Newf he has not done so. He's tried. Just because a guy can argue minutia and write a post that is too long and convoluted does not mean he has won an arguement or provided the sealing point.
The main point still stands
No inundated islands, no drowning or starving polar bears, no increased storm activity over the season, and oddly enough, winter returns to the North on time.
Newf he has not done so. He's tried. Just because a guy can argue minutia and write a post that is too long and convoluted does not mean he has won an arguement or provided the sealing point.
The main point still stands
No inundated islands, no drowning or starving polar bears, no increased storm activity over the season, and oddly enough, winter returns to the North on time.
Arn
Adding to that, the warmists all said that the accelerating warming (due to feedbacks) should have been happening by now. Remember, folks, this whole thing started back in the late 80s, mostly with NASA's James Hansen. They all said that the feedbacks would be happening by now. They haven't. 16 years, flat temperatures, period. They said the polar ice cap (north) would be GONE by now. It isn't.
No inundated islands, no drowning or starving polar bears, no increased storm activity over the season, and oddly enough, winter returns to the North on time.
Arn
I don't know who said there would be any of those things in 2012, I'll continue to trust the SCIENCE.
Adding to that, the warmists all said that the accelerating warming (due to feedbacks) should have been happening by now. Remember, folks, this whole thing started back in the late 80s, mostly with NASA's James Hansen. They all said that the feedbacks would be happening by now. They haven't. 16 years, flat temperatures, period. They said the polar ice cap (north) would be GONE by now. It isn't.
They all said did they? Please show your evidence that.
Hansen's study is another piece of evidence that climate sensitivity is in the IPCC stated range of 2-4.5°C for 2xCO2. I'll link you the basic version of what the science says but the intermediate and advanced versions are there as well.
This is the thing, a group of eminent scientists already concluded that Global Warming is not a crisis. They also decry the governmental interference in the economy to "solve the problem". This was on page two of this thread
We, the scientists and researchers in climate and related fields, economists, policymakers, and business leaders, assembled at Times Square, New York City, participating in the 2008 International Conference on Climate Change,
Resolving that scientific questions should be evaluated solely by the scientific method;
Affirming that global climate has always changed and always will, independent of the actions of humans, and that carbon dioxide (CO2) is not a pollutant but rather a necessity for all life;
Recognising that the causes and extent of recently-observed climatic change are the subject of intense debates in the climate science community and that oft-repeated assertions of a supposed �consensus� among climate experts are false;
Affirming that attempts by governments to legislate costly regulations on industry and individual citizens to encourage CO2 emission reduction will slow development while having no appreciable impact on the future trajectory of global climate change. Such policies will markedly diminish future prosperity and so reduce the ability of societies to adapt to inevitable climate change, thereby increasing, not decreasing human suffering;
Noting that warmer weather is generally less harmful to life on Earth than colder:
Hereby declare:
That current plans to restrict anthropogenic CO2 emissions are a dangerous misallocation of intellectual capital and resources that should be dedicated to solving humanity�s real and serious problems.
That there is no convincing evidence that CO2 emissions from modern industrial activity has in the past, is now, or will in the future cause catastrophic climate change.
That attempts by governments to inflict taxes and costly regulations on industry and individual citizens with the aim of reducing emissions of CO2 will pointlessly curtail the prosperity of the West and progress of developing nations without affecting climate.
That adaptation as needed is massively more cost-effective than any attempted mitigation, and that a focus on such mitigation will divert the attention and resources of governments away from addressing the real problems of their peoples.
That human-caused climate change is not a global crisis.
Now, therefore, we recommend �
That world leaders reject the views expressed by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change as well as popular, but misguided works such as �An Inconvenient Truth�.
That all taxes, regulations, and other interventions intended to reduce emissions of CO2 be abandoned forthwith.
Agreed at New York, 4 March 2008.
List of the signers (153 climate or climate related scientists so far) of the Manhattan Declaration
So why not discredit, argue with, or discount the opinions of this group of scientists, who largely agree with the premise of this thread?
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The following 206 Manhattan Declaration endorsers are climate science specialists or scientists in closely related fields (this is a subset extracted from the other lists):
