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Free Speech by Chris_narf
Started on: 04-18-2014 04:54 PM
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Report this Post04-18-2014 04:54 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Chris_narfSend a Private Message to Chris_narfEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I don't often post in the OT section, but this one is worth it; This was on today's XKCD.



With the mouse over text, "I can't remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express."

<puts on flame suit>

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Report this Post04-18-2014 04:57 PM Click Here to See the Profile for RaydarSend a Private Message to RaydarEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Exactly right.
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Fire!!!
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Originally posted by Chris_narf:
"... you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal ...."[/URL]

<puts on flame suit>



I get that argument a lot in OT in other contexts.
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Report this Post04-19-2014 09:29 AM Click Here to See the Profile for proffClick Here to visit proff's HomePageSend a Private Message to proffEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
you don't get free speech in the US
too many rule
you can't say in the public whats really on your minds and express your thoughts about life in the US
With out being ridiculed
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Originally posted by proff:

you don't get free speech in the US
too many rule
you can't say in the public whats really on your minds and express your thoughts about life in the US
With out being ridiculed




Re-read the original post.

Free speech means you can say what you want. It does not mean people won't make fun of you for saying it.

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Report this Post04-19-2014 12:06 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BlacktreeClick Here to visit Blacktree's HomePageSend a Private Message to BlacktreeEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
The first 5 words of the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution are "Congress shall make no Law". So all the rights mentioned in the 1st Amendment (free speech, freedom of religion, etc) are protected from infringement by the federal government, and only the federal government.

People like to assume the rights in the 1st Amendment are blanket privileges. But they are not, hence the laws against libel and slander, inciting riots, hate speech, etc.

So if someone tells you to STFU because they don't want to hear what you're saying, they're not violating any of your rights. In contrast, they are practicing THEIR right to free speech, by telling you what they think of you. It's a two-way street.

[This message has been edited by Blacktree (edited 04-19-2014).]

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Originally posted by Blacktree:

The first 5 words of the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution are "Congress shall make no Law". So all the rights mentioned in the 1st Amendment (free speech, freedom of religion, etc) are protected from infringement by the federal government, and only the federal government.

People like to assume the rights in the 1st Amendment are blanket privileges. But they are not, hence the laws against libel and slander, inciting riots, hate speech, etc.

So if someone tells you to STFU because they don't want to hear what you're saying, they're not violating any of your rights. In contrast, they are practicing THEIR right to free speech, by telling you what they think of you. It's a two-way street.



STFU

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Originally posted by 84fiero123:


STFU

Steve



Is that your alma mater?

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Originally posted by proff:

you don't get free speech in the US
too many rule
you can't say in the public whats really on your minds and express your thoughts about life in the US
With out being ridiculed


You are not getting it at all. But go ahead and say what you like.

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