Syun-Ichi Akasofu, PhD, Professor of Physics, Emeritus and Founding Director, International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, Alaska, U.S.A. William J. R. Alexander, PrEng, Professor Emeritus, Department of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, Honorary Fellow, South African Institution of Civil Engineering, South Africa Bjarne Andresen, PhD, Physicist, Professor, The Niels Bohr Institute, University of Copenhagen, Denmark John W. Bales, BA, MA, PhD (Mathematics, Modeling), Professor, Tuskegee University, Waverly, Alabama, U.S.A. Timothy F. Ball, PhD, environmental consultant and former climatology professor - University of Winnipeg, Science Advisory Board member, ICSC, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Gregory J. Balle, B.E., MSc., PhD. (Joint Aerospace Engineering and Geophysical Fluid Dynamics), Pukekohe, New Zealand Romuald Bartnik, PhD (Organic Chemistry), Professor Emeritus, University of Lodz, Lodz, Poland Colin Barton, PhD, Earth Science, Principal research scientist (retd), Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO), Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Joe Bastardi, BSc, (Meteorology, Pennsylvania State), meteorologist, State College, Pennsylvania, U.S.A. Matthew Bastardi, BSc (Meteorology, Texas A and M University), Florida, U.S.A. Ernst-Georg Beck, Dipl. Biol., Biologist, Dept. Biotechnology and Nutrition Science, Merian-Schule, Freiburg, Germany David Bellamy, OBE, English botanist, author, broadcaster, environmental campaigner, Hon. Professor of Botany (Geography), University of Nottingham, Hon. Prof. Faculty of Engineering and Physical Systems, Central Queensland University, Hon. Prof. of Adult and Continuing Education, University of Durham, United Nations Environment Program Global 500 Award Winner, Dutch Order of The Golden Ark, Bishop Auckland County, Durham, U.K. Andre Bernier, Meteorologist, WJW-TV, Cleveland, Ohio, U.S.A. Sally Bernier, Meteorologist, Cleveland, Ohio, U.S.A. M.I. Bhat, Professor (Tectonics, Department of Geology & Geophysics, University of Kashmir), Sprinagar, Jammu & Kashmir, India Sonja A. Boehmer-Christiansen, PhD, Reader, Dept. of Geography, University of Hull, Hull, United Kingdom Frederick Bopp, PhD (Geology), Environmental Consulting, Owner, Earth Quest, Downingtown, Pennsylvania. U.S.A. Ian Bock, BSc, PhD, DSc, Biological sciences (retired), Ringkobing, Denmark Bruce Borders, PhD, Forest Biometrics, Professor, Warnell School of Forestry and Natural Resources, University of Georgia, Athens, Georgia, U.S.A. William M. Briggs, PhD., Statistical Consultant (specializing in accuracy of forecasts and climate variability), U.S.A. James Brooks, BS, PhD, Geophysics, Adelaide, Australia John W. Brosnahan, Vanderpool, Texas, U.S.A., Research Physicist (Atmospheric Remote Sensing), atmospheric science consultant, founder of Signal Hill Research, LLC., former President of Alpha/Power, Inc., founder of LaSalle Research Inc., founder of Tycho Technology Inc. Atholl Sutherland Brown, PhD (Geology, Princeton University), Regional Geology, Tectonics and Mineral Deposits, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Stephen Brown, PhD (Environmental Science, State University of New York), Ground Penetrating Radar Glacier research, District Agriculture Agent Cooperative Extension Service, University of Alaska, Fairbanks Mat-Su District Office Palmer; Alaska Agriculture Extension Agent/Researcher, Alaska, U.S.A. Reid A. Bryson, Ph.D., D.Sc., D.Engr., Senior Scientist, Center for Climatic Research, Emeritus Prof. of Meteorology, of Geography, and of Environmental Studies, University of Wisconsin, Madison, Wisconsin, U.S.A. James Buckee, PhD (astrophysics), Calgary, Alberta, Canada Bruce Bullough, BS (Chemical Engineering), chemical process design, pollution controls systems design, Cottage Grove, Minnesota, U.S.A. Mark Campbell, PhD (Chemical Physics, Johns Hopkins University, 1987), gas phase kinetics, United States Naval Academy, Annapolis, Maryland, U.S.A. Dan Carruthers, M.Sc., wildlife biology consultant specializing in animal ecology in Arctic and Subarctic regions, Alberta, Canada Robert M. Carter, PhD, Professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia George V. Chilingar, PhD, Professor, Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering of Engineering, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, California, U.S.A. Ian D. Clark, PhD, Professor (isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology), Dept. of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada James Clarke, BS (Meteorology), TV-Meteorologist, WZVN-TV, Ft. Myers, Florida, U.S.A. Charles A. Clough, BS (Mathematics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology), MS (Atmospheric Science, Texas Tech University), former (to 2006) Chief of the US Army Atmospheric Effects Team at Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland; now residing in Bel Air, Maryland, U.S.A. Michael Clover, PhD (experimental nuclear physics); Computer Simulation, Senior Scientist, Science Applications International Corp., San Diego, California, U.S.A. Michael Coffman, PhD, (ecosysytems analysis and climate change), CEO of Sovereignty International, President of Environmental Perspectives, Inc., Bangor, Maine, U.S.A. John Coleman, Founder, The Weather Channel, Weather Anchor, KUSI-TV, San Diego, California, U.S.A. Martin Coniglio, Meteorologist, KUSA-TV, Denver, Colorado, U.S.A. Paul Copper, BSc, MSc, PhD, DIC, FRSC, Professor Emeritus, Department of Earth Sciences, Laurentian University Sudbury, Ontario, Canada Piers Corbyn, ARCS, FRAS, FRMetS, astrophysicist (Queen Mary College, London), consultant, owner of Weather Action long range forecasters, degree in Physics (Imperial College London), England Allan Cortese, meteorological researcher and spotter for the National Weather Service, retired computer professional, Billerica, Massachusetts, U.S.A. Richard S. Courtney, PhD, energy and environmental consultant, IPCC expert reviewer, Falmouth, Cornwall, United Kingdom Susan Crockford, PhD (Zoology/Evolutionary Biology/Archaeozoology), Adjunct Professor (Anthropology/Faculty of Graduate Studies), University of Victoria, Victoria, British Colombia, Canada Claude Culross, PhD (Organic Chemistry), retired, Baton Rouge, Louisiana, U.S.A. Joseph D’Aleo, MS, BS (University of Wisconsin) Meteorologist and Climatologist (retired), Executive Director, ICECAP (International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project), Hudson, New Hampshire, U.S.A. Dalcio K. Dacol, PhD (physics, University of California at Berkeley), physicist at the US Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, D.C., U.S.A. Dave Dahl, BSc (Meteorology, Florida State University), Chief Meteorologist, 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS/KSTP-TV, Saint Paul, Minnesota, U.S.A. José Carlos de Almeida Azevedo, PhD (Physics, MIT), Consulting, former President, University of Brasilia, Brasilia, Federal District, Brazil Willem De Lange, PhD, MSc (Hons), Dphil (Computer and Earth Sciences), Senior Lecturer in Earth and Ocean Sciences, Waikato University, Hamilton, New Zealand James DeMeo, PhD (University of Kansas, Geography, Climate, Environmental Science), retired University Professor, now in Private Research, Ashland, Oregon, U.S.A. David Deming, PhD (Geophysics), Associate Professor, College of Arts and Sciences, University of Oklahoma, Norman, Oklahoma, U.S.A. David Douglass, PhD, Professor of Physics, University of Rochester, New York, U.S.A. Geoffrey Duffy, DEng, PhD, BSc, ASTC Dip, Professor of Chemical Engineering, The University of Auckland, Auckland, New Zealand Robert Durrenberger, PhD, former Arizona State Climatologist and President of the American Association of State Climatologists, Professor Emeritus of Geography, Arizona State University; Sun City, Arizona, U.S.A.. Freeman J. Dyson, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, New Jersey, U.S.A. Don J. Easterbrook, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Geology, Western Washington, University, Bellingham, Washington, U.S.A. Per Engene, PhD, Biologist, Valenvegen, Norway Robert H. Essenhigh, PhD, E.G. Bailey Professor of Energy Conversion, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University, Columbus, Ohio, U.S.A. David Evans, PhD (EE), MSc (Stat), MSc (EE), MA (Math), BE (EE), BSc, mathematician, carbon accountant, computer and electrical engineer and head of 'Science Speak', Perth, Western Australia, Australia Donald W. Farley, P.Eng, M.Eng. (Water Resources Engineering & Hydrology), Gatineau, Quebec, Canada John Ferguson, BSc, PhD. ARCST, DipHE, Ceng, Computer Control Systems & Mathematical Modelling (retired), Berwick, United Kingdom Robert Jacomb Foster, BE (Adelaide University), palaeoclimatologist and energy economist, Director Lavoisier Group; past Councillor Royal Society of Victoria and Victorian Institute of Marine Science, Melbourne, Australia Louis Fowler, BS (Mathematics), MA (Physics), 33 years in environmental measurements (Ambient Air Quality Measurements), Austin, Texas, U.S.A. Peter Friedman, PhD, Member, American Geophysical Union, Assistant professor of Mechanical Engineering, University of Massachusetts, Dartmouth, Massachusetts, U.S.A. Gordon Fulks, PhD (Physics, University of Chicago), cosmic radiation, solar wind, electromagnetic and geophysical phenomena, Portland, Oregon, U.S.A. Maureen T. Gallagher, PhD, (Geology, Micropaleontology), Consultant, Calgary, Alberta, Canada Rigoberto Garcia, MC, Climate Change and Urban Sustainability, Doctorate Student, El Colegio de México, México City, DF, México Edgar Gärtner, Diplôme d'Etudes Approfondies (DEA, en Ecologie appliquée, Redaktionsbüro), Frankfurt am Main, Germany Lee C. Gerhard, PhD, Senior Scientist Emeritus, University of Kansas, past director and state geologist, Kansas Geological Survey, U.S.A. Albrecht Glatzle, PhD, ScAgr, Agro-Biologist and Gerente ejecutivo, Tropical pasture research and land use management, INTTAS, Asunción, Paraguay Indur M. Goklany, PhD (Electrical Eng, Michigan State University), climate policy analyst, Vienna, Virginia, U.S.A. Fred Goldberg, PhD, Adj Professor, Royal Institute of Technology (Mechanical Engineering), Secretary General KTH International Climate Seminar 2006 and Climate analyst, Stockholm, Sweden Stanley B. Goldenberg, Research Meteorologist, NOAA, AOML/Hurricane Research Division, Miami, Florida, U.S.A. Wayne Goodfellow, PhD (Earth Science), Ocean Evolution, Paleoenvironments, Adjunct Professor, Senior Research Scientist, University of Ottawa, Geological Survey of Canada, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada David Gray, PhD (EE Stanford U., Electromagnetic Wave Transmission (in Atmosphere, and fiber)), Asst Professor of Engineering, Messiah College, Grantham, Pennsylvania, U.S.A. Thomas B. Gray, MS, Meteorology, Retired, USAF, Yachats, Oregon, U.S.A. Vincent Gray, PhD, New Zealand Climate Coalition, expert reviewer for the IPCC, author of The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of Climate Change 2001, Wellington, New Zealand William M. Gray, PhD, Professor Emeritus (Dept. of Atmospheric Science), Colorado State University, Head of the Tropical Meteorology Project, Fort Collins, Colorado, U.S.A. Charles Hammons, PhD (Applied Mathematics), systems/software engineering, modelling & simulation, design, Consultant, Coyle, Oklahoma, U.S.A. Howard Hayden, PhD, Emeritus Professor (Physics), University of Connecticut, The Energy Advocate, U.S.A. Ross Hays, Atmospheric Scientist, NASA Columbia Scientific Balloon Facility, Palestine, Texas, U.S.A. D. Hebert, PhD, Faculty for Chemistry and Physics, Institut fur Angewandte Physik, Freiberg, Germany Hug Hienz, PhD, (Chemistry, University of Mainz, Germany), former Professor of Organic Chemistry and Analytical Chemistry, Germany Ted Hinds, BS (Engineering Science), MS (Atmospheric Science), PhD (Physical Ecology, U. Washington, Seattle), Quantitative empirical analyses regarding climatological, meteorological, and ecological responses to environmental stresses, consultant for USA EPA research on global climate change program. Senior Research Scientist, retired, Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, Richland, Washington, U.S.A. Art Horn, Meteorologist (honors, Lyndon State College, Lyndonville, Vermont), operator, The Art of Weather, U.S.A. Warwick S. Hughes, MSc Hon. (University of Auckland, New Zealand), geologist (retired), Canberra, Australia Ole Humlum, PhD, Physical Geography, Professor, University of Oslo, Oslo, Norway Steve Hynek, BS (Meteorology), Air Quality Analyst, Dairyland Power Cooperative, La Crosse, Wisconsin, U.S.A. Craig D. Idso, PhD, Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, Tempe, Arizona, U.S.A. Sherwood B. Idso, PhD, President, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, Tempe, Arizona, U.S.A. Albert F. Jacobs, MS, P. Geology, retired geologist, co-founder Friends of Science, Calgary, Alberta, Canada Zbigniew Jaworowski, PhD, physicist, Senior Science Advisor of the Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland Terrell Johnson, B.S. (Zoology), M.S. (Wildlife & Range Resources, Air & Water Quality), Principal Environmental Engineer, Green River, Wyoming, U.S.A. Bill Kappel, BS (Physical Science-Geology), BS (Meteorology), Storm Analysis, Climatology, Operation Forecasting, Vice President/Senior Meteorologist for Applied Weather Associates, LLC, University of Colorado, Colorado Springs, U.S.A. Wibjörn Karlén, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Department of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Stockholm, Sweden Joel M. Kauffman, PhD (Organic Chemistry, M.I.T.), Professor of Chemistry Emeritus, University of the Sciences in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, U.S.A. David Kear, PhD, FRSNZ, CMG, geologist, former Director-General of NZ Dept. of Scientific & Industrial Research, Whakatane, Bay of Plenty, New Zealand Harald Kehl, PD Dr. rer. nat., Ecosystem Analysis, Lecturer, Researcher, Berlin, Germany Madhav L. Khandekar, PhD, consultant meteorologist, (former) Research Scientist, Environment Canada, Editor "Climate Research” (03-05), Editorial Board Member "Natural Hazards, IPCC Expert Reviewer 2007, Unionville, Ontario, Canada William Kininmonth, MSc, MAdmin, former head of Australia’s National Climate Centre and a consultant to the World Meteorological organization’s Commission for Climatology, Kew, Victoria, Australia R.W.J. Kouffeld, PhD, Emeritus Professor - Energy Conversion, Technical University Delft, Driebergen, The Netherlands Gerhard Kramm, Dr. rer. nat. (Meteorology), Theoretical Meteorology, Research Faculty, Geophysical Institute, University of Alaska Fairbanks, Fairbanks, Alaska, U.S.A. Gary Kubat, BS (Atmospheric Science), MS (Atmospheric Science), professional meteorologist last 18 years, O'Fallon, Illinois, U.S.A. Olav M. Kvalheim, Professor, Department of Chemistry, Univ. of Bergen, Bergen, Norway Roar Larsen, Dr.ing.(PhD), Chief scientist, and adjunct professor, Chemical Engineering, SINTEF and the Norwegian University of Science and Technology, Trondheim, Norway Rune B. Larsen, PhD (Geology, Geochemistry), Associate Professor, Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU), Trondheim, Norway Douglas Leahey, PhD, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, President - Friends of Science, Calgary, Alberta, Canada David R. Legates, PhD, Director, Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware, Newark, Delaware, U.S.A. Jay Lehr, BEng (Princeton), PhD (environmental science and ground water hydrology), Science Director, The Heartland Institute, Chicago, Illinois, U.S.A. Marcel Leroux, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Climatology, University of Lyon, former director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and Environment, France Bryan Leyland, M.Sc., FIEE, FIMechE, FIPENZ, MRSNZ, consulting engineer (power), Secretary - International Climate Science Coalition, Auckland, New Zealand Edward Liebsch, MS (Meteorology, Pennsylvania State University), BA (Earth Science & Chemistry, St. Cloud State University), Air Quality, Meteorology, Senior Air Quality Scientist, HDR, Inc., Minneapolis, Minnesota, U.S.A. William Lindqvist, PhD, consulting Geologist and Company Director, Tiburon, California, U.S.A. Peter Link, BS, MS, PhD (Geology, Climatology), Geol/Paleoclimatology, retired, Active in Geol-paleoclimatology, Tulsa University and Industry, Evergreen, Colorado, U.S.A. Endel Lippmaa, Prof.Dr.habil (Physics, Chemistry), Chairman - Energy Council of the Estonian Academy of Science, Tallinn, Estonia Keith Lockitch, PhD (Physics, University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee), Science and Environmental Policy, Resident Fellow, Ayn Rand Institute, Irvine, California, U.S.A. Anthony R. Lupo, Ph.D., Associate Professor of Atmospheric Science, Department of Soil, Environmental, and Atmospheric Science, University of Missouri, Columbia, Missouri, U.S.A. Richard Mackey, Statistician, author of papers about the role of the Sun in the Earth's climate dynamics and biographer of Rhodes W. Fairbridge, Canberra, Australia Horst Malberg, PhD, former director of Institute of Meteorology, Free University of Berlin, Germany Björn Malmgren, PhD, University Professor, Paleoclimate Science, retired, Lerum, Sweden Jennifer Marohasy, BSc, PhD, Biologist, Writer, Senior Fellow, Institute of Public Affairs, Director, Australian Environment Foundation, Sydney, Australia Les McDonald, RP Bio; Senior Impact Assessment Biologist, BC Environmental Protection (retired); Consulting Aquatic Biologist, Cranbrook, British Columbia, Canada Alister McFarquhar, PhD (international economy, Downing College), Cambridge, United Kingdom John McLean, Climate Data Analyst, Post-graduate Diploma of Computer Studies, B. Arch., Climate Data Analyst, Computer scientist, Melbourne, Australia Rob Meleon, PhD, biochemist, CSO Pepscan, Lelystad, The Netherlands Amos Meyer, Theoretical Physics, Applied Mathematics, Mathematical Modeling, Chief Scientist, Westport, Connecticut, U.S.A. Fred Michel, PhD, Director, Institute of Environmental Sciences, Associate Professor of Earth Sciences, Carleton University, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Ferenc Mark Miskolczi, PhD, atmospheric physicist, formerly of NASA's Langley Research Center, Hampton, Virginia, U.S.A. Asmunn Moene, PhD, MSc (Meteorology), former head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute, Oslo, Norway H. Michael "Mike" Mogil, Certified Consulting Meteorologist (three decades with NOAA), weather educator and science writer, How the Weatherworks, Naples, Florida, U.S.A. Michael Monce, PhD (Physics), Atomic/Molecular, Energy and Environment, Professor of Physics, Connecticut College, New London, Connecticut, U.S.A. M. R. Morgan, PhD, Cdr., FRMS, climate consultant, former meteorology advisor to the World Meteorological Organization. Previously research scientist in climatology at University of Exeter, U.K., now residing in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada Nils-Axel Mörner, PhD (Sea Level Changes and Climate), Emeritus Professor of Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics, Stockholm University, Stockholm, Sweden Luboš Motl, PhD, Physicist, former Harvard string theorist, Charles University, Prague, Czech Republic Robert Neff, M.S. (Meteorology, St Louis University), Weather Officer, USAF; Contractor support to NASA Meteorology Satellites, Retired, Camp Springs, Maryland, U.S.A. John Nicol, BSc (University of Queensland), PhD (James Cook University); Radio Physics and High Resolution Optical Spectroscopy, former Senior Lecturer of Physics at James Cook University, Townsville, Australia; now residing in Brisbane, Australia David Nowell, M.Sc., Fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society, former chairman of the NATO Meteorological Group, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada James J. O'Brien, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Meteorology and Oceanography, Florida State University, Florida, U.S.A. Peter Oliver, BS, MS, PhD, FGA, Geology, Geochemistry, Paleomagnetism, Research Scientist, retired, Upper Hutt, New Zealand Cliff Ollier, PhD, Professor Emeritus (Geology), Research Fellow, University of Western Australia, Crawley, Australia Curtis Osgood, BS (Meteorology, Lyndon State College), Consulting Meteorologist, Forecaster/Consultant, Granby, Massachusetts, U.S.A. Pat Palmer, MAgrSc (agronomy), pollution control expert (sources and effects on health), retired from Crop Research Division, DSIR, Christchurch, New Zealand Donald Parkes, PhD, BA (Hons), MA, retired Professor Human Ecology, Australia and Japan R. Timothy Patterson, PhD, Professor & Director, Ottawa-Carleton Geoscience Center, Department of Earth Sciences (paleoclimatology), Carleton University, Chair - International Climate Science Coalition, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada James A. Peden, Atmospheric Physicist, webmaster Middlebury Networks, Vermont, U.S.A. Al Pekarek, PhD, Associate Professor of Geology, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Dept., St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, Minnesota, U.S.A. Ian Plimer, PhD, Professor of Mining Geology, The University of Adelaide; Emeritus Professor of Earth Sciences, The University of Melbourne, Australia Daniel Joseph Pounder, BS (Meteorology, University of Oklahoma), MS (Atmospheric Sciences, University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign); Weather Forecasting, Meteorologist, WILL AM/FM/TV, the public broadcasting station of the University of Illinois, Urbana, U.S.A. Patrick Powell, BS (Meteorology/Physical Geography, Western Illinois University), AMS Board of Broadcast Meteorology, CBM, Chief Meteorologist, WLUK-TV, Green Bay, Wisconsin, U.S.A. Brian Pratt, PhD, Professor of Geology (Sedimentology), University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada Harry N.A. Priem, PhD, Professor (retired) Utrecht University, isotope and planetary geology, Past-President Royal Netherlands Society of Geology and Mining, Amsterdam, The Netherlands George A. Reilly, PhD (Geology), Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Henriques Renato, PhD, Geology, Auxiliary Professor, University of Minho, Braga, Braga, Portugal Art Robinson, PhD (Chemistry), founder and Professor of Chemistry, Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, Cave Junction, Oregon, U.S.A. Robert G. Roper, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Atmospheric Sciences, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, Georgia, U.S.A. Arthur Rorsch, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Molecular Genetics, Leiden University, Leiden, The Netherlands Curt Rose, BA, MA (University of Western Ontario), MA, PhD (Clark University), Professor Emeritus, Department of Environmental Studies and Geography, Bishop's University, Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada Robert Roseman, Meteorology & Climatology, TV Meteorologist, Denver, Colorado, U.S.A. Rob Scagel, MSc (forest microclimate specialist), Principal Consultant - Pacific Phytometric Consultants, Surrey, British Columbia, Canada Clive Schaupmeyer, M.Sc., P.Ag. , Coaldale, Alberta, Canada Chris Schoneveld, MSc (Structural Geology), PhD (Geology), retired Exploration Geologist and Geophysicist, Australia and France Bruce Schwoegler, BS (Meteorology and Naval Science, University of Wisconsin-Madison), Chief Technology Officer, MySky Communications Inc, meteorologist, science writer and principal/co-founder of MySky, Lakeville, Massachusetts, U.S.A. . Tom V. Segalstad, PhD (Geology/Geochemistry), Head of the Geological Museum and Associate Professor of Resource and Environmental Geology, University of Oslo, Norway Milos Setek, Meteorologist/Statistician, Senior Scientist, Bureau of Meteorology, Melbourne, Australia John Shade, BS (Physics), MS (Atmospheric Physics), MS (Applied Statistics), Industrial Statistics Consultant, GDP, Dunfermline, United Kingdom Gary Sharp, PhD, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, California, U.S.A. Thomas P. Sheahen, PhD (Physics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology), specialist in energy sciences, notably renewable energy, Oakland, Maryland, U.S.A. Vedat Shehu, Prof. Dr. Eng., Geologist, Engineering Geology, Tectonics, Geoingineering, Sharon, Massachusetts, U.S.A. and Professor "Geoingineering Research Unit" in Tirana, Albania Richard F. Shepherd, ARCS (Mathematics), PhD, DIC (high energy physics), FIMA (numerical analysis), FBCS (director of computing centre, retired), Pembroke, United Kingdom Paavo Siitam, M.Sc., agronomist and chemist, Cobourg, Ontario, Canada S. Fred Singer, PhD, Professor Emeritus (Environmental Sciences), University of Virginia, former director, U.S. Weather Satellite Service, Science and Environmental Policy Project, Charlottesville, Virginia, U.S.A. L. Graham Smith, PhD, Associate Professor in Geography, specialising in Resource Management, University of Western Ontario, London, Ontario, Canada. Oleg G. Sorokhtin, PhD, Director of Ocean Laboratory, Russian Academy of Sciences, Moscow, Russia Douglas Southgate, PhD, Professor of Agricultural, Environmental and Development Economics, Ohio State University, Columbus, Ohio, U.S.A. Roy W. Spencer, PhD, climatologist, Principal Research Scientist, Earth System Science Center, The University of Alabama, Huntsville, Alabama, U.S.A. T. J. ("Jim") Sprott, PhD, OBE, MSc, FNZIC, consulting chemist, forensic scientist, Auckland, New Zealand Walter Starck, PhD (marine science), marine biologist (specialization in coral reefs and fisheries with 1000 dives from northern Cape York to the Capricorn group), author, photographer, Townsville, Australia Peter Stilbs, TeknD, Professor of Physical Chemistry, Research Leader, School of Chemical Science and Engineering, KTH (Royal Institute of Technology), Stockholm, Sweden Arlin Super, PhD (Meteorology), Weather Modification, retired Research Meteorologist, U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, Saint Cloud, Minnesota, U.S.A. Wojciech J. Szalecki, PhD (Organic Chemistry), Senior Scientist, formerly University of Lodz, Poland, and University of Colorado, now in Eugene, Oregon, U.S.A. Mitchell Taylor, PhD, Biologist (Polar Bear Specialist), Wildlife Research Section, Department of Environment, Igloolik, Nunavut, Canada George H. Taylor, Certified Consulting Meteorologist, Former State Climatologist (Oregon), Past President, American Association of State Climatologists, Corvallis, Oregon, U.S.A. Malcolm Taylor, Dip ES (Climatology and Hydrology specialization), Power Systems Analyst, Otago, New Zealand Dick Thoenes, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Chemical Engineering, Eindhoven University of Technology, Dwingeloo, The Netherlands Wolfgang Thüne, PhD, Dipl.-Met., Senior Meteorologist and Sociologist, Oppenheim, Germany Frank Tipler, Professor of Mathematical Physics, astrophysics, Tulane Univeristy, New Orleans, Louisiana, U.S.A. Göran Tullberg, Civilingenjör i Kemi (equivalent to Masters of Chemical Engineering), currently teacher of Environmental Protection Engineering and Organic Chemistry at University in Växjö; Falsterbo, Sweden Brian G. Valentine, PhD, PE (Chem.), Technology Manager - Industrial Energy Efficiency, Adjunct Associate Professor of Engineering Science, University of Maryland at College Park, Dept. of Energy, Washington D.C., U.S.A. Gerrit J. van der Lingen, PhD, geologist and paleoclimatologist, climate change consultant, Geoscience Research and Investigations, Christchurch, New Zealand Roderick W. Van Koughnet, BS (Geology), MS (Geology (Geophysics), Wright State University), Senior Geoscientist, L&M Petroleum, Wellington, New Zealand Gösta Walin, Professor, i oceanografi, Earth Science Center, Göteborg University, Göteborg, Sweden Neil Waterhouse, PhD (Physics, Thermal, Electronic Properties of Materials, Precise Temperature Measurement), retired, National research Council, Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Anthony Watts, ItWorks/IntelliWeather, Founder, surfacestation s.org, Chico, California, U.S.A. Gerd-Rainer Weber, PhD, Consulting Meteorologist, Essen, Germany Jack Wedel, BS (Geography), Arctic Hydrology, retired, Environment Canada, Keewatin, Ontario, Canada James Weeg, BS (Geology), MS (Environmental Science), Professional Geologist/hydrologist, Associate Professor, Environmental Geology, Advent Environmental Inc, Mt. Pleasant, South Carolina, U.S.A. Rich Weiss, BSc (Meteorology, Valparaiso University), Meteorologist, Supervisor of Meteorology, Houston, Texas, U.S.A. Forese-Carlo Wezel, Professor of Stratigraphy (global and Mediterranean geology, mass biotic extinctions and paleoclimatology), University of Urbino, Urbino, Italy Boris Winterhalter, PhD, senior marine researcher (retired), Geological Survey of Finland, former professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, Helsinki, Finland David E. Wojick, PhD, P.Eng., energy consultant, Star Tannery, Virginia, U.S.A. Arnold Woodruff, M.Sc. (Atmospheric Physics, U.C.W.Aberystwyth), B.Sc. (Physics, Durham), Terrestrial & Spaceborne Exploration Geophysics, Consultant Geophysicist, Woodruff Exploration & Production Ltd., Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire, U.K. Chris Yakymyshyn, PhD, MS, BS (EE/Physics), Instrumentation, Vice President Technology, Field Metrics Inc., Seminole, Florida, U.S.A. Roger Young, BS, MS, D.I.C. F.G.S., Geophysics, Geophysical Consultant, Bedford, Bedfordshire, England Josef Zboril, MSc. (Chemistry), Board Member, Confederation of Industry, Prague, Czech Republic A. Zichichi, PhD, President of the World Federation of Scientists, Geneva, Switzerland; Emeritus Professor of Advanced Physics, University of Bologna, Bologna, Italy Stan Zlochen, MS (Atmospheric Science), USAF (retired), Omaha, Nebraska, U.S.A.
Arn
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This is the thing, a group of eminent scientists already concluded that Global Warming is not a crisis. They also decry the governmental interference in the economy to "solve the problem". This was on page two of this thread
Here they are.
So why not discredit, argue with, or discount the opinions of this group of scientists, who largely agree with the premise of this thread?
[QUOTE] The following 206 Manhattan Declaration endorsers are climate science specialists or scientists in closely related fields (this is a subset extracted from the other lists):
Syun-Ichi Akasofu, PhD, Professor of Physics, Emeritus and Founding Director, International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, Alaska, U.S.A. William J. R. Alexander, PrEng, Professor Emeritus, Department of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, Honorary Fellow, South African Institution of Civil Engineering, South Africa Bjarne Andresen, PhD, Physicist, Professor, The Niels Bohr Institute, University of Copenhagen, Denmark John W. Bales, BA, MA, PhD (Mathematics, Modeling), Professor, Tuskegee University, Waverly, Alabama, U.S.A. Timothy F. Ball, PhD, environmental consultant and former climatology professor - University of Winnipeg, Science Advisory Board member, ICSC, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Gregory J. Balle, B.E., MSc., PhD. (Joint Aerospace Engineering and Geophysical Fluid Dynamics), Pukekohe, New Zealand Romuald Bartnik, PhD (Organic Chemistry), Professor Emeritus, University of Lodz, Lodz, Poland Colin Barton, PhD, Earth Science, Principal research scientist (retd), Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO), Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Joe Bastardi, BSc, (Meteorology, Pennsylvania State), meteorologist, State College, Pennsylvania, U.S.A. Matthew Bastardi, BSc (Meteorology, Texas A and M University), Florida, U.S.A. Ernst-Georg Beck, Dipl. Biol., Biologist, Dept. Biotechnology and Nutrition Science, Merian-Schule, Freiburg, Germany David Bellamy, OBE, English botanist, author, broadcaster, environmental campaigner, Hon. Professor of Botany (Geography), University of Nottingham, Hon. Prof. Faculty of Engineering and Physical Systems, Central Queensland University, Hon. Prof. of Adult and Continuing Education, University of Durham, United Nations Environment Program Global 500 Award Winner, Dutch Order of The Golden Ark, Bishop Auckland County, Durham, U.K. Andre Bernier, Meteorologist, WJW-TV, Cleveland, Ohio, U.S.A. Sally Bernier, Meteorologist, Cleveland, Ohio, U.S.A. M.I. Bhat, Professor (Tectonics, Department of Geology & Geophysics, University of Kashmir), Sprinagar, Jammu & Kashmir, India Sonja A. Boehmer-Christiansen, PhD, Reader, Dept. of Geography, University of Hull, Hull, United Kingdom Frederick Bopp, PhD (Geology), Environmental Consulting, Owner, Earth Quest, Downingtown, Pennsylvania. U.S.A. Ian Bock, BSc, PhD, DSc, Biological sciences (retired), Ringkobing, Denmark Bruce Borders, PhD, Forest Biometrics, Professor, Warnell School of Forestry and Natural Resources, University of Georgia, Athens, Georgia, U.S.A. William M. Briggs, PhD., Statistical Consultant (specializing in accuracy of forecasts and climate variability), U.S.A. James Brooks, BS, PhD, Geophysics, Adelaide, Australia John W. Brosnahan, Vanderpool, Texas, U.S.A., Research Physicist (Atmospheric Remote Sensing), atmospheric science consultant, founder of Signal Hill Research, LLC., former President of Alpha/Power, Inc., founder of LaSalle Research Inc., founder of Tycho Technology Inc. Atholl Sutherland Brown, PhD (Geology, Princeton University), Regional Geology, Tectonics and Mineral Deposits, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Stephen Brown, PhD (Environmental Science, State University of New York), Ground Penetrating Radar Glacier research, District Agriculture Agent Cooperative Extension Service, University of Alaska, Fairbanks Mat-Su District Office Palmer; Alaska Agriculture Extension Agent/Researcher, Alaska, U.S.A. Reid A. Bryson, Ph.D., D.Sc., D.Engr., Senior Scientist, Center for Climatic Research, Emeritus Prof. of Meteorology, of Geography, and of Environmental Studies, University of Wisconsin, Madison, Wisconsin, U.S.A. James Buckee, PhD (astrophysics), Calgary, Alberta, Canada Bruce Bullough, BS (Chemical Engineering), chemical process design, pollution controls systems design, Cottage Grove, Minnesota, U.S.A. Mark Campbell, PhD (Chemical Physics, Johns Hopkins University, 1987), gas phase kinetics, United States Naval Academy, Annapolis, Maryland, U.S.A. Dan Carruthers, M.Sc., wildlife biology consultant specializing in animal ecology in Arctic and Subarctic regions, Alberta, Canada Robert M. Carter, PhD, Professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia George V. Chilingar, PhD, Professor, Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering of Engineering, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, California, U.S.A. Ian D. Clark, PhD, Professor (isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology), Dept. of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada James Clarke, BS (Meteorology), TV-Meteorologist, WZVN-TV, Ft. Myers, Florida, U.S.A. Charles A. Clough, BS (Mathematics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology), MS (Atmospheric Science, Texas Tech University), former (to 2006) Chief of the US Army Atmospheric Effects Team at Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland; now residing in Bel Air, Maryland, U.S.A. Michael Clover, PhD (experimental nuclear physics); Computer Simulation, Senior Scientist, Science Applications International Corp., San Diego, California, U.S.A. Michael Coffman, PhD, (ecosysytems analysis and climate change), CEO of Sovereignty International, President of Environmental Perspectives, Inc., Bangor, Maine, U.S.A. John Coleman, Founder, The Weather Channel, Weather Anchor, KUSI-TV, San Diego, California, U.S.A. Martin Coniglio, Meteorologist, KUSA-TV, Denver, Colorado, U.S.A. Paul Copper, BSc, MSc, PhD, DIC, FRSC, Professor Emeritus, Department of Earth Sciences, Laurentian University Sudbury, Ontario, Canada Piers Corbyn, ARCS, FRAS, FRMetS, astrophysicist (Queen Mary College, London), consultant, owner of Weather Action long range forecasters, degree in Physics (Imperial College London), England Allan Cortese, meteorological researcher and spotter for the National Weather Service, retired computer professional, Billerica, Massachusetts, U.S.A. Richard S. Courtney, PhD, energy and environmental consultant, IPCC expert reviewer, Falmouth, Cornwall, United Kingdom Susan Crockford, PhD (Zoology/Evolutionary Biology/Archaeozoology), Adjunct Professor (Anthropology/Faculty of Graduate Studies), University of Victoria, Victoria, British Colombia, Canada Claude Culross, PhD (Organic Chemistry), retired, Baton Rouge, Louisiana, U.S.A. Joseph D’Aleo, MS, BS (University of Wisconsin) Meteorologist and Climatologist (retired), Executive Director, ICECAP (International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project), Hudson, New Hampshire, U.S.A. Dalcio K. Dacol, PhD (physics, University of California at Berkeley), physicist at the US Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, D.C., U.S.A. Dave Dahl, BSc (Meteorology, Florida State University), Chief Meteorologist, 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS/KSTP-TV, Saint Paul, Minnesota, U.S.A. José Carlos de Almeida Azevedo, PhD (Physics, MIT), Consulting, former President, University of Brasilia, Brasilia, Federal District, Brazil Willem De Lange, PhD, MSc (Hons), Dphil (Computer and Earth Sciences), Senior Lecturer in Earth and Ocean Sciences, Waikato University, Hamilton, New Zealand James DeMeo, PhD (University of Kansas, Geography, Climate, Environmental Science), retired University Professor, now in Private Research, Ashland, Oregon, U.S.A. David Deming, PhD (Geophysics), Associate Professor, College of Arts and Sciences, University of Oklahoma, Norman, Oklahoma, U.S.A. David Douglass, PhD, Professor of Physics, University of Rochester, New York, U.S.A. Geoffrey Duffy, DEng, PhD, BSc, ASTC Dip, Professor of Chemical Engineering, The University of Auckland, Auckland, New Zealand Robert Durrenberger, PhD, former Arizona State Climatologist and President of the American Association of State Climatologists, Professor Emeritus of Geography, Arizona State University; Sun City, Arizona, U.S.A.. Freeman J. Dyson, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, New Jersey, U.S.A. Don J. Easterbrook, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Geology, Western Washington, University, Bellingham, Washington, U.S.A. Per Engene, PhD, Biologist, Valenvegen, Norway Robert H. Essenhigh, PhD, E.G. Bailey Professor of Energy Conversion, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University, Columbus, Ohio, U.S.A. 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I don't need to argue with them the facts are there, every major Scientific board is in agreement.
Added to that your "list" is 4 years old, there has been more research since then including the BEST study.
The Best study is flawed as I said. And, it should be noted that this thread has been under continual discussion since July 2008. The arguments have been hashed over continually as new information comes in.
Nothing has changed. In fact that is the point. All the dire predictions made by the Gorites and GW alarmists just have not come true.
Hansen's study is another piece of evidence that climate sensitivity is in the IPCC stated range of 2-4.5°C for 2xCO2. I'll link you the basic version of what the science says but the intermediate and advanced versions are there as well.
And that is the rub. This ENTIRE thing comes down to "climate sensitivity", or like I recently said, feedbacks. If the feedbacks aren't feeding back, this thing is a multi-trillion dollar load of bullshit. At best, it is simply an incorrect scientific theory.
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Not sure why you are so angry about people disagreeing with your opinion you should be used to being in the minority.
Simple - because if people like James Hansen convince the government that CO2 must be reduced to avoid horrible catastrophes, and the solution is "carbon taxes", then we will all pay more for EVERYTHING for the rest of our lives, to no benefit. Mine and my families lifestyle will be permanently reduced. Got it? Now, maybe you don't care, but I do. I sure as hell don't want that to happen for a deeply flawed scientific theory.
So YES, I get really pissed off about these ******* politicians reaching into my wallet YET AGAIN, and that makes my family's struggle to survive even tougher.
The Best study is flawed as I said. And, it should be noted that this thread has been under continual discussion since July 2008. The arguments have been hashed over continually as new information comes in.
Nothing has changed. In fact that is the point. All the dire predictions made by the Gorites and GW alarmists just have not come true.
Arn
You or someone like Anthony Watts saying it's flawed isn't going to change my opinion, when the majority of scientists are in agreement I will trust them over internet experts. If the Scientists were claiming that Climate Change was NOT happening then I would most likely agree with that as well but their not and it seems to be an overwhelming consensus that it IS happening and man IS partially to blame. The Oil industry is clouding the issue just as the Tabacco industry did years ago, and yes I also believe that smoking is harmful and causes disease.
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So YES, I get really pissed off about these ******* politicians reaching into my wallet YET AGAIN, and that makes my family's struggle to survive even tougher.
Of course there are lots of people who don't like to pay their debts when they don't see the direct benefit to themselves. Kicking the can down the road is easy.
Insult, deflect, spin, regurgitate, follow etc.... 
